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Re: Argentina will use no-deal Brexit to take back Falkland Isla

Post by LordRaven » Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:45 pm

Falklands 'belong to Uruguay not Argentina'
The Falkland Islands should belong to Uruguay, the authors of a new book on the disputed islands have sensationally claimed.

A forgotten 172-year-old treaty signed between Spain and the South American country gives it sovereignty rights over the British colony, they say.
Uruguayan architect Juan Ackermann, one of the two authors of the book, insisted: "Legally, the islands are ours."
Co-author Alfredo Villegas, an Argentine engineer, added: "For me, as an Argentine, it was very difficult to come to terms with this."
The book, whose title translates into English as 'The Falkland Islands – Are They Uruguayan?' argues colonial Spain controlled the region's seas, islands and coastline from naval bases in Cuba, Peru and the Uruguayan capital Montevideo.
Mr Ackermann said: "No one remembers a 1841 treaty signed between Spain and Uruguay.
"In that document, Spain cedes it the naval base's powers.
"Seventeen years later, Spain did the same with Argentina, but it couldn't give it something it's already given another. That is a very strong argument in favour of Uruguay."
A 1972 international agreement on the Antartic confirmed Uruguay as the rightful owner of the Falklands because it was based on the 1841 treaty, Mr Villegas added.
He told an interviewer: "It was signed first in the Uruguayan senate and then in the Argentine senate.
"The basis of that signature is the 1841 treaty.
"When the Argentine legislators signed, they were recognising that agreement.
"It's obvious they didn't read what they signed."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldn ... ntina.html

For myself I go back to birthright of families who have lived there for generations over hundreds of years under the only country to ever bother giving proper governance.
Their birthright is paramount.
If you use Art's idiotic argument you may as well tell all the Americans, Canadians, Central Americans, South Americans, Australians, Kiwis and white South Africans to "fuck off back to their own countries" and deny them their birthright too.
That is how daft his argument is.

Re: Argentina will use no-deal Brexit to take back Falkland Isla

Post by LordRaven » Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:40 am

MungoBrush wrote:
LordRaven wrote:I would go further and use the fact that Spain ONLY EVER administered the Falklands from Montevideo as further justification that Argentina has fuck all claim.

And anyone mentioning a geographical claim must realise that that is stupid because London could claim sovereignty over a lot of europe using the same silly argument.


Good point.
I just found out that the Falkland Islands are 1500km away from Argentina.
That's quite a big circle drawn from London over Europe.
Maybe that's the logic the Romans used when the conquered Britain?


Exactly, it is a stupid claim using geography.

And I do find amazing to think families that have lived there for hundreds of years through many generations under the only country that ever set up proper governance are being told they have zero birthright by posters on this forum.

Re: Argentina will use no-deal Brexit to take back Falkland Isla

Post by MungoBrush » Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:33 am

LordRaven wrote:I would go further and use the fact that Spain ONLY EVER administered the Falklands from Montevideo as further justification that Argentina has fuck all claim.

And anyone mentioning a geographical claim must realise that that is stupid because London could claim sovereignty over a lot of europe using the same silly argument.


Good point.
I just found out that the Falkland Islands are 1500km away from Argentina.
That's quite a big circle drawn from London over Europe.
Maybe that's the logic the Romans used when the conquered Britain?

Re: Argentina will use no-deal Brexit to take back Falkland Isla

Post by LordRaven » Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:22 am

MungoBrush wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
art0hur0moh wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
What a load of one sided bollocks! When producing a history it is useful to mention both sides.


The history of the Falkland Islands (Spanish: Islas Malvinas) goes back at least five hundred years, with active exploration and colonisation only taking place in the 18th century. Nonetheless, the islands have been a matter of controversy, as they have been claimed by the French, British, Spaniards and Argentines at various points.

The islands were uninhabited when discovered by Europeans. France established a colony on the islands in 1764. In 1765, a British captain claimed the islands for Britain. In early 1770 a Spanish commander arrived from Argentina with five ships and 1400 soldiers forcing the British to leave Port Egmont. Britain and Spain almost went to war over the islands, but the British government decided that it should withdraw its presence from many overseas settlements in 1774. Spain, which had a garrison at Puerto Soledad on East Falklands, administered the garrison from Montevideo until 1811 when it was compelled to withdraw by pressures resulting from the Peninsular War. In 1833, the British returned to the Falkland Islands. Argentina invaded the islands on 2 April 1982. The British responded with an expeditionary force that forced the Argentines to surrender.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... nd_Islands

Judging by the Spanish Administering the Falklands from Montevideo I think Uruguay has more of a claim than the foundless Argentine claim.

where do You think My source came from. and that page is at least 60% short of the information I read a few years ago! the anomalous and operative words are "french colony!" later "british claim" post french colonization :p I used more than two sources. starting with Your source :p


Like I said, highly selective on your part and failing to comprehend French 1764, British 1765 had colonies in east and west falkland --unaware of each other for a while.
Are you following? No spanish yet, get it?
1770n--a full 5 years later the Spanish arrive---------so who was first old bean?
1774 Britain withdraw --- that is another 4 years, are you following?
They had urgent more pressing matters to attend to in the world --- have a guess what that was art.
Spain administered the Falklands from URUGUAY until 1811 --when the Peninuslar War saw them overun by the Napoleon so they left the Falklands
Still no Argentine claim?
British then fought Napoleon and not only stopped him controlling the whole Iberian peninsular, the Royal Navy fought and stopped him taking over South America.
The Portugese Royal Court lived in Rio De Janeiro having fled the French invasion of Portugal and Napoleon attacked them there too ---But the Royal Navy stopped him from doing so.
It sounds to me Britain has a bigger claim to the Falklands than anyone ---even as a debt of gratitude


On the Portugese, having fled Lisbon for Rio the Royal Court liked it so much that even when Napoleon was ejected from Portugal by Wellington they decided to stay on in Rio and ran The Brazilian Empire from there.
To this day Portugal is the only european country to have been ruled from South America.
That was until the Portugese demanded the Royal Court return to europe.
But I suppose art will now believe Portugal belongs to Brazil


Very interesting post thanks.
So, at no time were the Falkand Islands ever part of Argentina?

I would go further and use the fact that Spain ONLY EVER administered the Falklands from Montevideo as further justification that Argentina has fuck all claim.

And anyone mentioning a geographical claim must realise that that is stupid because London could claim sovereignty over a lot of europe using the same silly argument.

Re: Argentina will use no-deal Brexit to take back Falkland Isla

Post by MungoBrush » Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:14 am

LordRaven wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
art0hur0moh wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
art0hur0moh wrote:The settlement was established as a French colony under the name Port Saint Louis in 1764, and within a year reached a population of 75 (most of them Acadians), with three marriages and two births recorded (once of the births was François Benoit in 1764, son of Agustin Benoit and Françoise Thériault. Sébastien died in 1839, Bay St. George, Newfoundland) – apparently the first ever in the islands' history. After three years of French possession the settlement was ceded to Spain, and all the French settlers left to be replaced by Spaniards. Acting on personal instructions by King Carlos III, the Spanish Government reimbursed the founder of Port St. Louis, Louis Antoine de Bougainville, 618,108 French livres.

Bougainville himself sailed to Port Saint Louis on board the Boudeuse, accompanied by the Spanish ships Esmeralda and Liebre to hand the settlement over to Felipe Ruíz Puente, the first Spanish governor (1767–1773) of Puerto Soledad, as the settlement would become known. The ceremony took place on April 1, 1767, and from Puerto Soledad Bougainville set sail to make the first French circumnavigation of the world.

conclusive! britain invaded argentinian territories! compensation from america and britain for unwarranded and criminal assaults needs to be paid for lawful restitution! the lands where stolen!


What a load of one sided bollocks! When producing a history it is useful to mention both sides.


The history of the Falkland Islands (Spanish: Islas Malvinas) goes back at least five hundred years, with active exploration and colonisation only taking place in the 18th century. Nonetheless, the islands have been a matter of controversy, as they have been claimed by the French, British, Spaniards and Argentines at various points.

The islands were uninhabited when discovered by Europeans. France established a colony on the islands in 1764. In 1765, a British captain claimed the islands for Britain. In early 1770 a Spanish commander arrived from Argentina with five ships and 1400 soldiers forcing the British to leave Port Egmont. Britain and Spain almost went to war over the islands, but the British government decided that it should withdraw its presence from many overseas settlements in 1774. Spain, which had a garrison at Puerto Soledad on East Falklands, administered the garrison from Montevideo until 1811 when it was compelled to withdraw by pressures resulting from the Peninsular War. In 1833, the British returned to the Falkland Islands. Argentina invaded the islands on 2 April 1982. The British responded with an expeditionary force that forced the Argentines to surrender.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... nd_Islands

Judging by the Spanish Administering the Falklands from Montevideo I think Uruguay has more of a claim than the foundless Argentine claim.

where do You think My source came from. and that page is at least 60% short of the information I read a few years ago! the anomalous and operative words are "french colony!" later "british claim" post french colonization :p I used more than two sources. starting with Your source :p


Like I said, highly selective on your part and failing to comprehend French 1764, British 1765 had colonies in east and west falkland --unaware of each other for a while.
Are you following? No spanish yet, get it?
1770n--a full 5 years later the Spanish arrive---------so who was first old bean?
1774 Britain withdraw --- that is another 4 years, are you following?
They had urgent more pressing matters to attend to in the world --- have a guess what that was art.
Spain administered the Falklands from URUGUAY until 1811 --when the Peninuslar War saw them overun by the Napoleon so they left the Falklands
Still no Argentine claim?
British then fought Napoleon and not only stopped him controlling the whole Iberian peninsular, the Royal Navy fought and stopped him taking over South America.
The Portugese Royal Court lived in Rio De Janeiro having fled the French invasion of Portugal and Napoleon attacked them there too ---But the Royal Navy stopped him from doing so.
It sounds to me Britain has a bigger claim to the Falklands than anyone ---even as a debt of gratitude


On the Portugese, having fled Lisbon for Rio the Royal Court liked it so much that even when Napoleon was ejected from Portugal by Wellington they decided to stay on in Rio and ran The Brazilian Empire from there.
To this day Portugal is the only european country to have been ruled from South America.
That was until the Portugese demanded the Royal Court return to europe.
But I suppose art will now believe Portugal belongs to Brazil


Very interesting post thanks.
So, at no time were the Falkand Islands ever part of Argentina?

Re: Argentina will use no-deal Brexit to take back Falkland Isla

Post by LordRaven » Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:50 am

LordRaven wrote:
art0hur0moh wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
art0hur0moh wrote:The settlement was established as a French colony under the name Port Saint Louis in 1764, and within a year reached a population of 75 (most of them Acadians), with three marriages and two births recorded (once of the births was François Benoit in 1764, son of Agustin Benoit and Françoise Thériault. Sébastien died in 1839, Bay St. George, Newfoundland) – apparently the first ever in the islands' history. After three years of French possession the settlement was ceded to Spain, and all the French settlers left to be replaced by Spaniards. Acting on personal instructions by King Carlos III, the Spanish Government reimbursed the founder of Port St. Louis, Louis Antoine de Bougainville, 618,108 French livres.

Bougainville himself sailed to Port Saint Louis on board the Boudeuse, accompanied by the Spanish ships Esmeralda and Liebre to hand the settlement over to Felipe Ruíz Puente, the first Spanish governor (1767–1773) of Puerto Soledad, as the settlement would become known. The ceremony took place on April 1, 1767, and from Puerto Soledad Bougainville set sail to make the first French circumnavigation of the world.

conclusive! britain invaded argentinian territories! compensation from america and britain for unwarranded and criminal assaults needs to be paid for lawful restitution! the lands where stolen!


What a load of one sided bollocks! When producing a history it is useful to mention both sides.


The history of the Falkland Islands (Spanish: Islas Malvinas) goes back at least five hundred years, with active exploration and colonisation only taking place in the 18th century. Nonetheless, the islands have been a matter of controversy, as they have been claimed by the French, British, Spaniards and Argentines at various points.

The islands were uninhabited when discovered by Europeans. France established a colony on the islands in 1764. In 1765, a British captain claimed the islands for Britain. In early 1770 a Spanish commander arrived from Argentina with five ships and 1400 soldiers forcing the British to leave Port Egmont. Britain and Spain almost went to war over the islands, but the British government decided that it should withdraw its presence from many overseas settlements in 1774. Spain, which had a garrison at Puerto Soledad on East Falklands, administered the garrison from Montevideo until 1811 when it was compelled to withdraw by pressures resulting from the Peninsular War. In 1833, the British returned to the Falkland Islands. Argentina invaded the islands on 2 April 1982. The British responded with an expeditionary force that forced the Argentines to surrender.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... nd_Islands

Judging by the Spanish Administering the Falklands from Montevideo I think Uruguay has more of a claim than the foundless Argentine claim.

where do You think My source came from. and that page is at least 60% short of the information I read a few years ago! the anomalous and operative words are "french colony!" later "british claim" post french colonization :p I used more than two sources. starting with Your source :p


Like I said, highly selective on your part and failing to comprehend French 1764, British 1765 had colonies in east and west falkland --unaware of each other for a while.
Are you following? No spanish yet, get it?
1770n--a full 5 years later the Spanish arrive---------so who was first old bean?
1774 Britain withdraw --- that is another 4 years, are you following?
They had urgent more pressing matters to attend to in the world --- have a guess what that was art.
Spain administered the Falklands from URUGUAY until 1811 --when the Peninuslar War saw them overun by the Napoleon so they left the Falklands
Still no Argentine claim?
British then fought Napoleon and not only stopped him controlling the whole Iberian peninsular, the Royal Navy fought and stopped him taking over South America.
The Portugese Royal Court lived in Rio De Janeiro having fled the French invasion of Portugal and Napoleon attacked them there too ---But the Royal Navy stopped him from doing so.
It sounds to me Britain has a bigger claim to the Falklands than anyone ---even as a debt of gratitude


On the Portugese, having fled Lisbon for Rio the Royal Court liked it so much that even when Napoleon was ejected from Portugal by Wellington they decided to stay on in Rio and ran The Brazilian Empire from there.
To this day Portugal is the only european country to have been ruled from South America.
That was until the Portugese demanded the Royal Court return to europe.
But I suppose art will now believe Portugal belongs to Brazil

Re: Argentina will use no-deal Brexit to take back Falkland Isla

Post by LordRaven » Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:35 am

art0hur0moh wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
art0hur0moh wrote:The settlement was established as a French colony under the name Port Saint Louis in 1764, and within a year reached a population of 75 (most of them Acadians), with three marriages and two births recorded (once of the births was François Benoit in 1764, son of Agustin Benoit and Françoise Thériault. Sébastien died in 1839, Bay St. George, Newfoundland) – apparently the first ever in the islands' history. After three years of French possession the settlement was ceded to Spain, and all the French settlers left to be replaced by Spaniards. Acting on personal instructions by King Carlos III, the Spanish Government reimbursed the founder of Port St. Louis, Louis Antoine de Bougainville, 618,108 French livres.

Bougainville himself sailed to Port Saint Louis on board the Boudeuse, accompanied by the Spanish ships Esmeralda and Liebre to hand the settlement over to Felipe Ruíz Puente, the first Spanish governor (1767–1773) of Puerto Soledad, as the settlement would become known. The ceremony took place on April 1, 1767, and from Puerto Soledad Bougainville set sail to make the first French circumnavigation of the world.

conclusive! britain invaded argentinian territories! compensation from america and britain for unwarranded and criminal assaults needs to be paid for lawful restitution! the lands where stolen!


What a load of one sided bollocks! When producing a history it is useful to mention both sides.


The history of the Falkland Islands (Spanish: Islas Malvinas) goes back at least five hundred years, with active exploration and colonisation only taking place in the 18th century. Nonetheless, the islands have been a matter of controversy, as they have been claimed by the French, British, Spaniards and Argentines at various points.

The islands were uninhabited when discovered by Europeans. France established a colony on the islands in 1764. In 1765, a British captain claimed the islands for Britain. In early 1770 a Spanish commander arrived from Argentina with five ships and 1400 soldiers forcing the British to leave Port Egmont. Britain and Spain almost went to war over the islands, but the British government decided that it should withdraw its presence from many overseas settlements in 1774. Spain, which had a garrison at Puerto Soledad on East Falklands, administered the garrison from Montevideo until 1811 when it was compelled to withdraw by pressures resulting from the Peninsular War. In 1833, the British returned to the Falkland Islands. Argentina invaded the islands on 2 April 1982. The British responded with an expeditionary force that forced the Argentines to surrender.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... nd_Islands

Judging by the Spanish Administering the Falklands from Montevideo I think Uruguay has more of a claim than the foundless Argentine claim.

where do You think My source came from. and that page is at least 60% short of the information I read a few years ago! the anomalous and operative words are "french colony!" later "british claim" post french colonization :p I used more than two sources. starting with Your source :p


Like I said, highly selective on your part and failing to comprehend French 1764, British 1765 had colonies in east and west falkland --unaware of each other for a while.
Are you following? No spanish yet, get it?
1770n--a full 5 years later the Spanish arrive---------so who was first old bean?
1774 Britain withdraw --- that is another 4 years, are you following?
They had urgent more pressing matters to attend to in the world --- have a guess what that was art.
Spain administered the Falklands from URUGUAY until 1811 --when the Peninuslar War saw them overun by the Napoleon so they left the Falklands
Still no Argentine claim?
British then fought Napoleon and not only stopped him controlling the whole Iberian peninsular, the Royal Navy fought and stopped him taking over South America.
The Portugese Royal Court lived in Rio De Janeiro having fled the French invasion of Portugal and Napoleon attacked them their too ---But the Royal Navy stopped him from doing so.
It sounds to me Britain has a bigger claim to the Falklands than anyone ---even as a debt of gratitude

Re: Argentina will use no-deal Brexit to take back Falkland Isla

Post by art0hur0moh » Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:09 pm

Cannydc wrote:
art0hur0moh wrote:Personally I don't give a flying fuck! that is till an argument was started! Your borders, fences, and walls have done far more harm to Humanity than any wmd could ever possibly do! it is divisive and encourages the dehumanization and murder of Women and Children. and I am fucking sick to the back teeth of this imposed tyranny of willful ignorance!!


I'll get someone local to put your toys back into your pram, Art.

I didn't call the legitimate governing body of afghanistan terrorist and insurgents, did I?

Re: Argentina will use no-deal Brexit to take back Falkland Isla

Post by art0hur0moh » Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:04 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:Borders fences barriers markers have been around as long as mankind and they are not all bad.
If I've got six healthy cows and I have to build a barrier to keep your sick unhealthy and usually short lived cows separated from them I will build that barrier. When I want to protect my chickens from the fox I will build fences.
When I want to keep some thieving bastard out of my house or car I'll use locks.
When someone wants to overthrow my peaceful kingdom I'll build castles and walls.
If I have an open wound I'll do my best to place a barrier between my body and any potential invaders ....,.


and there is the problem. there is no defence so great it can't be over come! besides kindoms don't collapse due to outside conditions. but internal divison has consstently destroyed kingdoms and empires!

Re: Argentina will use no-deal Brexit to take back Falkland Isla

Post by Lady Murasaki » Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:42 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:Borders fences barriers markers have been around as long as mankind and they are not all bad.
If I've got six healthy cows and I have to build a barrier to keep your sick unhealthy and usually short lived cows separated from them I will build that barrier. When I want to protect my chickens from the fox I will build fences.
When I want to keep some thieving bastard out of my house or car I'll use locks.
When someone wants to overthrow my peaceful kingdom I'll build castles and walls.
If I have an open wound I'll do my best to place a barrier between my body and any potential invaders ....,.

Fuck me I don't half write some shite ....


If only more men were so self aware. :thumbsup:

Re: Argentina will use no-deal Brexit to take back Falkland Isla

Post by Dean » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:40 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:Borders fences barriers markers have been around as long as mankind and they are not all bad.
If I've got six healthy cows and I have to build a barrier to keep your sick unhealthy and usually short lived cows separated from them I will build that barrier. When I want to protect my chickens from the fox I will build fences.
When I want to keep some thieving bastard out of my house or car I'll use locks.
When someone wants to overthrow my peaceful kingdom I'll build castles and walls.
If I have an open wound I'll do my best to place a barrier between my body and any potential invaders ....,.

Fuck me I don't half write some shite ....


:pmsl: :pmsl: :pmsl:

Absolute legend!

Re: Argentina will use no-deal Brexit to take back Falkland Isla

Post by Rolluplostinspace » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:24 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:Borders fences barriers markers have been around as long as mankind and they are not all bad.
If I've got six healthy cows and I have to build a barrier to keep your sick unhealthy and usually short lived cows separated from them I will build that barrier. When I want to protect my chickens from the fox I will build fences.
When I want to keep some thieving bastard out of my house or car I'll use locks.
When someone wants to overthrow my peaceful kingdom I'll build castles and walls.
If I have an open wound I'll do my best to place a barrier between my body and any potential invaders ....,.

Fuck me I don't half write some shite ....

Re: Argentina will use no-deal Brexit to take back Falkland Isla

Post by Rolluplostinspace » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:53 pm

Borders fences barriers markers have been around as long as mankind and they are not all bad.
If I've got six healthy cows and I have to build a barrier to keep your sick unhealthy and usually short lived cows separated from them I will build that barrier. When I want to protect my chickens from the fox I will build fences.
When I want to keep some thieving bastard out of my house or car I'll use locks.
When someone wants to overthrow my peaceful kingdom I'll build castles and walls.
If I have an open wound I'll do my best to place a barrier between my body and any potential invaders ....,.

Re: Argentina will use no-deal Brexit to take back Falkland Isla

Post by Cannydc » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:03 pm

art0hur0moh wrote:Personally I don't give a flying fuck! that is till an argument was started! Your borders, fences, and walls have done far more harm to Humanity than any wmd could ever possibly do! it is divisive and encourages the dehumanization and murder of Women and Children. and I am fucking sick to the back teeth of this imposed tyranny of willful ignorance!!


I'll get someone local to put your toys back into your pram, Art.

Re: Argentina will use no-deal Brexit to take back Falkland Isla

Post by art0hur0moh » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:39 pm

Personally I don't give a flying fuck! that is till an argument was started! Your borders, fences, and walls have done far more harm to Humanity than any wmd could ever possibly do! it is divisive and encourages the dehumanization and murder of Women and Children. and I am fucking sick to the back teeth of this imposed tyranny of willful ignorance!!

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