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Jay Jay wrote:

MungoBrush wrote:

Taber wrote:

Stooo wrote:

Taber wrote:As I said earlier in this thread, polls in this country can't be trusted and are no substitution for election results.

I know what you are getting at Stoo but if exit polls and polls in general were so accurate why bother with allowing voting from the electorate?

My suggestion:

When people get put on the electoral roll they register to vote for the party of their choice
They are free to change that vote any time they like
When an election is announced, they can review and change their vote if they want to any time up to the cutoff time
Then, on election day, just have a quick scan of the votes to get an instant result

Bingo!

And if folks want interim opinion polls, they can take random samples as often as they like and using whatever methodology they like (with appropriate safeguards of people's indentities of course)

So a not so secret ballot.

MungoBrush wrote:

Taber wrote:

Stooo wrote:

Taber wrote:As I said earlier in this thread, polls in this country can't be trusted and are no substitution for election results.

I know what you are getting at Stoo but if exit polls and polls in general were so accurate why bother with allowing voting from the electorate?

My suggestion:

When people get put on the electoral roll they register to vote for the party of their choice
They are free to change that vote any time they like
When an election is announced, they can review and change their vote if they want to any time up to the cutoff time
Then, on election day, just have a quick scan of the votes to get an instant result

Bingo!

And if folks want interim opinion polls, they can take random samples as often as they like and using whatever methodology they like (with appropriate safeguards of people's indentities of course)

Taber wrote:

Stooo wrote:

Taber wrote:As I said earlier in this thread, polls in this country can't be trusted and are no substitution for election results.

I know what you are getting at Stoo but if exit polls and polls in general were so accurate why bother with allowing voting from the electorate?

Stooo wrote:

Taber wrote:As I said earlier in this thread, polls in this country can't be trusted and are no substitution for election results.

All the polling companies are run by Tories with a vested interest in the outcomes. See here:

https://www.facebook.com/MomentumNortha ... 8180948195

Survation are no more trustworthy than the rest. In 2015 they predicted a Labour win but after the General Election claimed that their polls had actually shown a Conservative win but they didn't want to publicise it. Of course they would say that wouldn't they? Add in their poll for The Sun that falsely claimed that 1 in 5 Muslims sympathised with jihadi fighters and you get a company with an agenda to appease their paymasters - the right wing, largely foreign owned media.

Peter Hitchens, who I regard as a right wing libertarian, has probably the polar opposite of my views politically but I do find his stuff sometimes worth reading. He once wrote:

‘Opinion polls are a device for influencing public opinion, not a device for measuring it. Crack that, and it all makes sense.’

The trouble is the likes of CannyDC just pick out the bits which suit their own political beliefs. Fine, he has similar political convictions to me but he's just aping the antics of Roc, Viper and Mungo by cherrypicking.

Ignore opinion polls. They're all bollocks.

Exit polls are a bastard.

Love the Custard Avvie btw

Taber wrote:...why bother going to the expense of allowing the plebs to vote

Cannydc wrote:

Taber wrote:As I said earlier in this thread, polls in this country can't be trusted and are no substitution for election results.

All the polling companies are run by Tories with a vested interest in the outcomes. See here:

https://www.facebook.com/MomentumNortha ... 8180948195

Survation are no more trustworthy than the rest. In 2015 they predicted a Labour win but after the General Election claimed that their polls had actually shown a Conservative win but they didn't want to publicise it. Of course they would say that wouldn't they? Add in their poll for The Sun that falsely claimed that 1 in 5 Muslims sympathised with jihadi fighters and you get a company with an agenda to appease their paymasters - the right wing, largely foreign owned media.

Peter Hitchens, who I regard as a right wing libertarian, has probably the polar opposite of my views politically but I do find his stuff sometimes worth reading. He once wrote:

‘Opinion polls are a device for influencing public opinion, not a device for measuring it. Crack that, and it all makes sense.’

The trouble is the likes of CannyDC just pick out the bits which suit their own political beliefs. Fine, he has similar political convictions to me but he's just aping the antics of Roc, Viper and Mungo by cherrypicking.

Ignore opinion polls. They're all bollocks.

You couldn't be further from the truth, regarding opinion polls.

There are certain ones which can be trusted to reflect reality - however they tend to be PRIVATE polls not commissioned by a vested interest through a company paid well to engineer a result, using the best methods and a sample statistically almost certain to produce a result with a narrow range of error.

Thus when a political party does its own private polling the results are regularly different to the major polling orgs - and much more accurate.

Taber wrote:As I said earlier in this thread, polls in this country can't be trusted and are no substitution for election results.

All the polling companies are run by Tories with a vested interest in the outcomes. See here:

https://www.facebook.com/MomentumNortha ... 8180948195

Survation are no more trustworthy than the rest. In 2015 they predicted a Labour win but after the General Election claimed that their polls had actually shown a Conservative win but they didn't want to publicise it. Of course they would say that wouldn't they? Add in their poll for The Sun that falsely claimed that 1 in 5 Muslims sympathised with jihadi fighters and you get a company with an agenda to appease their paymasters - the right wing, largely foreign owned media.

Peter Hitchens, who I regard as a right wing libertarian, has probably the polar opposite of my views politically but I do find his stuff sometimes worth reading. He once wrote:

‘Opinion polls are a device for influencing public opinion, not a device for measuring it. Crack that, and it all makes sense.’

The trouble is the likes of CannyDC just pick out the bits which suit their own political beliefs. Fine, he has similar political convictions to me but he's just aping the antics of Roc, Viper and Mungo by cherrypicking.

Ignore opinion polls. They're all bollocks.

Taber wrote:As I said earlier in this thread, polls in this country can't be trusted and are no substitution for election results.

All the polling companies are run by Tories with a vested interest in the outcomes. See here:

https://www.facebook.com/MomentumNortha ... 8180948195

Survation are no more trustworthy than the rest. In 2015 they predicted a Labour win but after the General Election claimed that their polls had actually shown a Conservative win but they didn't want to publicise it. Of course they would say that wouldn't they? Add in their poll for The Sun that falsely claimed that 1 in 5 Muslims sympathised with jihadi fighters and you get a company with an agenda to appease their paymasters - the right wing, largely foreign owned media.

Peter Hitchens, who I regard as a right wing libertarian, has probably the polar opposite of my views politically but I do find his stuff sometimes worth reading. He once wrote:

‘Opinion polls are a device for influencing public opinion, not a device for measuring it. Crack that, and it all makes sense.’

The trouble is the likes of CannyDC just pick out the bits which suit their own political beliefs. Fine, he has similar political convictions to me but he's just aping the antics of Roc, Viper and Mungo by cherrypicking.

Ignore opinion polls. They're all bollocks.

MungoBrush wrote:

Gigabit wrote:

MungoBrush wrote:

Gigabit wrote:Polls are still within the MOE. We just don't know what will happen.

Ho ho ho!

Great, so how am I wrong?

Find Jol44 and invite him to this forum.
Then we can have a discussion.

Gigabit wrote:

MungoBrush wrote:

Gigabit wrote:Polls are still within the MOE. We just don't know what will happen.

Ho ho ho!

Great, so how am I wrong?