by Maddog » Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:40 am
MungoBrush wrote:Maddog wrote:All of those are good questions that will likely never be answered, because unfortunately we have no legal mechanism to allow for us to leave, and an illegal secession would probably destroy the state.
There's an article here that I found about that, but unfortunately, because it knows I'm in Europe, I'm barred from reading it:
https://www.dallasnews.com/life/curious ... vestigates
From the link.
According to Sanford Levinson, a University of Texas government professor, the simple answer is that no, Texas cannot secede because states do not have that right.
The Supreme Court directly addressed the secession question in Texas vs. White in 1868. The court held that individual states could not secede from the Union.
"When Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation," Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase wrote in that decision. "The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States."We have a nationalist movement, and it's fairly strong, but I don't think polls have ever put the numbers wanting to leave much above about 10%.
And with so many new folks moving here every day, I don't see it gaining much strength, unless the wheels start to fall off the country. And even then, the Feds are going to want to hang on to Texas, by force if necessary.
Now territories are different. Puerto Rico could probably become a sovereign nation, but they are on the teet of the country and would never do that.
[quote="MungoBrush"][quote="Maddog"]All of those are good questions that will likely never be answered, because unfortunately we have no legal mechanism to allow for us to leave, and an illegal secession would probably destroy the state.[/quote]
There's an article here that I found about that, but unfortunately, because it knows I'm in Europe, I'm barred from reading it:
https://www.dallasnews.com/life/curious-texas/2018/08/01/texas-actually-right-secede-united-states-curious-texas-investigates[/quote]
From the link.
[i]According to Sanford Levinson, a University of Texas government professor, the simple answer is that no, Texas cannot secede because states do not have that right.
The Supreme Court directly addressed the secession question in Texas vs. White in 1868. The court held that individual states could not secede from the Union.
"When Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation," Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase wrote in that decision. "The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States."[/i]
We have a nationalist movement, and it's fairly strong, but I don't think polls have ever put the numbers wanting to leave much above about 10%.
And with so many new folks moving here every day, I don't see it gaining much strength, unless the wheels start to fall off the country. And even then, the Feds are going to want to hang on to Texas, by force if necessary.
Now territories are different. Puerto Rico could probably become a sovereign nation, but they are on the teet of the country and would never do that.
