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Re: ANOTHER TYPICAL TORY BUDGET ?

Post by Viper » Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:54 pm

Cannydc wrote:And just to address the OP...

The only post-budget poll we’ve seen is YouGov for the Times.

Topline figures there were CON 39%(-1), LAB 41%(-2), LDEM 7%(nc). Fieldwork was Wednesday afternoon/evening and Thursday and changes are from the Sun-Monday before the budget.

So, normal service resumed and Tory lead from a virtually unknown polling company was a flash in the pan, perhaps ?


Normal service? Your sample is from a tiny cherry picked snapshot of a moment in time. Your statistical nous is non existent. The only normal service that could be attributed to those figures is the trend for the lib anti-dems polling fuck all for years now! Seems second ref/remoaning isnt interesting the GBP.

You not arsed about abuse of human rights in Thailand?

Re: ANOTHER TYPICAL TORY BUDGET ?

Post by Cannydc » Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:58 pm

And just to address the OP...

The only post-budget poll we’ve seen is YouGov for the Times.

Topline figures there were CON 39%(-1), LAB 41%(-2), LDEM 7%(nc). Fieldwork was Wednesday afternoon/evening and Thursday and changes are from the Sun-Monday before the budget.

So, normal service resumed and Tory lead from a virtually unknown polling company was a flash in the pan, perhaps ?

Re: ANOTHER TYPICAL TORY BUDGET ?

Post by Cannydc » Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:49 pm

"oh dear. i do wonder sometimes if you are even aware you make pointless, cherry picked, contextless arguments. Id always assumed it was deliberate but im leaning more towards your ignorance thesedays."

And I rather lean towards the possibility that, with your head firmly in the sand, you are completely incapable of comprehending the shitstorm of evidence pointing toward the utter incompetence of this lousy Tory government allied to a disastrous Brexit policy.

Never mind.

You will understand soon enough that those growth figures are both accurate and important enough to merit serious consideration.

Re: ANOTHER TYPICAL TORY BUDGET ?

Post by wutang » Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:24 pm

Viper wrote:oh dear. i do wonder sometimes if you are even aware you make pointless, cherry picked, contextless arguments. Id always assumed it was deliberate but im leaning more towards your ignorance thesedays.

https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-still-f ... gJgu_D_BwE



That article is from May.

Here is one from last month which includes Canny's figures

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 28891.html

Anyway I love how the Tories were championing 1.8% as a sign that things were good. There was a time that a growth rate this low was seen as a disaster... just shows what a shit show capitalism has become.

The Tories record so far

Failed to eradicate deficit

Lost UK's AAA rating

Slowest wage growth since 19th cent

Worst productivity in modern times

Doubled national debt

Record trade gap

Richest 1,000 doubled wealth while 1m+ using foodbanks

Re: ANOTHER TYPICAL TORY BUDGET ?

Post by Viper » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:38 am

Cannydc wrote:
Guest wrote:
Cannydc wrote:
Guest wrote:
Cannydc wrote:I think this tells us all we need to know about the legacy of Hammond, Osborne and the Bonkers Brexiteers...

Annual GDP growth.

Romania 8.80
Malta 6.40
Ireland 5.80
Latvia 5.80
Estonia 5.70
Monaco 5.40
Montenegro 5.10
Turkey 5.10
Czech Republic 5.00
Poland 4.70
Kosovo 4.60
Slovenia 4.40
Albania 4.06
Bulgaria 3.90
Cyprus 3.80
Finland 3.60
Hungary 3.60
Iceland 3.40
Slovakia 3.30
Norway 3.20
Lithuania 3.10
Spain 3.10
Sweden 3.10
Netherlands 3.00
Croatia 2.80
Germany 2.80
Denmark 2.70
Austria 2.60
Euro Area 2.50
European Union 2.50
Moldova 2.50
Portugal 2.50
France 2.20
Luxembourg 2.20
Serbia 2.10
Ukraine 2.10
Italy 1.80
Russia 1.80
Belgium 1.70
Bosnia and Herzegovina 1.70
United Kingdom 1.50
Greece 0.80


Why compare undeveloped countries growth rate with G7 countries growth rates? Are you stupid enough to think they are comparable? Ffs are you moving to Romania now because they have 8.8% growth? Plum.


It's a comparison of European countries, you tit....

As in UK - the SICK MAN OF EUROPE UNDER TORY GOVERNMENT.....

However, just for tits, a comparison of G7 growth rates.

Canada growth accelerated to 0.9% in the first quarter, putting it top of the G7 performers, leaving Britain languishing alongside Italy at the bottom of the table. Germany is in second spot at 0.6%, followed by Japan with 0.5%, France 0.4% and the US at 0.3%. The UK and Italy are then level on growth of just 0.2%.

As in UK - the SICK MAN OF THE G7 COUNTRIES UNDER TORY GOVERNMENT.....


Happy ?


Of course its a pointless comparison. As i said are you emigrating to romania so you can enjoy their 8.8% boom?

Compare like with like please you deluded remoaners.

Also check out the accuracy of growth forecasting. Read about sustainable growth....and well actually wgaf you wont bother. You re happy to wallow in delusion.


Checking out your ability to read, perhaps ??? G7 countries not comparable either ?? Need to move the goalposts again ??

:pmsl: :pmsl: :pmsl:


oh dear. i do wonder sometimes if you are even aware you make pointless, cherry picked, contextless arguments. Id always assumed it was deliberate but im leaning more towards your ignorance thesedays.

https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-still-f ... gJgu_D_BwE

Re: ANOTHER TYPICAL TORY BUDGET ?

Post by Cannydc » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:20 am

Guest wrote:
Cannydc wrote:
Guest wrote:
Cannydc wrote:I think this tells us all we need to know about the legacy of Hammond, Osborne and the Bonkers Brexiteers...

Annual GDP growth.

Romania 8.80
Malta 6.40
Ireland 5.80
Latvia 5.80
Estonia 5.70
Monaco 5.40
Montenegro 5.10
Turkey 5.10
Czech Republic 5.00
Poland 4.70
Kosovo 4.60
Slovenia 4.40
Albania 4.06
Bulgaria 3.90
Cyprus 3.80
Finland 3.60
Hungary 3.60
Iceland 3.40
Slovakia 3.30
Norway 3.20
Lithuania 3.10
Spain 3.10
Sweden 3.10
Netherlands 3.00
Croatia 2.80
Germany 2.80
Denmark 2.70
Austria 2.60
Euro Area 2.50
European Union 2.50
Moldova 2.50
Portugal 2.50
France 2.20
Luxembourg 2.20
Serbia 2.10
Ukraine 2.10
Italy 1.80
Russia 1.80
Belgium 1.70
Bosnia and Herzegovina 1.70
United Kingdom 1.50
Greece 0.80


Why compare undeveloped countries growth rate with G7 countries growth rates? Are you stupid enough to think they are comparable? Ffs are you moving to Romania now because they have 8.8% growth? Plum.


It's a comparison of European countries, you tit....

As in UK - the SICK MAN OF EUROPE UNDER TORY GOVERNMENT.....

However, just for tits, a comparison of G7 growth rates.

Canada growth accelerated to 0.9% in the first quarter, putting it top of the G7 performers, leaving Britain languishing alongside Italy at the bottom of the table. Germany is in second spot at 0.6%, followed by Japan with 0.5%, France 0.4% and the US at 0.3%. The UK and Italy are then level on growth of just 0.2%.

As in UK - the SICK MAN OF THE G7 COUNTRIES UNDER TORY GOVERNMENT.....


Happy ?


Of course its a pointless comparison. As i said are you emigrating to romania so you can enjoy their 8.8% boom?

Compare like with like please you deluded remoaners.

Also check out the accuracy of growth forecasting. Read about sustainable growth....and well actually wgaf you wont bother. You re happy to wallow in delusion.


Checking out your ability to read, perhaps ??? G7 countries not comparable either ?? Need to move the goalposts again ??

:pmsl: :pmsl: :pmsl:

Re: ANOTHER TYPICAL TORY BUDGET ?

Post by Guest » Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:58 pm

Cannydc wrote:
Guest wrote:
Cannydc wrote:I think this tells us all we need to know about the legacy of Hammond, Osborne and the Bonkers Brexiteers...

Annual GDP growth.

Romania 8.80
Malta 6.40
Ireland 5.80
Latvia 5.80
Estonia 5.70
Monaco 5.40
Montenegro 5.10
Turkey 5.10
Czech Republic 5.00
Poland 4.70
Kosovo 4.60
Slovenia 4.40
Albania 4.06
Bulgaria 3.90
Cyprus 3.80
Finland 3.60
Hungary 3.60
Iceland 3.40
Slovakia 3.30
Norway 3.20
Lithuania 3.10
Spain 3.10
Sweden 3.10
Netherlands 3.00
Croatia 2.80
Germany 2.80
Denmark 2.70
Austria 2.60
Euro Area 2.50
European Union 2.50
Moldova 2.50
Portugal 2.50
France 2.20
Luxembourg 2.20
Serbia 2.10
Ukraine 2.10
Italy 1.80
Russia 1.80
Belgium 1.70
Bosnia and Herzegovina 1.70
United Kingdom 1.50
Greece 0.80


Why compare undeveloped countries growth rate with G7 countries growth rates? Are you stupid enough to think they are comparable? Ffs are you moving to Romania now because they have 8.8% growth? Plum.


It's a comparison of European countries, you tit....

As in UK - the SICK MAN OF EUROPE UNDER TORY GOVERNMENT.....

However, just for tits, a comparison of G7 growth rates.

Canada growth accelerated to 0.9% in the first quarter, putting it top of the G7 performers, leaving Britain languishing alongside Italy at the bottom of the table. Germany is in second spot at 0.6%, followed by Japan with 0.5%, France 0.4% and the US at 0.3%. The UK and Italy are then level on growth of just 0.2%.

As in UK - the SICK MAN OF THE G7 COUNTRIES UNDER TORY GOVERNMENT.....

Happy ?


Of course its a pointless comparison. As i said are you emigrating to romania so you can enjoy their 8.8% boom?

Compare like with like please you deluded remoaners.

Also check out the accuracy of growth forecasting. Read about sustainable growth....and well actually wgaf you wont bother. You re happy to wallow in delusion.

Re: ANOTHER TYPICAL TORY BUDGET ?

Post by Cannydc » Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:30 pm

Guest wrote:
Cannydc wrote:I think this tells us all we need to know about the legacy of Hammond, Osborne and the Bonkers Brexiteers...

Annual GDP growth.

Romania 8.80
Malta 6.40
Ireland 5.80
Latvia 5.80
Estonia 5.70
Monaco 5.40
Montenegro 5.10
Turkey 5.10
Czech Republic 5.00
Poland 4.70
Kosovo 4.60
Slovenia 4.40
Albania 4.06
Bulgaria 3.90
Cyprus 3.80
Finland 3.60
Hungary 3.60
Iceland 3.40
Slovakia 3.30
Norway 3.20
Lithuania 3.10
Spain 3.10
Sweden 3.10
Netherlands 3.00
Croatia 2.80
Germany 2.80
Denmark 2.70
Austria 2.60
Euro Area 2.50
European Union 2.50
Moldova 2.50
Portugal 2.50
France 2.20
Luxembourg 2.20
Serbia 2.10
Ukraine 2.10
Italy 1.80
Russia 1.80
Belgium 1.70
Bosnia and Herzegovina 1.70
United Kingdom 1.50
Greece 0.80


Why compare undeveloped countries growth rate with G7 countries growth rates? Are you stupid enough to think they are comparable? Ffs are you moving to Romania now because they have 8.8% growth? Plum.


It's a comparison of European countries, you tit....

As in UK - the SICK MAN OF EUROPE UNDER TORY GOVERNMENT.....

However, just for tits, a comparison of G7 growth rates.

Canada growth accelerated to 0.9% in the first quarter, putting it top of the G7 performers, leaving Britain languishing alongside Italy at the bottom of the table. Germany is in second spot at 0.6%, followed by Japan with 0.5%, France 0.4% and the US at 0.3%. The UK and Italy are then level on growth of just 0.2%.

As in UK - the SICK MAN OF THE G7 COUNTRIES UNDER TORY GOVERNMENT.....

Happy ?

Re: ANOTHER TYPICAL TORY BUDGET ?

Post by Fletch » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:57 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
Cannydc wrote:Will the little man get hammered again, with diesel price rises ?

Will he blame Brexit ?

Will the self-employed get taxed properly, at last ?

Will he take on Labour policy by simplifying tax on corporations to ensure they pay their fair share ?

Will the public sector be expected to continue to pay for the banker's excesses by keeping the 1% pay cap ?

Who will the big winners be ?

Will there be another 'smoke and mirrors' announcement on house building ? Here's how the last one has gone...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 66571.html

Frankly, I'm not hopeful.

Agreed, I think it will take decades to sort out the economic disaster they inherited - if ever!
Their housing policy is woeful, a small cut on stamp duty will do nothing to the very stagnant housing market.
We all know a vibrant housing market has a positive knock on effect in associated industries - building, retail, transport etc - and I really do think they ought to abolish stamp duty for buyers and get sellers to pay it instead.
This would make it less costly for buyers and vendors selling would also not pay stamp duty on their onward purchase.
And as for the chancellor wanting a building programme? What’s the point if people simply can’t afford to buy?
At this moment there is downward pressure on prices and that could go on for a while, hence transactions have dipped dramatically. This trend looks likely to continue for sometime to come.
The chancellor clearly doesn’t understand how Vibrant housing market is good for jobs and the wider economy

Ever increasing house prices damages the economy.


But it underpins banking. Money created out of thin air at zero cost exchanged for the deeds to an actual tangible asset. That asset then used as collateral for more leverage by banks.

The measure GDP is worthless. An increase in population can, and does, give a rise in GDP as more people need products and services. Inflation can also play a part as it's generally a manipulated figure given by governments. Housing plays a part in that banking records more activity of higher worth with higher house prices. In reality, the west has stayed still or gone backwards over the decades and formulations and propaganda have been developed to show 'we've never had it so good'. It's a house of cards wobbling perilously.

Re: ANOTHER TYPICAL TORY BUDGET ?

Post by Rolluplostinspace » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:37 pm

LordRaven wrote:
Cannydc wrote:Will the little man get hammered again, with diesel price rises ?

Will he blame Brexit ?

Will the self-employed get taxed properly, at last ?

Will he take on Labour policy by simplifying tax on corporations to ensure they pay their fair share ?

Will the public sector be expected to continue to pay for the banker's excesses by keeping the 1% pay cap ?

Who will the big winners be ?

Will there be another 'smoke and mirrors' announcement on house building ? Here's how the last one has gone...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 66571.html

Frankly, I'm not hopeful.

Agreed, I think it will take decades to sort out the economic disaster they inherited - if ever!
Their housing policy is woeful, a small cut on stamp duty will do nothing to the very stagnant housing market.
We all know a vibrant housing market has a positive knock on effect in associated industries - building, retail, transport etc - and I really do think they ought to abolish stamp duty for buyers and get sellers to pay it instead.
This would make it less costly for buyers and vendors selling would also not pay stamp duty on their onward purchase.
And as for the chancellor wanting a building programme? What’s the point if people simply can’t afford to buy?
At this moment there is downward pressure on prices and that could go on for a while, hence transactions have dipped dramatically. This trend looks likely to continue for sometime to come.
The chancellor clearly doesn’t understand how Vibrant housing market is good for jobs and the wider economy

Ever increasing house prices damages the economy.

Re: ANOTHER TYPICAL TORY BUDGET ?

Post by Guest » Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:31 pm

Cannydc wrote:I think this tells us all we need to know about the legacy of Hammond, Osborne and the Bonkers Brexiteers...

Annual GDP growth.

Romania 8.80
Malta 6.40
Ireland 5.80
Latvia 5.80
Estonia 5.70
Monaco 5.40
Montenegro 5.10
Turkey 5.10
Czech Republic 5.00
Poland 4.70
Kosovo 4.60
Slovenia 4.40
Albania 4.06
Bulgaria 3.90
Cyprus 3.80
Finland 3.60
Hungary 3.60
Iceland 3.40
Slovakia 3.30
Norway 3.20
Lithuania 3.10
Spain 3.10
Sweden 3.10
Netherlands 3.00
Croatia 2.80
Germany 2.80
Denmark 2.70
Austria 2.60
Euro Area 2.50
European Union 2.50
Moldova 2.50
Portugal 2.50
France 2.20
Luxembourg 2.20
Serbia 2.10
Ukraine 2.10
Italy 1.80
Russia 1.80
Belgium 1.70
Bosnia and Herzegovina 1.70
United Kingdom 1.50
Greece 0.80


Why compare undeveloped countries growth rate with G7 countries growth rates? Are you stupid enough to think they are comparable? Ffs are you moving to Romania now because they have 8.8% growth? Plum.

Re: ANOTHER TYPICAL TORY BUDGET ?

Post by Cannydc » Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:14 pm

A 'vibrant' housing market actually horribly skews the economy.

It places larger and larger sums of imaginary money into people's pockets - imaginary because if they sell, most still need to buy again (or rent) to keep a roof over their heads. Nevertheless, huge numbers have borrowed against this perceived equity meaning that household debts are running at an all-time high.

This is an apocalypse waiting to happen should there be a price crash - and there will. It has happened before, twice in recent decades, and will again.

Simply pushing up house prices, as the Stamp Duty cut will, only benefits the following. Landlords. That's it. While making getting on the housing ladder even harder for the rest.

Oh, for a completely flat housing market, allowing wages to slowly catch up. And I speak as a mortgage free house owner.

Re: ANOTHER TYPICAL TORY BUDGET ?

Post by LordRaven » Sun Nov 26, 2017 12:28 pm

Cannydc wrote:Will the little man get hammered again, with diesel price rises ?

Will he blame Brexit ?

Will the self-employed get taxed properly, at last ?

Will he take on Labour policy by simplifying tax on corporations to ensure they pay their fair share ?

Will the public sector be expected to continue to pay for the banker's excesses by keeping the 1% pay cap ?

Who will the big winners be ?

Will there be another 'smoke and mirrors' announcement on house building ? Here's how the last one has gone...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 66571.html

Frankly, I'm not hopeful.

Agreed, I think it will take decades to sort out the economic disaster they inherited - if ever!
Their housing policy is woeful, a small cut on stamp duty will do nothing to the very stagnant housing market.
We all know a vibrant housing market has a positive knock on effect in associated industries - building, retail, transport etc - and I really do think they ought to abolish stamp duty for buyers and get sellers to pay it instead.
This would make it less costly for buyers and vendors selling would also not pay stamp duty on their onward purchase.
And as for the chancellor wanting a building programme? What’s the point if people simply can’t afford to buy?
At this moment there is downward pressure on prices and that could go on for a while, hence transactions have dipped dramatically. This trend looks likely to continue for sometime to come.
The chancellor clearly doesn’t understand how Vibrant housing market is good for jobs and the wider economy

Re: ANOTHER TYPICAL TORY BUDGET ?

Post by Rolluplostinspace » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:11 am

Cashless society in Britain imminent.
Britain will probably be the first to go for it.
Interest rate will be - 0.5% yes that's minus.
Every account with over a hundred thousand pounds will be slapped with an annual charge of that minus percentage very soon.
It will soon rise to minus 1%. and payments taken more often ... you'll be doing your patriotic duty to get the nation out of its nearly two trillion pounds in debt which is simply unpayable.
You won't be able to draw your money out because there will be no in hand money.
Do a little research of your own folks but we are on the cusp of financial martial law and it won't of course be called that.
The welthiest have screwed the nation and indeed the world.
Capitalism has failed.
There's nothing you can do about your money.
I know I know I'm crazy.......

THE WAR ON CASH ....is a good starting place.

Re: ANOTHER TYPICAL TORY BUDGET ?

Post by Cannydc » Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:54 pm

Britain’s leading financial thinktank has warned workers to expect an unprecedented two lost decades of earnings growth and many more years of austerity as a result of the marked slowdown in the economy announced in Philip Hammond’s budget.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies said in its traditional post-budget analysis that forecasts slashing productivity, earnings and growth in every year until 2022 made “pretty grim reading”, and predicted that even by the middle of the next decade, Britain’s public finances would still be in the red.

So there you have it.

Austerity in a nutshell.

It, along with tax avoidance and the calamity of Brexit just typifies the disaster that is this Tory government.

We need an election and quick.

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