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Re: Most now back reunification of Ireland

Post by LordRaven » Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:27 pm

Cannydc wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
Cannydc wrote:The real sadness is how the remaining bitterness is so entrenched in their politics.


It is entrenched in their very being, when a child goes to the Blessed Oliver Plunkett school and another goes to a Prod school down the road they are being taught two very different versions of history.
But the fact is they arrive at the school gates on their very first day at school fully indoctrinated and brainwashed by their parents.
So how will that be stopped?


My answer is via integration into a single, all-Ireland education system. And they will eventually become parents.


I wish it were that simple, they'd hate their kids to mix the way things are now. And yet Queens Uni turns out some excellent people from both faiths --so I am guessing the bright ones overcome social constraints.

Re: Most now back reunification of Ireland

Post by Cannydc » Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:16 pm

LordRaven wrote:
Cannydc wrote:The real sadness is how the remaining bitterness is so entrenched in their politics.


It is entrenched in their very being, when a child goes to the Blessed Oliver Plunkett school and another goes to a Prod school down the road they are being taught two very different versions of history.
But the fact is they arrive at the school gates on their very first day at school fully indoctrinated and brainwashed by their parents.
So how will that be stopped?


My answer is via integration into a single, all-Ireland education system. And they will eventually become parents.

Re: Most now back reunification of Ireland

Post by LordRaven » Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:02 pm

Cannydc wrote:The real sadness is how the remaining bitterness is so entrenched in their politics.


It is entrenched in their very being, when a child goes to the Blessed Oliver Plunkett school and another goes to a Prod school down the road they are being taught two very different versions of history.
But the fact is they arrive at the school gates on their very first day at school fully indoctrinated and brainwashed by their parents.
So how will that be stopped?

Re: Most now back reunification of Ireland

Post by Cannydc » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:59 am

The real sadness is how the remaining bitterness is so entrenched in their politics.

Re: Most now back reunification of Ireland

Post by LordRaven » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:52 am

Cannydc wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
Cannydc wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
Guest wrote:
They already do in the South. Eire!


Throw all the Nor'n Ir'n proddies into that mix and tell them they are to be ruled directly from Dublin and watch the fireworks.


Their country will be Ireland.

And sometimes, people can be persuaded to see the bigger picture. There are a lot more people who prefer peace to violence, even there.


You clearly haven't been up close and personal and seen the sheer hatred in their eyes of how they can tell just by looking at each other that they are of the "other religion."
And you clearly have zero concept or first hand experience of that boiling over into violence on certain anniversaries.
Think of Millwall V West Ham, and then throw in guns and explosives and you will start to understand.
It is a lovely land and the people are really nice, apart from being nice to each other.


Life has definately changed since Good Friday.

Many have moved on (but not all).

Oh I agree completely, and to see McGuiness, Paisley and Adams sitting down chatting and having a laugh was something I never thought I'd see. However it is the history that is the problem and we cannot rewrite history.
The inner seething hatred of each other will take a long time to disappear.

Re: Most now back reunification of Ireland

Post by Cannydc » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:49 am

LordRaven wrote:
Cannydc wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
Guest wrote:
calitom wrote:and ireland and catholics and protestants will live happily ever after


They already do in the South. Eire!


Throw all the Nor'n Ir'n proddies into that mix and tell them they are to be ruled directly from Dublin and watch the fireworks.


Their country will be Ireland.

And sometimes, people can be persuaded to see the bigger picture. There are a lot more people who prefer peace to violence, even there.


You clearly haven't been up close and personal and seen the sheer hatred in their eyes of how they can tell just by looking at each other that they are of the "other religion."
And you clearly have zero concept or first hand experience of that boiling over into violence on certain anniversaries.
Think of Millwall V West Ham, and then throw in guns and explosives and you will start to understand.
It is a lovely land and the people are really nice, apart from being nice to each other.


Life has definately changed since Good Friday.

Many have moved on (but not all).

Re: Most now back reunification of Ireland

Post by LordRaven » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:40 am

Cannydc wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
Guest wrote:
calitom wrote:and ireland and catholics and protestants will live happily ever after


They already do in the South. Eire!


Throw all the Nor'n Ir'n proddies into that mix and tell them they are to be ruled directly from Dublin and watch the fireworks.


Their country will be Ireland.

And sometimes, people can be persuaded to see the bigger picture. There are a lot more people who prefer peace to violence, even there.


You clearly haven't been up close and personal and seen the sheer hatred in their eyes of how they can tell just by looking at each other that they are of the "other religion."
And you clearly have zero concept or first hand experience of that boiling over into violence on certain anniversaries.
Think of Millwall V West Ham, and then throw in guns and explosives and you will start to understand.
It is a lovely land and the people are really nice, apart from being nice to each other.

Re: Most now back reunification of Ireland

Post by LordRaven » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:36 am

Cannydc wrote:
calitom wrote:and ireland and catholics and protestants will live happily ever after


Just like they do in almost all sensible Western democracies, where religion gas become a secondary consideration confined mostly to the elderly and insecure.


You clearly didn't spend much time patrolling the streets over there if you hold such a simplistic view. I wish you were right on this, I really do, but personal experience suggests you are way off the mark.
It is a sad fact of life that 1690 is too well ingrained into the memories of both communities and they are still educated in their different schools from knee high to despise one another.
That needs to stop before progress can be made.
Getting rid of the Ulster Constabulary and forming the PSNI was a major step in the right direction and all we can do is hope that matters improve year on year going forward.

Re: Most now back reunification of Ireland

Post by Cannydc » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:33 am

LordRaven wrote:
Guest wrote:
calitom wrote:and ireland and catholics and protestants will live happily ever after


They already do in the South. Eire!


Throw all the Nor'n Ir'n proddies into that mix and tell them they are to be ruled directly from Dublin and watch the fireworks.


Their country will be Ireland.

And sometimes, people can be persuaded to see the bigger picture. There are a lot more people who prefer peace to violence, even there.

Re: Most now back reunification of Ireland

Post by LordRaven » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:29 am

Guest wrote:
calitom wrote:and ireland and catholics and protestants will live happily ever after


They already do in the South. Eire!


Throw all the Nor'n Ir'n proddies into that mix and tell them they are to be ruled directly from Dublin and watch the fireworks.

Re: Most now back reunification of Ireland

Post by Cannydc » Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:12 am

calitom wrote:and ireland and catholics and protestants will live happily ever after


Just like they do in almost all sensible Western democracies, where religion gas become a secondary consideration confined mostly to the elderly and insecure.

Re: Most now back reunification of Ireland

Post by Guest » Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:16 pm

calitom wrote:and ireland and catholics and protestants will live happily ever after


The South is full of a mixture of all types of peoples that get on just fine.

They aren't very religious though! :awesome:

Re: Most now back reunification of Ireland

Post by Guest » Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:13 pm

calitom wrote:and ireland and catholics and protestants will live happily ever after


They already do in the South. Eire!

Re: Most now back reunification of Ireland

Post by calitom » Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:08 pm

and ireland and catholics and protestants will live happily ever after

Re: Most now back reunification of Ireland

Post by Cannydc » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:06 am

jeremyb wrote:By all means the ROI should join Ulster and the whole island be part of Britain again. How wonderful would that be, no more borders, no more troubles, a prosperous country as part of the UK.


And of course remain in the EU....

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