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Guest wrote:Axtol wrote


Alright. I work in a particularly busy shop, and the reason I face similar to you guys is that the great british public can be somewhat difficult when being served. I’ve been shouted at, spat at, been assaulted, had to eject people. I also find myself in a similar situation to what Somner said re extra work. True there’s no legal requirement, and I’m fortunate enough to have got a fixed hours contract so cant get sacked for refusing to work extra, but we get certain times when we are so stretcher we NEED people to do extra otherwise the place just wouldnt manage to stay open.

Btw the reason I defend police when I think they are in the right is because I think its important that you realize for every one unreasonable armchair critic out there, there’s lots of us who strongly support you and appreciate the work you do. I think you should be criticized when you are in the wrong and as you know I never shy away from giving that criticism but its also important to acknowledge when the police have done well.

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Guest wrote:Face it, you're a tedious little moaner who goes off criticising the police because that's what you do. And what about this reading police forums? Sounds a bit obsessive and a way to feed your anti police agenda.

I don't have an anti police agenda. I do criticize them sometimes, but I also defend them when I think they are in the right. I don't see any problem with giving valid and informed criticism when I think they are in the wrong. And it bugs me how they often seem completely willing to listen to criticism from their colleagues, but when we members of the public do it suddenly it's "anti police" and "you wouldn't understand the job". As for police forums, there are one or two I look at from time to time to just get an insight into their perspective and how they view things. Coppers constantly moan that we don't listen to them and we don't see things from their point of view, so sometimes I like to make an effort to listen to them and see it from their point of view. But somehow that's been twisted into yet another reason to call me "anti police".

Guest wrote:Face it, you're a tedious little moaner who goes off criticising the police because that's what you do. And what about this reading police forums? Sounds a bit obsessive and a way to feed your anti police agenda.

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Guest wrote:You come across here and on ds as a self-righteous cunt with an agenda

Ok what's this "agenda" then? Because I've posted things which are both critical of the police in some cases, and supportive/defending the police in others. I'm struggling to see how I can have an "anti police agenda" when I've sometimes supported them and defended them. There was even one thread quite a while ago where it was literally me, Deep Purple, and Monkey Moo in agreement the police were right, versus almost everyone else who thought they were wrong. Some "anti police agenda" there eh....

Guest wrote:No wonder those coppers you thought were your friends - snigger - have stepped back from you. Irritating little turd.

Yep I did think of them as friends. They'd always stop for a quick chat when they could, always friendly, engaging with the community. Then one day during our frequent chats there was some video in the news about an arrest, and I said something like "Hmm...don't think I can really see what justification he had for that amount of force" and immediately they got kind of arsey, saying that it's very different when you're in that situation and your heart is racing and adrenaline going and you just have a split second to think what to do. I bet they wouldn't have given the same condescending lecture to a fellow officer, but for some reason they assumed I wouldn't know? I just chalked it up to them having a tough day and assumed we'd put it behind us, but nope, next time I saw them completely blanked. And at best, it was just a curt nod from then on, if that. I think it's pretty sad that they are so unwilling to listen to informed criticism that they completely blank someone they've known and chatted to happily in the past. I think it's very immature, as it's basically responding to criticism by sticking your fingers in your ears and going la la I can't hear you. If they'd had the time, why not have a proper debate about it, like they would if a fellow copper said the same thing I did. Or just a "Nah mate, we aren't gonna agree on that" and we could have all moved on.

Guest wrote:You come across here and on ds as a self-righteous cunt with an agenda

Guest wrote:No wonder those coppers you thought were your friends - snigger - have stepped back from you. Irritating little turd.

calitom wrote:The UK starting to remind me of the movie MIDNIGHT EXPRESS. Except instead of hashish its unpolitically correct speech.

calitom wrote:The UK starting to remind me of the movie MIDNIGHT EXPRESS. Except instead of hashish its unpolitically correct speech.

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calitom wrote:The UK starting to remind me of the movie MIDNIGHT EXPRESS. Except instead of hashish its unpolitically correct speech.

What rubbish.

That's like saying we think your police forces are all like Police Academy.

I asked you a question on your Italy thread but you blanked it.

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Guest wrote:Axtol isn't having a very good time on his or her ds thread about this.

Comes across as a paranoid conspiracy theorist with fuck all back up and no credibility.

Also mentions complaining to the police. I wonder how many times. Perhaps he or she will enlighten us.

Happy to. In my experience, whenever you criticize the police you get called "anti police" or they accuse you of having an "agenda". It's like they think that they are above criticism from the public (although curiously they are happy to listen to criticism from fellow officers) so if anyone criticizes, it must be because of an agenda rather than a legitimate criticism. It's stifling public-police relations because people are being made to feel like we aren't allowed to criticize the police, or that if we are critical of one specific case, we are critical of the police as a whole. I don't see why members of the public shouldn't be allowed to give their informed criticism when coppers are happy to take criticism from colleagues.

You haven't answered the question, you've just gone straight into a moan.

Try again - how many times have you complained to the police?

I’ve never made an official complaint about them or anything like that. What I refer to is how I got on well with some of the local coppers, chatted, always a friendly smile, they’d stop for a wee gab in your shop when they were in buying their lunch. Then I criticized something, a case in the news where I felt the officer used excessive force. I said this and all of a sudden the attitude changed. Those coppers still came into my shop, but there was no friendly chat anymore.Strictly business, grab their food, pay, and go. Whenever we saw each other in the street, what used to be a cheerful hello and stop for a brief chat when they had time now turned into a curt nod at absolute max. It was as though they felt I was no longer deserving of their friendship for giving valid and informed criticism on a subject I am more than qualified to comment on.

calitom wrote:The UK starting to remind me of the movie MIDNIGHT EXPRESS. Except instead of hashish its unpolitically correct speech.

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Guest wrote:Axtol isn't having a very good time on his or her ds thread about this.

Comes across as a paranoid conspiracy theorist with fuck all back up and no credibility.

Also mentions complaining to the police. I wonder how many times. Perhaps he or she will enlighten us.

Happy to. In my experience, whenever you criticize the police you get called "anti police" or they accuse you of having an "agenda". It's like they think that they are above criticism from the public (although curiously they are happy to listen to criticism from fellow officers) so if anyone criticizes, it must be because of an agenda rather than a legitimate criticism. It's stifling public-police relations because people are being made to feel like we aren't allowed to criticize the police, or that if we are critical of one specific case, we are critical of the police as a whole. I don't see why members of the public shouldn't be allowed to give their informed criticism when coppers are happy to take criticism from colleagues.

You haven't answered the question, you've just gone straight into a moan.

Try again - how many times have you complained to the police?

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Guest wrote:Axtol isn't having a very good time on his or her ds thread about this.

Comes across as a paranoid conspiracy theorist with fuck all back up and no credibility.

Also mentions complaining to the police. I wonder how many times. Perhaps he or she will enlighten us.

Happy to. In my experience, whenever you criticize the police you get called "anti police" or they accuse you of having an "agenda". It's like they think that they are above criticism from the public (although curiously they are happy to listen to criticism from fellow officers) so if anyone criticizes, it must be because of an agenda rather than a legitimate criticism. It's stifling public-police relations because people are being made to feel like we aren't allowed to criticize the police, or that if we are critical of one specific case, we are critical of the police as a whole. I don't see why members of the public shouldn't be allowed to give their informed criticism when coppers are happy to take criticism from colleagues.

Guest wrote:Axtol isn't having a very good time on his or her ds thread about this.

Comes across as a paranoid conspiracy theorist with fuck all back up and no credibility.

Also mentions complaining to the police. I wonder how many times. Perhaps he or she will enlighten us.