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Re: Louses of Parliament

Post by Guest » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:31 pm

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4895740/w ... s-tory-mp/

Tory MP accused of being a sex pest dined with one of the governments top lawyers after the police were called in. Not a good look or a good omen.

Re: Louses of Parliament

Post by Lady Murasaki » Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:02 pm

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Re: Louses of Parliament

Post by jp761 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:59 pm

Talking to yourself again, hey LM. :roll:

Re: Louses of Parliament

Post by Lady Murasaki » Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:03 am

Dude, read some books.
Learn, grow, don't be a vegetable.
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Re: Louses of Parliament

Post by jp761 » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:48 pm

Lady Murasaki wrote:
jp761 wrote:
LM wrote:Ok I've had enough of guest posting now.
See you next time jp :Hiya:
Yes... get back to being LadyM in her full glory. Cob may have another dream about you then. :pmsl:


:woteva:
Do you know what satire is?
Don't be ridiculous, what a stupid question.

Log out and be a guest again you were better as a guest.

Re: Louses of Parliament

Post by Lady Murasaki » Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:23 am

jp761 wrote:
LM wrote:Ok I've had enough of guest posting now.
See you next time jp :Hiya:
Yes... get back to being LadyM in her full glory. Cob may have another dream about you then. :pmsl:


:woteva:
Do you know what satire is?

Re: Louses of Parliament

Post by jp761 » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:25 pm

LM wrote:Ok I've had enough of guest posting now.
See you next time jp :Hiya:
Yes... get back to being LadyM in her full glory. Cob may have another dream about you then. :pmsl:

Re: Louses of Parliament

Post by LM » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:18 pm

Ok I've had enough of guest posting now.
See you next time jp :Hiya:

Re: Louses of Parliament

Post by jp761 » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:13 pm

LM wrote:
jp761 wrote:
LM wrote:
jp761 wrote:
LM wrote:The media get hold of this stuff when people feel fed up of it not being dealt with properly by the proper channels.
Or should abusers of power just be left to carry on as normal?
Have the Police been accused of not handling this kind of stuff properly? People do have that option if they want, of course.


Sometimes people just want things to change for the better without it going down the criminal charges route, they want the mindset to change without anyone being arrested. Because the criminality route is often even more of an ordeal for the victim.
People who have crossed over the criminality threshold, need to be punished though. That would obviously send out a wrong message. The Police obviously can't do much about most things, unless things are reported.

When it comes to those who push boundaries but don't actually cross over the criminal threshold, HR needs to be up to scratch. Also, like I've said in a previous thread, in my time in workplaces, if someone pushed the boundaries a tad, someone older/more experienced/in a position of authority, would usually say something to the person pushing the boundaries a tad too far. And that would be enough. Too many people must be keeping their mouths shut, these days.


Unfortunately it's not an ideal world yet, where bad people get punished for their crimes.
But there's a world of difference between 'tad bad behaviours' and criminality. We seem to be mixing up the two a 'tad.'
I'm not mixing anything up. I've said what should ideally be happening to the criminally guilty. And what should be happening to the others. Of course we don't live in an ideal world, though, that's a given and no doubt always will be.

Re: Louses of Parliament

Post by LM » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:07 pm

jp761 wrote:
LM wrote:
jp761 wrote:
LM wrote:The media get hold of this stuff when people feel fed up of it not being dealt with properly by the proper channels.
Or should abusers of power just be left to carry on as normal?
Have the Police been accused of not handling this kind of stuff properly? People do have that option if they want, of course.


Sometimes people just want things to change for the better without it going down the criminal charges route, they want the mindset to change without anyone being arrested. Because the criminality route is often even more of an ordeal for the victim.
People who have crossed over the criminality threshold, need to be punished though. That would obviously send out a wrong message. The Police obviously can't do much about most things, unless things are reported.

When it comes to those who push boundaries but don't actually cross over the criminal threshold, HR needs to be up to scratch. Also, like I've said in a previous thread, in my time in workplaces, if someone pushed the boundaries a tad, someone older/more experienced/in a position of authority, would usually say something to the person pushing the boundaries a tad too far. And that would be enough. Too many people must be keeping their mouths shut, these days.


Unfortunately it's not an ideal world yet, where bad people get punished for their crimes.
But there's a world of difference between 'tad bad behaviours' and criminality. We seem to be mixing up the two a 'tad.'

Re: Louses of Parliament

Post by jp761 » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:01 pm

LM wrote:
jp761 wrote:
LM wrote:The media get hold of this stuff when people feel fed up of it not being dealt with properly by the proper channels.
Or should abusers of power just be left to carry on as normal?
Have the Police been accused of not handling this kind of stuff properly? People do have that option if they want, of course.


Sometimes people just want things to change for the better without it going down the criminal charges route, they want the mindset to change without anyone being arrested. Because the criminality route is often even more of an ordeal for the victim.
People who have crossed over the criminality threshold, need to be punished though. That would obviously send out a strong message. The Police obviously can't do much about most things, unless things are reported.

When it comes to those who push boundaries but don't actually cross over the criminal threshold, HR needs to be up to scratch. Also, like I've said in a previous thread, in my time in workplaces, if someone pushed the boundaries a tad, someone older/more experienced/in a position of authority, would usually say something to the person pushing the boundaries a tad too far. And that would be enough. Too many people must be keeping their mouths shut, these days.

Re: Louses of Parliament

Post by LM » Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:48 pm

jp761 wrote:
LM wrote:The media get hold of this stuff when people feel fed up of it not being dealt with properly by the proper channels.
Or should abusers of power just be left to carry on as normal?
Have the Police been accused of not handling this kind of stuff properly? People do have that option if they want, of course.


Sometimes people just want things to change for the better without it going down the criminal charges route, they want the mindset to change without anyone being arrested. Because the criminality route is often even more of an ordeal for the victim.

Re: Louses of Parliament

Post by jp761 » Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:41 pm

LM wrote:The media get hold of this stuff when people feel fed up of it not being dealt with properly by the proper channels.
Or should abusers of power just be left to carry on as normal?
Have the Police been accused of not handling this kind of stuff properly? People do have that option if they want, of course.

Re: Louses of Parliament

Post by LM » Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:00 pm

The media get hold of this stuff when people feel fed up of it not being dealt with properly by the proper channels.
Or should abusers of power just be left to carry on as normal?

Re: Louses of Parliament

Post by jp761 » Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:56 pm

LM wrote:
jp761 wrote:
LM wrote:
jp761 wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:Yes, stuff like this stays in the public consciousness.
It does. But it can start to go the other way, if people aren't careful, I've already heard a lot of people saying they aren't taking much notice of it, because they feel the media over-egg the pudding.

Another thing is, some people feel certain behaviour is just someone being a tad too forward, and nothing more, we've all experienced that. Being a tad too forward on occasions and crossing the line are different things, and most adults do realise this. Exposing people is all well and good but you have to be careful, the guy who killed himself for example, did he do that because he's guilty of something criminal did he cross the threshold of criminality, or did he kill himself due to the of pressure and stress of an untruth. Who knows.


Well then we're all a bit stupid if we don't know the difference between a 'tad forward' and full on groping/harassment.
I don't think we are that stupid yet, do you?
You would hope that most people aren't. But as I said some people are starting to take not so much notice of all these allegations, because they feel the media over-egg the pudding. Do you believe every single accusation has crossed the criminal threshold, do you believe every person accused of something has crossed the line, into criminality? Have they all committed full on groping/harassment? I actually hope they haven't, because that would be shocking.


I haven't seen or investigated every allegation of crossing the line so I can't comment. But the list I did see wasn't an allegation list, more an awareness list the Tory leader had on her employees. Some consensual stuff and some inappropriate stuff, what that means is anyone's guess. We don't even know if half of that spreadsheet is true.
Indeed. Neither have I, obviously. Neither have the press, they do think they're, Judge, Jury and executioner at times though.

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