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Re: Do you think we are headed for no deal?

Post by Grafenwalder » Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:45 am

YouGov polls surveyed over 14th/15th November showing a huge shift to Remain EU but also includes polling on many other serious matters from broken promises, standard of living, NHS, to the comically absurd "taking back control".

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/c ... Snap_w.pdf

Re: Do you think we are headed for no deal?

Post by Stooo » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:59 pm

T. May on the Nick Ferrari show at around eight in the morning tomorrow on LBC https://www.lbc.co.uk/

They have an app but it's pretty bad...

Re: Do you think we are headed for no deal?

Post by Grafenwalder » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:49 pm

Stooo wrote:
McAz wrote:
I was told the old racists would die out soon when I was young. They did, but only to be replaced by young racists.

Other than that I agree with you.


When there's an open garage with a massive third reich flag pinned to the back of it, it makes me pause for a bit before knocking the door.

Tbh i'd rather that than how some neo-Nazi in Germany move around today. Alec Guinness' description is spot on.

Re: Do you think we are headed for no deal?

Post by McAz » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:35 pm

Stooo wrote:
McAz wrote:
I was told the old racists would die out soon when I was young. They did, but only to be replaced by young racists.

Other than that I agree with you.


When there's an open garage with a massive third reich flag pinned to the back of it, it makes me pause for a bit before knocking the door.

I've never seen such a thing - I would pause also. :ooer:

Re: Do you think we are headed for no deal?

Post by Stooo » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:33 pm

McAz wrote:
I was told the old racists would die out soon when I was young. They did, but only to be replaced by young racists.

Other than that I agree with you.


When there's an open garage with a massive third reich flag pinned to the back of it, it makes me pause for a bit before knocking the door.

Re: Do you think we are headed for no deal?

Post by McAz » Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:12 am

Grafenwalder wrote:
McAz wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:You think every leave voter was voting solely on race issues?

No, not at all. But I believe fear of Johnny Foreigner is what swung it - and so did Farage and co.

And the Mooslims..as Barnsley man reminded everyone! :roll:



Oh yes, them too - you couldn't spit on here a couple of years back for anti-Muslim vitriol.

Re: Do you think we are headed for no deal?

Post by Grafenwalder » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:59 am

McAz wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:You think every leave voter was voting solely on race issues?

No, not at all. But I believe fear of Johnny Foreigner is what swung it - and so did Farage and co.

And the Mooslims..as Barnsley man reminded everyone! :roll:

Re: Do you think we are headed for no deal?

Post by Grafenwalder » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:54 am

Lady Murasaki wrote:
Grafenwalder wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:Yeah, the fear tactic, they do it because it works. It may have tipped the balance in the ref but racism wasn’t at the heart of most leavers that I know of.

I'm afraid it was and still is for those i've come across, thankfully not personally but via forum postings many of which were utterly vile both pre and post ref. Once the result was in it was 'open season' for racists. Also saw some pretty vile clips posted up on YT.


Personally is what I’m talking about. Some who believed in leaving didn’t vote because of the way it was hijacked by the racist mouthpieces.

The only ones i know personally are something of an embarrassment, not so much for me but my daughter-in-law. Living in London i'd assumed all had voted Remain but her mother, step-father and sister voted leave, her father, brother and one of her step-brothers voted Remain. So it's split her family and politics are no longer up for discussion at family barbeques etc!

Re: Do you think we are headed for no deal?

Post by Rolluplostinspace » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:29 am

Call them in one at a time and show them the info on them in the paedo files that were supposed to be lost.

Re: Do you think we are headed for no deal?

Post by McAz » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:09 am

Lady Murasaki wrote:You think every leave voter was voting solely on race issues?

No, not at all. But I believe fear of Johnny Foreigner is what swung it - and so did Farage and co.

Re: Do you think we are headed for no deal?

Post by Lady Murasaki » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:02 am

McAz wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:
McAz wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:
McAz wrote:
No it's not a surprise - I have never bought into the myth that racism in Britain was on the decline - Brexit confirms my belief.

The financial crisis and austerity had/has nothing to do with immigrants, any more than the Jews were the cause of Germany's problems pre-Third Reich.


But it’s not going to stop certain people/politicians from using that fear of foreigners to achieve their own agendas, it’s disappointing and it’s worth staying vigilant of far right sentiments but despite some knuckle draggers feeling empowered enough to be openly racist post ref, the far right haven’t really gained much ground here.
The old racists will die out soon. :woteva:


I was told the old racists would die out soon when I was young. They did, but only to be replaced by young racists.

Other than that I agree with you.


They’re trickling out ... 52%, and many of them weren’t voting leave because they fear a brown face.


I regret I don't share your analysis or your optimism.


You think every leave voter was voting solely on race issues?

Re: Do you think we are headed for no deal?

Post by Lady Murasaki » Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:58 pm

Grafenwalder wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:Yeah, the fear tactic, they do it because it works. It may have tipped the balance in the ref but racism wasn’t at the heart of most leavers that I know of.

I'm afraid it was and still is for those i've come across, thankfully not personally but via forum postings many of which were utterly vile both pre and post ref. Once the result was in it was 'open season' for racists. Also saw some pretty vile clips posted up on YT.


Personally is what I’m talking about. Some who believed in leaving didn’t vote because of the way it was hijacked by the racist mouthpieces.

Re: Do you think we are headed for no deal?

Post by McAz » Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:49 pm

Lady Murasaki wrote:
McAz wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:
McAz wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:
Is that such a big surprise after the financial crisis and years of austerity?
Anti immigration sentiment did particularly well outside of London, in places that were struggling, or felt they were struggling. Blaming immigration was the easy option.


No it's not a surprise - I have never bought into the myth that racism in Britain was on the decline - Brexit confirms my belief.

The financial crisis and austerity had/has nothing to do with immigrants, any more than the Jews were the cause of Germany's problems pre-Third Reich.


But it’s not going to stop certain people/politicians from using that fear of foreigners to achieve their own agendas, it’s disappointing and it’s worth staying vigilant of far right sentiments but despite some knuckle draggers feeling empowered enough to be openly racist post ref, the far right haven’t really gained much ground here.
The old racists will die out soon. :woteva:


I was told the old racists would die out soon when I was young. They did, but only to be replaced by young racists.

Other than that I agree with you.


They’re trickling out ... 52%, and many of them weren’t voting leave because they fear a brown face.


I regret I don't share your analysis or your optimism.

Re: Do you think we are headed for no deal?

Post by Grafenwalder » Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:47 pm

Lady Murasaki wrote:Yeah, the fear tactic, they do it because it works. It may have tipped the balance in the ref but racism wasn’t at the heart of most leavers that I know of.

I'm afraid it was and still is for those i've come across, thankfully not personally but via forum postings many of which were utterly vile both pre and post ref. Once the result was in it was 'open season' for racists. Also saw some pretty vile clips posted up on YT.

Re: Do you think we are headed for no deal?

Post by Lady Murasaki » Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:38 pm

McAz wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:
McAz wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:
Is that such a big surprise after the financial crisis and years of austerity?
Anti immigration sentiment did particularly well outside of London, in places that were struggling, or felt they were struggling. Blaming immigration was the easy option.


No it's not a surprise - I have never bought into the myth that racism in Britain was on the decline - Brexit confirms my belief.

The financial crisis and austerity had/has nothing to do with immigrants, any more than the Jews were the cause of Germany's problems pre-Third Reich.


But it’s not going to stop certain people/politicians from using that fear of foreigners to achieve their own agendas, it’s disappointing and it’s worth staying vigilant of far right sentiments but despite some knuckle draggers feeling empowered enough to be openly racist post ref, the far right haven’t really gained much ground here.
The old racists will die out soon. :woteva:


I was told the old racists would die out soon when I was young. They did, but only to be replaced by young racists.

Other than that I agree with you.


They’re trickling out ... 52%, and many of them weren’t voting leave because they fear a brown face.

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