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Re: WHO OR WHAT IS BELLINGCAT ?

Post by Stooo » Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:23 pm



:smilin:

Re: WHO OR WHAT IS BELLINGCAT ?

Post by Stooo » Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:58 pm

GRU thread:

Re: WHO OR WHAT IS BELLINGCAT ?

Post by Stooo » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:37 pm

Active this week, something's happening.

Re: WHO OR WHAT IS BELLINGCAT ?

Post by Grafenwalder » Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:47 pm

Stooo wrote:
Grafenwalder wrote:This tweet on Europols site about that is interesting



The whole thread is full of stuff like that as well as a thank you from Interpol. From what I've read so far, Bellingcat is a force for good.

Yeah i just found their methods in analysing pretty fascinating on that clip, though despite profiling through Google earth they got pointed in the exact location by a tip off from "a Cameroon source". Hhmmm!! A disillusioned ex-military?

Re Bellingcat good/bad, who knows? I'd like to believe the former but then we're always told GCHQ/MI5/MI6 are the 'good guys' yet i still feel GCHQ know much more about what really happened to Gareth Williams than what was allowed out in the public domain. Too many unanswered questions which were too convenient.

Re: WHO OR WHAT IS BELLINGCAT ?

Post by Stooo » Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:26 pm

Grafenwalder wrote:This tweet on Europols site about that is interesting



The whole thread is full of stuff like that as well as a thank you from Interpol. From what I've read so far, Bellingcat is a force for good.

Re: WHO OR WHAT IS BELLINGCAT ?

Post by Grafenwalder » Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:16 pm

This tweet on Europols site about that is interesting

Re: WHO OR WHAT IS BELLINGCAT ?

Post by Stooo » Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:25 pm

QED:

Re: WHO OR WHAT IS BELLINGCAT ?

Post by Grafenwalder » Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:45 pm

Cannydc wrote:Your point re. Gareth Williams is well taken.

My view is that 'the authorities' (in this case, HM Government) would have absolutely LOVED to stand up in parliament and crowed that they knew who the Salisbury pair really were.

Presumably our spooks would be obliged to brief the PM fully, if they were the ones to find out. She couldn't resist passing it on, that's for sure. So, Bellingcat outpointed MI6, GCHQ et al. Which either points to them being very lucky, or a very polished, professional unit, well financed and with some very good links in high places. Your choice...

I'm inclined to believe what the Russian Ambassador said. No admittance from HMG, but also no denial..at least not yet.

Where the US love to openly boast about their intelligence (they can't keep a damn thing secret!), UK is the absolute opposite and highly secretive. Look how long Bletchley Park remained secret long after the end of ww2 when all it's work was done. Many who worked there, not even their own families knew 'what daddy/mummy did' during the war because they were strictly bound under the Official Secrets Act. They were Churchills "geese that never cackled".

The Gareth Williams case fascinated me for a long time and i very much doubt anyone will ever know the truth behind what really happened. GCHQ, MI5 and HMG have made sure of that.

There's a case i've been 'poking my nose' around in for a few years concerning someone who once worked at GCHQ and was involved in espionage. I'm in regular contact with someone i know could easily put me in touch with him but she's refused. It's a case i feel strongly about as he got sent down for a very lengthy sentence where people like Anthony Blunt who committed the same offence simply had his title removed. Blunt had the right 'connections' in the Establishment..this other guy didn't.

Re: WHO OR WHAT IS BELLINGCAT ?

Post by Stooo » Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:31 pm

Cannydc wrote:
Stooo wrote:This thread may help:



It doesn't.

It sounds a bit like this....

https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/ex-daily ... -laureate/


Did they say something bad about Jezza? I remember when you despaired about his appointment as PL. Interestingly I have an online game with some mates where we take a drink when he mentions brexit, we've been sober for a while...

Right, let's see this for what it is, internet activism from back in the mid-2000's. I was an avid observer of groups like anonymous and their battle against Scientology, Occupy and even taking it into the Arab Spring and beyond and they all had a common thread: no actual leadership. Bellingcat appears to be more for that form of protest and information on a non-partisan ticket, if that involves criticism of stuff that you support then so be it!

A lot of the criticism of the group tends to be from users and bots who had recently supported Leave and Trump and who are perhaps savvy enough to know how to manipulate people online. Follow the money, I bet it will end in Roubles :wink:

Re: WHO OR WHAT IS BELLINGCAT ?

Post by Cannydc » Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:03 pm

Stooo wrote:This thread may help:



It doesn't.

It sounds a bit like this....

https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/ex-daily ... -laureate/

Re: WHO OR WHAT IS BELLINGCAT ?

Post by Stooo » Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:57 pm

This thread may help:

Re: WHO OR WHAT IS BELLINGCAT ?

Post by Cannydc » Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:51 pm

Your point re. Gareth Williams is well taken.

My view is that 'the authorities' (in this case, HM Government) would have absolutely LOVED to stand up in parliament and crowed that they knew who the Salisbury pair really were.

Presumably our spooks would be obliged to brief the PM fully, if they were the ones to find out. She couldn't resist passing it on, that's for sure. So, Bellingcat outpointed MI6, GCHQ et al. Which either points to them being very lucky, or a very polished, professional unit, well financed and with some very good links in high places. Your choice...

Re: WHO OR WHAT IS BELLINGCAT ?

Post by Grafenwalder » Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:12 pm

Cannydc wrote:
Rocthedog wrote:
Cannydc wrote:These words, taken from an 'Indi' article, should make people think harder about what is being spoonfed to us on a daily basis...

"Belllingcat, which has presented itself in the past as a microcosm of well-meaning and very British amateurishness, based in a Leicestershire bedroom, producing results that put the professional sleuths to shame. In fact, Bellingcat has grown rather a lot beyond its shoestring origins. It has money – where from? It has been hiring staff. It has transatlantic connections. It has never, so far as I am aware, reached any conclusion – whether on the downing of the Malaysian plane over eastern Ukraine, or chemical weapons use in Syria, or now, with the Skripals – that is in any way inconvenient to the UK or US authorities.

That need not cast doubt on its findings. But should the authenticity of the documents it cites not be subject, at very least, to the same scrutiny as might be applied to other evidence? And when, as this week, UK officials say they do not “dispute” Bellingcat’s identification of Chepiga and Mishkin, does this not prompt a few questions about whether, say, our “agencies” reached the same conclusions long ago, but kept quiet, or why most of the UK’s media apparently find Bellingcat a more trustworthy source than the UK intelligence services (possible answer: Iraq)? Might not the group’s good name be being used to get information into the public domain that officials do not want to vouch for? And, if so, would this be to inform, or to mislead? "

It continues.....

"For all the “revelations” of recent days, we are no further forward in knowing what happened to the Skripals – or to Dawn Sturgess, who remains the only person to have died, or to her partner, Charlie Rowley, who has now, like the Skripals and Detective Constable Nick Bailey, disappeared from the media. The two men caught on CCTV in Salisbury may indeed be GRU agents – though why the GRU would squander its brightest and best on such an apparently incompetently executed operation raises doubts. But no UK court would convict them of even attempted killing on the “evidence” that has so far been produced.

The CCTV footage from Salisbury has huge lacunae – though it is established that the cameras were working in Salisbury that day – and does not include any of the pair less than 500m from the Skripals’ house, nor any of the Skripals themselves. Why not? We still do not know where they were for most of that Sunday morning, who they might have met, or for what purpose, or precisely when the presumed attack occurred. Those are huge gaps."


Surely the Skripals were thoroughly 'de-briefed' ? What was their testimony ? Why isn't it public knowledge ?

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/sk ... 77161.html


Canny, Why do you give a fuck, you support a man who is supposed to deliver this country into the Putin fold politically, Just like all the other Labour supporting stupids on here. So Russia sending killers here will be supported by your man regardless of what he says for public consumption. I suggest you think very hard on him and his hidden agenda.


I "give a fuck" because I like to see loose ends neatly tied up, without doubts hanging around like a bad smell. I would be justified in asking why you don't ?

Over what? UK has always been secretive when it comes to intelligence and we only get told what the authorities want us to know. Talking about 'loose ends' and 'doubts hanging around like a bad smell', take a look at the Gareth Williams (GCHQ) case as an example of that. The authorities eventually got that buried and disappeared from the media leaving it to CT'ers and conjecture. Never even gets a mention now.

Re: WHO OR WHAT IS BELLINGCAT ?

Post by Grafenwalder » Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:00 pm

Cannydc wrote:
Grafenwalder wrote:They were involved in investigations of MH17 in Ukraine among many others. They operate from an 3rd floor office in Leicester.

Here is their website.

https://www.bellingcat.com/


Anyone can start up a website.

Knowing where they are, and the website they post on doesn't answer who they are, who funds them, whose side they are on and what their agenda is.

Already posted a link. Russias Ambassador to UK claims to be 'in the know' about that. Whether you choose to believe him or not is another matter though i've not heard or read any denials from UK gov.

Re: WHO OR WHAT IS BELLINGCAT ?

Post by Cannydc » Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:56 am

Rocthedog wrote:
Cannydc wrote:These words, taken from an 'Indi' article, should make people think harder about what is being spoonfed to us on a daily basis...

"Belllingcat, which has presented itself in the past as a microcosm of well-meaning and very British amateurishness, based in a Leicestershire bedroom, producing results that put the professional sleuths to shame. In fact, Bellingcat has grown rather a lot beyond its shoestring origins. It has money – where from? It has been hiring staff. It has transatlantic connections. It has never, so far as I am aware, reached any conclusion – whether on the downing of the Malaysian plane over eastern Ukraine, or chemical weapons use in Syria, or now, with the Skripals – that is in any way inconvenient to the UK or US authorities.

That need not cast doubt on its findings. But should the authenticity of the documents it cites not be subject, at very least, to the same scrutiny as might be applied to other evidence? And when, as this week, UK officials say they do not “dispute” Bellingcat’s identification of Chepiga and Mishkin, does this not prompt a few questions about whether, say, our “agencies” reached the same conclusions long ago, but kept quiet, or why most of the UK’s media apparently find Bellingcat a more trustworthy source than the UK intelligence services (possible answer: Iraq)? Might not the group’s good name be being used to get information into the public domain that officials do not want to vouch for? And, if so, would this be to inform, or to mislead? "

It continues.....

"For all the “revelations” of recent days, we are no further forward in knowing what happened to the Skripals – or to Dawn Sturgess, who remains the only person to have died, or to her partner, Charlie Rowley, who has now, like the Skripals and Detective Constable Nick Bailey, disappeared from the media. The two men caught on CCTV in Salisbury may indeed be GRU agents – though why the GRU would squander its brightest and best on such an apparently incompetently executed operation raises doubts. But no UK court would convict them of even attempted killing on the “evidence” that has so far been produced.

The CCTV footage from Salisbury has huge lacunae – though it is established that the cameras were working in Salisbury that day – and does not include any of the pair less than 500m from the Skripals’ house, nor any of the Skripals themselves. Why not? We still do not know where they were for most of that Sunday morning, who they might have met, or for what purpose, or precisely when the presumed attack occurred. Those are huge gaps."


Surely the Skripals were thoroughly 'de-briefed' ? What was their testimony ? Why isn't it public knowledge ?

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/sk ... 77161.html


Canny, Why do you give a fuck, you support a man who is supposed to deliver this country into the Putin fold politically, Just like all the other Labour supporting stupids on here. So Russia sending killers here will be supported by your man regardless of what he says for public consumption. I suggest you think very hard on him and his hidden agenda.


I "give a fuck" because I like to see loose ends neatly tied up, without doubts hanging around like a bad smell. I would be justified in asking why you don't ?

As for the Labour / Putin garbage...... please save your Daily Heil smearing rhetoric for someone who doesn't laugh every time I read it. And remember, Tories are adopting policies which were put forward by Labour just a couple of years ago, but derided by them as 'insane'. And now we have a cap on energy prices.... Insane, eh ? Sure - nicked straight from Labour's "hidden agenda", which by the way has the sound of 'smear Labour, Phase 3'.

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