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Re: More Novichok?

Post by Rolluplostinspace » Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:15 pm

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Re: More Novichok?

Post by Rolluplostinspace » Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:01 pm

The Official Skripal Story is a Dead Duck
One of the striking things about the official Skripal story is the way its more wildly improbable aspects have been released to the mainstream media over a long period, so as to manage their impact. So, for example, police acknowledgement that the perfume bottle Charlie Rowley found was sealed and could not have been the container used on the Skripals is comparatively recent, and it took nine months for us to learn that, by a truly wonderful coincidence, the first person to find the Skripals ill on the bench was the Chief Nurse of the British Army.

I covered these points in full in my article on the ten points I do not believe in the official story – an article which nobody has sought to refute, other than to yell “conspiracy theory”, as though that was an argument.

But today we learn from the Guardian (quoting the New York Times) that Donald Trump was only convinced to back the UK government line after being shown photos of dead ducks and hospitalised children by CIA director Gina Haspel.


The problem is that, there were no hospitalised children. No children have been reported as becoming ill following their duck feeding with the Skripals. We have heard from one of the parents that they were shown by the police extremely clear CCTV footage of the duck feeding, which has never been made public. Surely if the child had been hospitalised, the parent would have been mentioned it?

There were no hospitalised children.

We also know that the duck feeding was the time that “Boshirov and Petrov” were physically closest to the Skripals. But this is the first time there has ever been any mention of any harm to the ducks. Dead ducks would have been noticed by the public.

Possibly the Guardian and New York Times are inventing utter drivel, as in the Manafort meeting Assange story. That would in itself be worrying. The other possibility is that the security services produced fake photographs of hospitalised children and slaughtered some ducks, in order to convince Donald Trump. If the latter explanation is true, then the entire Skripal saga looks more and more staged. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/51465.htm

Re: More Novichok?

Post by Cobs » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:20 pm

Fletch wrote:
Cobs wrote:
Fletch wrote:http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50390.htm

Does anyone still believe the official version? :ooer:

For any that do, maybe they also think Dr David Kelly really did find a tree and commit suicide...

You seriously linked that? It's the fucking twilight zone. Actual jet fuel can't melt steel beams stuff.

'Moreover, it was impossible for Mossad to pull off such an attack without high level support in the US government. Only a US official could have ordered the numerous simulations of the attack underway in order to confuse the air traffic controllers and the US Air Force.'


At least you admit to being gullible, even proud of it, it seems. I daresay you have no idea who Paul Craig Roberts is either. Best you stick to being told what to think by the msm, it's easier. :thumbsup:

He thinks 9/11 was an inside job so yeah, it's probably for the best. :ohdear:

Re: More Novichok?

Post by Fletch » Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:29 pm

RELEASING SKRIPAL INVESTIGATION REPORTS BELLINGCAT EXPOSES ITSELF AS MOUTHPIECE OF WESTERN INTELLIGENCE SERIVCES

Sum up

The MSM and Belligcat itself continue to claim that that Bellingcat is an “open-source” investigative website, which has no links to governments and special services. The only problem is that a significant part of the Skripal case “investigation” is data, including documents, which cannot be obtained from “open sources”.

The articles released by Bellingcat The Insider have no answers to the key questions:

How they obtained the passport scans, screenshots of other documents and extracts from the passport data for their inveistigation?

If this data was not directly provided to Belligcat and The Insider by some side, how did Belligcat and The Insider established communication channels with persons who have access to this data?

These questions remain open and it’s unlikely that they will be answered anytime soon. Most likely, Bellingcat and The Insider just received this data directly from persons or entities linked to US, British special services or through channels establsihed by US, British special services in Russia. Using these data, Bellingcat destroyed its own image of “open-source” investigation website, which the MSM has created for it in the Western audience over the past few years.

https://southfront.org/releasing-skripa ... -serivces/

Re: More Novichok?

Post by Fletch » Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:23 pm

Cobs wrote:
Fletch wrote:http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50390.htm

Does anyone still believe the official version? :ooer:

For any that do, maybe they also think Dr David Kelly really did find a tree and commit suicide...

You seriously linked that? It's the fucking twilight zone. Actual jet fuel can't melt steel beams stuff.

'Moreover, it was impossible for Mossad to pull off such an attack without high level support in the US government. Only a US official could have ordered the numerous simulations of the attack underway in order to confuse the air traffic controllers and the US Air Force.'


At least you admit to being gullible, even proud of it, it seems. I daresay you have no idea who Paul Craig Roberts is either. Best you stick to being told what to think by the msm, it's easier. :thumbsup:

Re: More Novichok?

Post by Cobs » Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:37 pm

Fletch wrote:http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50390.htm

Does anyone still believe the official version? :ooer:

For any that do, maybe they also think Dr David Kelly really did find a tree and commit suicide...

You seriously linked that? It's the fucking twilight zone. Actual jet fuel can't melt steel beams stuff.

'Moreover, it was impossible for Mossad to pull off such an attack without high level support in the US government. Only a US official could have ordered the numerous simulations of the attack underway in order to confuse the air traffic controllers and the US Air Force.'

Re: More Novichok?

Post by MungoBrush » Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:18 am

Fletch wrote:Everything Is A Hoax By Paul Craig Roberts

An Israeli expert on terrorism and covert assassination procedures explains that the alleged Russian GRU attack on the Skripals with a supposedly deadly nerve agent is a completely obvious hoax to anyone who knows anything at all.

The official story, says the expert, is “stupidity on stupidity.”

I agree with him.

The question is: Why did the British government think that they could get away with such an obvious hoax? The answer is that the people in Western countries don’t know anything about anything. They live in a world in which their reality is a product of the propaganda fed to them by “news organizations” and Hollywood movies. They only receive controlled explanations. Therefore, they know nothing about how anything really functions. Read the account by the Israeli expert to understand the vast difference between the British government’s hoax and the reality of how an assassination is conducted.

The Israeli expert got me to wondering why

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50390.htm

Does anyone still believe the official version? :ooer:

For any that do, maybe they also think Dr David Kelly really did find a tree and commit suicide...


And the woman who died
Was she part of the hoax too?

Re: More Novichok?

Post by Rolluplostinspace » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:28 pm

I haven't believed this stuff since the beginning which is probably obvious from my posts.

Re: More Novichok?

Post by Fletch » Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:44 pm

Everything Is A Hoax By Paul Craig Roberts

An Israeli expert on terrorism and covert assassination procedures explains that the alleged Russian GRU attack on the Skripals with a supposedly deadly nerve agent is a completely obvious hoax to anyone who knows anything at all.

The official story, says the expert, is “stupidity on stupidity.”

I agree with him.

The question is: Why did the British government think that they could get away with such an obvious hoax? The answer is that the people in Western countries don’t know anything about anything. They live in a world in which their reality is a product of the propaganda fed to them by “news organizations” and Hollywood movies. They only receive controlled explanations. Therefore, they know nothing about how anything really functions. Read the account by the Israeli expert to understand the vast difference between the British government’s hoax and the reality of how an assassination is conducted.

The Israeli expert got me to wondering why

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50390.htm

Does anyone still believe the official version? :ooer:

For any that do, maybe they also think Dr David Kelly really did find a tree and commit suicide...

Re: More Novichok?

Post by LordRaven » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:21 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I don't quite understand the route these chaps allegedly followed. They were allegedly caught on CCTV near the house, and then somewhere else on their way back to the station. However, it wasn't on their way back to the station. Did they go to Queen Elizabeth gardens specifically to dispose of the bottle? Also, if they were wandering around the suburbs of Salisbury, I doubt they were there sightseeing.


Yes but...

"Luftwaffe “just wanted to see St Paul’s Cathedral”
Hermann Göring, commander-in-chief of the German air force, has denied responsibility for the devastating London blitz, insisting that his pilots “just wanted to see St Paul’s Cathedral”.

Göring explained, “We were all sitting in the mess hall talking about English Baroque architecture, and the subject of St Paul’s Cathedral came up.

“Hans was saying how he loved how the lower storey of the portico extends to the full width of the aisles, while the upper section defines the nave that lies behind it.

“And Fritz said that he loved the balustraded balcony ornamented with alternating pilasters and rectangular windows which are set just below the cornice, creating a sense of lightness.

“And it turned out that every single member of the Luftwaffe was a massive fan of St Paul’s Cathedral
http://newsthump.com/2018/09/14/luftwaf ... cathedral/

Re: More Novichok?

Post by Snookerballs » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:45 pm

Re: More Novichok?

Post by Raggamuffin » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:25 pm

I don't quite understand the route these chaps allegedly followed. They were allegedly caught on CCTV near the house, and then somewhere else on their way back to the station. However, it wasn't on their way back to the station. Did they go to Queen Elizabeth gardens specifically to dispose of the bottle? Also, if they were wandering around the suburbs of Salisbury, I doubt they were there sightseeing.

Re: More Novichok?

Post by MungoBrush » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:37 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:I forgot to mention all the evidence would include the Skripals attending as witnesses and medical records from the hospitals.
It was mentioned some time ago that the hospital might have treated the Skripals for Fentanyl poisoning nog nerve agent poisoning.
All the cctv of the Skrips and the Russians to be viewed in court and explained timelines the lot.
I think the British government would go into panic mode.
Come on Putin bring it on .... he does still read here yes?


Yes of course
Now we know why all you lefties are defending Russia

"MI6 believed that Michael Foot had been a paid informant of the Soviet Union and was prepared to warn the Queen of his “KGB history” when he stood to become prime minister, its officers have revealed in a new book.

The British intelligence apparatus concluded that the evidence presented by a Soviet defector about the Labour leader’s links with the KGB was strong enough to warrant the unprecedented constitutional action."

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mi6- ... -vpdtg3lgx

Can't criticise Russia.
Corbyn has probably continued on with the tradition.

Re: More Novichok?

Post by Rolluplostinspace » Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:42 pm

I forgot to mention all the evidence would include the Skripals attending as witnesses and medical records from the hospitals.
It was mentioned some time ago that the hospital might have treated the Skripals for Fentanyl poisoning nog nerve agent poisoning.
All the cctv of the Skrips and the Russians to be viewed in court and explained timelines the lot.
I think the British government would go into panic mode.
Come on Putin bring it on .... he does still read here yes?

Re: More Novichok?

Post by Rolluplostinspace » Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:38 pm

If Putin said ok I'm sending these two guys to the UK to face a full and fair trial with all the evidence on the table.
I suspect the UK government would bottle it.
Possibly cause a constitutional crisis at the the same time.

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