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Re: Equal Pay

Post by Mekon » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:42 pm

Grafenwalder wrote:
Mekon wrote:Workers must use whatever means and arguments they have at their disposal to improve their pay and conditions. Shop work can be as hard on the body and mind as factory or warehouse work. Every workers' battle is between the have-too-little and the have-too-much. Only fools and cowards support the latter.

We are talking a max of £3 per hr between the two so hardly in the realms of 'have-too-much'. Only a fool would expect to receive the same pay rates imo otherwise the warehouse workers may just as well make a rush for the comfy chairs at the checkouts. The heaviest load i've ever seen any store staff 'maul' was a few bags of vegetables on a pallet truck. What next, checkout operators demanding same pay rate as Supervisors? Then what? Supervisors demanding same pay rate as the store managers?


The have-too-much refers to the owners. Only fools and cowards side with owners against their own class.

Re: Equal Pay

Post by Grafenwalder » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:39 pm

Mekon wrote:Workers must use whatever means and arguments they have at their disposal to improve their pay and conditions. Shop work can be as hard on the body and mind as factory or warehouse work. Every workers' battle is between the have-too-little and the have-too-much. Only fools and cowards support the latter.

We are talking a max of £3 per hr between the two so hardly in the realms of 'have-too-much'. Only a fool would expect to receive the same pay rates imo otherwise the warehouse workers may just as well make a rush for the comfy chairs at the checkouts. The heaviest load i've ever seen any store staff 'maul' was a few bags of vegetables on a pallet truck. What next, checkout operators demanding same pay rate as Supervisors? Then what? Supervisors demanding same pay rate as the store managers?

Re: Equal Pay

Post by Mekon » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:32 pm

Workers must use whatever means and arguments they have at their disposal to improve their pay and conditions. Shop work can be as hard on the body and mind as factory or warehouse work. Every workers' battle is between the have-too-little and the have-too-much. Only fools and cowards support the latter.

Re: Equal Pay

Post by Grafenwalder » Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:36 pm

Red Okktober wrote:
Grafenwalder wrote:Then why don't supermarket staff apply for that work instead of whining about the warehouse workers earning a higher rate?

It's a totally different job to work in a shop compared to a warehouse - you may as well ask why doesn't a hairdresser become a firefighter and earn better wages.

I've no idea why shop workers are 'whining' about their wages - maybe they think warehouse staff are usually at the bottom of the food chain in most organisations, and are pissed off they earn less than they do?

I entirely agree with the bib, but Tesco/Asda store staff don't and believe it's of 'equal value' arguing their jobs in the stores are just as demanding as warehouse jobs. I've never worked in either environment but imagine warehouse work to be more physically demanding than that of store staff, not to mention stores being a more pleasant environment. Though the warehouse are said to be predominantly male staffed, the fact that some women actually work in the distribution centres blows the store workers gripe apart imo. If they want to earn more, then they can apply to work in the warehouse centres.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42968342

Re: Equal Pay

Post by Red Okktober » Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:00 am

Grafenwalder wrote:Then why don't supermarket staff apply for that work instead of whining about the warehouse workers earning a higher rate?

It's a totally different job to work in a shop compared to a warehouse - you may as well ask why doesn't a hairdresser become a firefighter and earn better wages.

I've no idea why shop workers are 'whining' about their wages - maybe they think warehouse staff are usually at the bottom of the food chain in most organisations, and are pissed off they earn less than they do?

Re: Equal Pay

Post by Raggamuffin » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:58 am

I don't understand this at all. The people are the warehouse are doing a completely different job to the ones at the supermarket, whether they're male or female.

Re: Equal Pay

Post by calitom » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:11 am

Tesco should pay their employees whatever the hell they want to pay them .people dont have to take the bloody job. If women are doing the equal job to men they should be paid the same(factoring in experience etc.)
I am sure stooo doesnt pay everyone equally in his pub.

Re: Equal Pay

Post by calitom » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:11 am

Tesco should pay their employees whatever the hell they want to pay them .people dont have to take the bloody job. If women are doing the equal job to men they should be paid the same(factoring in experience etc.)
I am sure stooo doesnt pay everyone equally in his pub.

Re: Equal Pay

Post by Grafenwalder » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:32 am

Red Okktober wrote:
Snookerballs wrote:Tesco Equal pay for Warehouse Staff and shop Staff ?

Warehouse staff have to take a course and pass an exam to operate Fork lift Trucks, do shop staff need an exam to push a trolley ??

You are over-egging 'taking a course' and 'passing an exam' - you'd have to be a fucking imbecile not be able to drive a forklift truck at 4mph and press a button to lift up a pallet.

Then why don't supermarket staff apply for that work instead of whining about the warehouse workers earning a higher rate?

Re: Equal Pay

Post by Red Okktober » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:21 pm

Snookerballs wrote:Tesco Equal pay for Warehouse Staff and shop Staff ?

Warehouse staff have to take a course and pass an exam to operate Fork lift Trucks, do shop staff need an exam to push a trolley ??

You are over-egging 'taking a course' and 'passing an exam' - you'd have to be a fucking imbecile not be able to drive a forklift truck at 4mph and press a button to lift up a pallet.

Re: Equal Pay

Post by Grafenwalder » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:51 pm

Lionel Jesse wrote:I remember when I worked at Argos, that if you had the chance, you worked on the front because it was about as easy a job as you could possibly do. I would imagine its a similar story at Tescos, where the hardest thing perma floor staff have to do is answer a question when somebody cant find something.

I would also imagine, like in abattoirs, people who work in the colder temps, get paid a little more.

What Tesco should do is enforce than female staff must also work in the warehouse to obtain the same pay. You will soon see this case fizzle away.

I could understand their whinge better if females applying for warehouse work were being constantly turned down for some reason but that's obviously not the case as there are a number of female staff working in them already. If they succeed with this case then warehouse workers may as well apply to sit at supermarket checkouts where it's much cleaner and lighter work.

Re: Equal Pay

Post by Lionel Jesse » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:26 pm

Guest wrote:Women are taking the action on the following prinicpal; an employer cannot pay less for work of equal value if you have a protected characteristic. If they are able to prove to work is of equal value to the company then they will win the case and be compensated. The men who have the same job as the women who (if successful) have proved their work is of equal value will then also get compensated as otherwise they will have been discriminated against.

So its sort of a two step process, imo cynically using equal pay legislation, but interesting to watch. Of course it will just just increase the rate of automation as the amounts being talked about (£4bn :yikes: )will drive any company to get rid of as many people as possible- men and women.


It would put Tesco at risk and therefore its half a million strong workforce...

I will be shocked if this goes anywhere really. As I said, Tesco should offer the pay increase on the condition that they also do the warehouse work, which would also include helping load and unload home delivery trucks, in winter, at minus 5.... This is how all cases like this should be dealt with. Offer the increase and increase the work load and risks. Simple.

Re: Equal Pay

Post by Lionel Jesse » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:22 pm

I remember when I worked at Argos, that if you had the chance, you worked on the front because it was about as easy a job as you could possibly do. I would imagine its a similar story at Tescos, where the hardest thing perma floor staff have to do is answer a question when somebody cant find something.

I would also imagine, like in abattoirs, people who work in the colder temps, get paid a little more.

What Tesco should do is enforce than female staff must also work in the warehouse to obtain the same pay. You will soon see this case fizzle away.

Re: Equal Pay

Post by Guest » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:12 pm

Women are taking the action on the following prinicpal; an employer cannot pay less for work of equal value if you have a protected characteristic. If they are able to prove to work is of equal value to the company then they will win the case and be compensated. The men who have the same job as the women who (if successful) have proved their work is of equal value will then also get compensated as otherwise they will have been discriminated against.

So its sort of a two step process, imo cynically using equal pay legislation, but interesting to watch. Of course it will just just increase the rate of automation as the amounts being talked about (£4bn :yikes: )will drive any company to get rid of as many people as possible- men and women.

Re: Equal Pay

Post by Stooo » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:36 pm

Grafenwalder wrote:
Stooo wrote:I agree with you but isn't it the case that warehouse staff also work within the store at quiet periods between deliveries at this higher rate? I think that labelling this as a gender issue is legally on ripply water considering the mix of genders at the front of shop.

I don't know about the bib Stoo but as an example Sainsbury's warehouse for my locality is miles from their nearest supermarket. No idea where the others are but if that's anything to go by, they'd be expecting their workers to travel miles from their normal commute. Yes i don't understand why the women workers appear to be pushing it as such as everyone knows men also work in supermarket stores doing the identical work. When it comes to the distribution centres they don't seem so keen to mention women work there to though!


I deliver to a major supermarket distribution depot and it's a pretty evenly mixed gender pool. In another life I employed people as general assistants which stopped a lot of crap like this.

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