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Re: Ben Stokes Trial

Post by LordRaven » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:06 pm

Cannydc wrote:And I was wondering why we hadn't heard evidence from 2 key witnesses...

"Kai Barry and William O’Connor, the couple Ben Stokes said he had been defending in a fight outside a Bristol nightclub, may have been at the heart of the trial , but they were visibly absent from the witness box and no statements were read from them.

Jurors were not told why the men were not called, with the judge, Peter Blair QC, saying only that it would be wrong for them to speculate about any witnesses the prosecution or defence did not call.

A spokeswoman for the Crown Prosecution Service said: “The evidence of Mr O’Connor and Mr Barry was disclosed to the defence but it was not deemed necessary to call them as witnesses in the case.

The main thrust of Stokes’ defence was that he was protecting the couple from homophobic abuse."

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/ ... face-trial


Ours is not to reason why

Re: Ben Stokes Trial

Post by Cannydc » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:02 pm

And I was wondering why we hadn't heard evidence from 2 key witnesses...

"Kai Barry and William O’Connor, the couple Ben Stokes said he had been defending in a fight outside a Bristol nightclub, may have been at the heart of the trial , but they were visibly absent from the witness box and no statements were read from them.

Jurors were not told why the men were not called, with the judge, Peter Blair QC, saying only that it would be wrong for them to speculate about any witnesses the prosecution or defence did not call.

A spokeswoman for the Crown Prosecution Service said: “The evidence of Mr O’Connor and Mr Barry was disclosed to the defence but it was not deemed necessary to call them as witnesses in the case.

The main thrust of Stokes’ defence was that he was protecting the couple from homophobic abuse."

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/ ... face-trial

Re: Ben Stokes Trial

Post by LordRaven » Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:59 pm

Cannydc wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
Keyser wrote:Not guilty.

Full stop.


That is the verdict of those who clearly heard all evidence first hand. Which is good news for Stokes but he must now face the cricket board


They won't overrule a court verdict, clearly, but there might be a minor charge along the lines of bringing the game into disrepute.


As a man found innocent they cannot be too harsh with him

Re: Ben Stokes Trial

Post by Cannydc » Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:56 pm

LordRaven wrote:
Keyser wrote:Not guilty.

Full stop.


That is the verdict of those who clearly heard all evidence first hand. Which is good news for Stokes but he must now face the cricket board


They won't overrule a court verdict, clearly, but there might be a minor charge along the lines of bringing the game into disrepute.

Re: Ben Stokes Trial

Post by LordRaven » Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:36 pm

Keyser wrote:Not guilty.

Full stop.


That is the verdict of those who clearly heard all evidence first hand. Which is good news for Stokes but he must now face the cricket board

Re: Ben Stokes Trial

Post by Keyser » Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:32 pm

Not guilty.

Full stop.

Re: Ben Stokes Trial

Post by Cannydc » Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:10 pm

Or not...........

The England cricketer Ben Stokes has been cleared of affray after a fight outside a Bristol nightclub.

Following almost two and a half hours of deliberation, a jury of six men and six women at Bristol crown court acquitted the Durham all-rounder after he gave evidence saying he had acted in self-defence.

Stokes was on trial alongside Ryan Ali, 28, whom he was alleged to have punched unconscious in the brawl near Mbargo nightclub in the early hours of 25 September last year. Ali was cleared of the same charge.

A third man, Ryan Hale, 27, was acquitted of the charge last Thursday on the directions of the judge, Peter Blair QC.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... -cricketer

Re: Ben Stokes Trial

Post by LordRaven » Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:31 pm

Guest wrote:England cricketer Ben Stokes mocked two gay men, “mimicking their voices and mannerisms in a derogatory manner”, before fighting with two other men after a night out in Bristol, a court has heard.

Footage was shown that the prosecution said depicted Stokes mocking Kai Barry and William O’Connor, described as a “flamboyant, extrovert and openly gay young couple” before flicking the stub of a lit cigarette towards the head of O’Connor. Stokes, widely considered one of the best all-round cricketers in the world, also abused a doorman in a foul-mouthed tirade after being refused entry into a club, a jury was told.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... jury-hears

Sounds like a right c**t then.


It is beginning to look that way

Re: Ben Stokes Trial

Post by Guest » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:49 pm

England cricketer Ben Stokes mocked two gay men, “mimicking their voices and mannerisms in a derogatory manner”, before fighting with two other men after a night out in Bristol, a court has heard.

Footage was shown that the prosecution said depicted Stokes mocking Kai Barry and William O’Connor, described as a “flamboyant, extrovert and openly gay young couple” before flicking the stub of a lit cigarette towards the head of O’Connor. Stokes, widely considered one of the best all-round cricketers in the world, also abused a doorman in a foul-mouthed tirade after being refused entry into a club, a jury was told.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... jury-hears

Sounds like a right cunt then.

Re: Ben Stokes Trial

Post by LordRaven » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:38 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:So who were the gay guys, and who was mocking them?


It is all a bit of a muddle, as per all drunken bar brawls I have witnessed. They seem to start for nothing/perceived slights, people taking the piss out of one another and then commencing shoving.

The doorman said Stokes took the piss out of 2 gay guys and mimicked their speech and actions and 2 other guys became involved and he allegedly knocked them both out.


We will have to wait and see


I thought Stokes said that the guys were mocking his gay friends. Oh well, I really can't follow this story.


Two gay guys he only met just before the fight started and apparently who he himself was abusing? Yes it is a muddle

Re: Ben Stokes Trial

Post by LordRaven » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:37 pm

Cannydc wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
Cannydc wrote:Surprised Stokes didn't break a few bones in his right hand.


My thoughts too, for a cricketer as well?

I think he's on a sticky wicket judging by the evidence so far


He does. It's strange though, because I remember him being reported as a 'hero' in the papers, with the two gay guys saying he stuck up for them !!

More to come, for sure.


It seems the press cannot be trusted and we should always wait until the trial to hear the evidence from those who were physically present, and I say this because I read the same in the papers a while back.

He is looking far more the aggressor now the court case is producing actual evidence.

Re: Ben Stokes Trial

Post by Raggamuffin » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:36 pm

LordRaven wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:So who were the gay guys, and who was mocking them?


It is all a bit of a muddle, as per all drunken bar brawls I have witnessed. They seem to start for nothing/perceived slights, people taking the piss out of one another and then commencing shoving.

The doorman said Stokes took the piss out of 2 gay guys and mimicked their speech and actions and 2 other guys became involved and he allegedly knocked them both out.


We will have to wait and see


I thought Stokes said that the guys were mocking his gay friends. Oh well, I really can't follow this story.

Re: Ben Stokes Trial

Post by Cannydc » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:33 pm

LordRaven wrote:
Cannydc wrote:Surprised Stokes didn't break a few bones in his right hand.


My thoughts too, for a cricketer as well?

I think he's on a sticky wicket judging by the evidence so far


He does. It's strange though, because I remember him being reported as a 'hero' in the papers, with the two gay guys saying he stuck up for them !!

More to come, for sure.

Re: Ben Stokes Trial

Post by LordRaven » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:26 pm

Cannydc wrote:Surprised Stokes didn't break a few bones in his right hand.


My thoughts too, for a cricketer as well?

I think he's on a sticky wicket judging by the evidence so far

Re: Ben Stokes Trial

Post by LordRaven » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:25 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:So who were the gay guys, and who was mocking them?


It is all a bit of a muddle, as per all drunken bar brawls I have witnessed. They seem to start for nothing/perceived slights, people taking the piss out of one another and then commencing shoving.

The doorman said Stokes took the piss out of 2 gay guys and mimicked their speech and actions and 2 other guys became involved and he allegedly knocked them both out.


We will have to wait and see

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