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Re: Coup in Venezuela

Post by LordRaven » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:36 pm

Big Fat Frosty wrote:i see Donald Trump is willing to aid the Colombians...
where would america get its cocaine from
if venezuela go to war with them..
:dunno:


Oh please no! We really don't need a war over in South America

Re: Coup in Venezuela

Post by Big Fat Frosty » Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:28 pm

i see Donald Trump is willing to aid the Colombians...
where would america get its cocaine from
if venezuela go to war with them..
:dunno:

Re: Coup in Venezuela

Post by wutang » Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:21 pm

Venezuela's Guaidó pictured with members of Colombian gang

Juan Guaidó, the Venezuelan politician fighting to topple Nicolás Maduro, is facing awkward questions about his relationship with organised crime after the publication of compromising photographs showing him with two Colombian paramilitaries.

In an interview on Friday, Guaidó played down the significance of the pictures, in which he posed alongside two members of the Colombian criminal gang the Rastrojos identified as El Brother and El Menor.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... sed-groups


The Rastrojos are a drug-trafficking group with paramilitary origins who operate on both sides of the Colombia-Venezuela border. As well as the cocaine trade, they are engaged in illegal mining, kidnapping for ransom and extortion.


Nice friends

Re: Coup in Venezuela

Post by Fletch » Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:37 pm

Food Shipment Destined For Venezuela Seized Due to US Blockade

The ship was seized in the Panama canal according to the Venezuela government.

Venezuela’s Vicepresident Delcy Rodriguez denounced Wednesday that a ship containing 25 thousand tonnes of Soya has been seized in the Panama Canal due to the U.S. blockade while calling on the United Nations to take action against the "serious aggression" that impede Venezuela "right to food".

"Venezuela denounces before the world that a boat that holds 25 thousand tons of Soya, for food production in our country, has been seized in the Panama Canal, due to the criminal blockade imposed by Donald Trump," the vice president said in a tweet.

"Venezuela calls on the UN to stop this serious aggression by DonaldTrump's govt against our country, which constitutes a massive violation of the human rights of the entire Venezuelan people, by attempting to impede their right to food."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/52057.htm

When did starving people become lawful?

What rights have the US got to detain shipping in international waters (recognised international shipping waters)?

Re: Coup in Venezuela

Post by Rockstar » Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:07 pm

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Re: Coup in Venezuela

Post by Fletch » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:56 pm

Trump imposes economic embargo against Venezuela

First-ever expanded sanctions against a western hemisphere government in over 30 years similar to those faced by Cuba.

US President Donald Trump has signed an executive order imposing an economic embargo against Venezuela, in the latest move against President Nicolas Maduro and his government.

The order, signed late on Monday, freezes all Venezuelan government assets in the United States and barred transactions with its authorities.

Trump took the step "in light of the continued usurpation of power by Nicolas Maduro and persons affiliated with him, as well as human rights abuses", according to the order.

The Wall Street Journal said the move was the first against a western hemisphere government in over 30 years, and imposes on Caracas restrictions similar to those faced by North Korea, Iran, Syria and Cuba.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/08/ ... 07778.html

On what grounds/evidence?

On what authority?

Who is joining the US with applying sanctiones to Venezuela?

Re: Coup in Venezuela

Post by LordRaven » Wed May 08, 2019 7:59 am

LordRaven wrote:
Fletch wrote:Fake news alert: CNN says Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido ‘won election in January’

CNN took the concept of “fake news” to a whole new level with a recent report on Venezuela, in which it claimed that citizens “chose” coup leader Juan Guaido over current president Nicolas Maduro in January “elections.”
In a report on Sunday’s deadly Venezuelan military helicopter crash, CNN wrote that “pressure is mounting” on Maduro to step down “following elections in January in which voters chose opposition leader Juan Guaido over him for president.”

Slight problem there, CNN.

Venezuela did not hold elections in January — and Guaido definitely did not win them. He did, however, try to seize power from Maduro by force in January with US backing — and then again in April. Both coup attempts failed and Maduro remains president with the support of millions of Venezuelans who still back him. But US officials have declared the Washington-friendly Guaido the country’s “legitimate” leader, so evidently this has been a confusing time for CNN’s intrepid reporters.



https://southfront.org/fake-news-alert- ... n-january/

:pmsl:

This is the sort of shit the mainliners on here regurgitate and claim as fact. :pointlaugh:

Ah but, it's the sites Jack and I use that are bullshit...

South Front – Russia Hiding Being Russian

The website Southfront.org is focusing on news on security issues, foreign policy, military analysis and reports on military hardware. According to the Mission Statement, the site is produced by a “team of experts and volunteers from the four corners of the Earth“. The site attacks the “Mainstream Media” for hiding the “truth behind the causes that provoke the various conflicts facing the world today“. The site is professionally designed and registered in Moscow, at the Domain Name Registrar Reg.ru.

South Front is frequently featured in our database of cases of disinformation. In the summer of 2018, the site claimed Ukraine was planning a massacre on a EU delegation, visiting an area, close to separatist-held territories. Anything published on the South Front is carefully following the Kremlin Talking Points; for instance sharing verbatim the statement of the Russian MFA Spokesperson Mariya Zakharova on the fifth anniversary of the illegal annexation of Crimea.

This is Moscow talking

So, what’s the big deal with Russian sites sharing Kremlin official statements? What is interesting here is not Southfront’s loyalty to Russian state policies, but the fact that the site attempts to hide the fact that it is registered and managed in Russia. In a way, it works a little like money washing. The use of the English language and of channels outside Russia makes the disinformation more appealing. Some of those relaying the stories might even be unaware of the Russian origin of the shared link.

March 12 South Front.org published a video, labelled “Venezuela Blackout: Cyber Attacks, Sabotage and Mighty Intelligence“. Later the same day, the video appeared on Zero Hedge – a site generally devoted to news on economy and finance, but since 2014 has assumed a strong line of support to Russian foreign policy ambitions. Canadian conspiracy theory site Global Resarch was also quick to publish the video; so did the Libertarian The Daily Coin. Several other sites in other languages also published the South Front Video.

A story about Moscow delivering a “Red Line Warning to Trump” appearing on a site, devoted to “alternative media”, marking the source of the text as Zero Hedge – signed by the pseudonym Tyler Durden. Zero Hedge gives South Front as its source, where we find out that the article originally was written for the Moscow based Strategic Culture Foundation.

https://euvsdisinfo.eu/south-front-russ ... g-russian/

Fake News Felch! :gigglesnshit:

Bumped for Felch! Try and read and understand where your "supposed non-fake news" comes from you Kremlin puppet wanker :hand:

Re: Coup in Venezuela

Post by Fletch » Tue May 07, 2019 8:01 pm

East StratCom Task Force

The East Stratcom Team is intended to develop dedicated communication material on priority issues, where EU strategic communication needs to be improved or the EU is subject to disinformation campaigns. Such products will be put at the disposal of the EU's political leadership, press services, EU delegations and EU Member States and are intended for the widest possible public audience.[4] The Team is designated to develop communication campaigns, targeting key audiences and focused on specific issues of relevance to those audiences, including local issues. The actions of the East Stratcom Team are built on existing work and coherent with wider EU communication efforts, including activities of the EU institutions and EU Member States.[2]

EU Member State Governments have strongly supported the Task Force since its inception and provide the majority of its staff.

The European Parliament has consistently supported the Task Force and called for adequate staffing and resourcing. An EP preparatory action for 2018 – "StratCom Plus" - has allocated €1.1m for the team to focus on how to counter disinformation on the EU more systematically.[8]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_StratCom_Task_Force

FFS raven, you really are clueless. You use the very establishments being criticised and exposed to support the position that the alternative news sites sites must be lying.

Back to the CNN article claiming Guaido won in January. A lie just like when they told their viewers it was illegal to read wikileaks.

And to try and distract, you use the same establishment media to try and blacken the name of the alternative media. What a fucking clown.

Re: Coup in Venezuela

Post by Fletch » Tue May 07, 2019 7:15 pm

Where does it state it's fake news then raven? :dunno:

BTW, that's some site you're getting your info from! :pointlaugh:

Disclaimer

The Disinformation Review focuses on key messages carried in the international information space, which have been identified as providing a partial, distorted or false view or interpretation and spreading key pro-Kremlin messaging. It does not necessarily imply, however, that the outlet concerned is linked to the Kremlin or pro-Kremlin, or that it has intentionally sought to disinform.

The Review is a compilation of cases from the East Stratcom Task Force’s wide network of contributors and is therefore not considered an official EU position. Likewise, the news articles are based on the analysis of the East Stratcom Task Force, so information and opinions expressed are not considered an official EU position.

:shake head:

Re: Coup in Venezuela

Post by LordRaven » Tue May 07, 2019 12:39 pm

Fletch wrote:Fake news alert: CNN says Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido ‘won election in January’

CNN took the concept of “fake news” to a whole new level with a recent report on Venezuela, in which it claimed that citizens “chose” coup leader Juan Guaido over current president Nicolas Maduro in January “elections.”
In a report on Sunday’s deadly Venezuelan military helicopter crash, CNN wrote that “pressure is mounting” on Maduro to step down “following elections in January in which voters chose opposition leader Juan Guaido over him for president.”

Slight problem there, CNN.

Venezuela did not hold elections in January — and Guaido definitely did not win them. He did, however, try to seize power from Maduro by force in January with US backing — and then again in April. Both coup attempts failed and Maduro remains president with the support of millions of Venezuelans who still back him. But US officials have declared the Washington-friendly Guaido the country’s “legitimate” leader, so evidently this has been a confusing time for CNN’s intrepid reporters.



https://southfront.org/fake-news-alert- ... n-january/

:pmsl:

This is the sort of shit the mainliners on here regurgitate and claim as fact. :pointlaugh:

Ah but, it's the sites Jack and I use that are bullshit...

South Front – Russia Hiding Being Russian

The website Southfront.org is focusing on news on security issues, foreign policy, military analysis and reports on military hardware. According to the Mission Statement, the site is produced by a “team of experts and volunteers from the four corners of the Earth“. The site attacks the “Mainstream Media” for hiding the “truth behind the causes that provoke the various conflicts facing the world today“. The site is professionally designed and registered in Moscow, at the Domain Name Registrar Reg.ru.

South Front is frequently featured in our database of cases of disinformation. In the summer of 2018, the site claimed Ukraine was planning a massacre on a EU delegation, visiting an area, close to separatist-held territories. Anything published on the South Front is carefully following the Kremlin Talking Points; for instance sharing verbatim the statement of the Russian MFA Spokesperson Mariya Zakharova on the fifth anniversary of the illegal annexation of Crimea.

This is Moscow talking

So, what’s the big deal with Russian sites sharing Kremlin official statements? What is interesting here is not Southfront’s loyalty to Russian state policies, but the fact that the site attempts to hide the fact that it is registered and managed in Russia. In a way, it works a little like money washing. The use of the English language and of channels outside Russia makes the disinformation more appealing. Some of those relaying the stories might even be unaware of the Russian origin of the shared link.

March 12 South Front.org published a video, labelled “Venezuela Blackout: Cyber Attacks, Sabotage and Mighty Intelligence“. Later the same day, the video appeared on Zero Hedge – a site generally devoted to news on economy and finance, but since 2014 has assumed a strong line of support to Russian foreign policy ambitions. Canadian conspiracy theory site Global Resarch was also quick to publish the video; so did the Libertarian The Daily Coin. Several other sites in other languages also published the South Front Video.

A story about Moscow delivering a “Red Line Warning to Trump” appearing on a site, devoted to “alternative media”, marking the source of the text as Zero Hedge – signed by the pseudonym Tyler Durden. Zero Hedge gives South Front as its source, where we find out that the article originally was written for the Moscow based Strategic Culture Foundation.

https://euvsdisinfo.eu/south-front-russ ... g-russian/

Fake News Felch! :gigglesnshit:

Re: Coup in Venezuela

Post by Fletch » Tue May 07, 2019 12:21 pm

Fake news alert: CNN says Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido ‘won election in January’

CNN took the concept of “fake news” to a whole new level with a recent report on Venezuela, in which it claimed that citizens “chose” coup leader Juan Guaido over current president Nicolas Maduro in January “elections.”
In a report on Sunday’s deadly Venezuelan military helicopter crash, CNN wrote that “pressure is mounting” on Maduro to step down “following elections in January in which voters chose opposition leader Juan Guaido over him for president.”

Slight problem there, CNN.

Venezuela did not hold elections in January — and Guaido definitely did not win them. He did, however, try to seize power from Maduro by force in January with US backing — and then again in April. Both coup attempts failed and Maduro remains president with the support of millions of Venezuelans who still back him. But US officials have declared the Washington-friendly Guaido the country’s “legitimate” leader, so evidently this has been a confusing time for CNN’s intrepid reporters.



https://southfront.org/fake-news-alert- ... n-january/

:pmsl:

This is the sort of shit the mainliners on here regurgitate and claim as fact. :pointlaugh:

Ah but, it's the sites Jack and I use that are bullshit...

Re: Coup in Venezuela

Post by LordRaven » Mon May 06, 2019 12:51 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:[

You really do believe any old shit posted by any CT sorts who's crap satisfies your hunger for anything involving the Great Satan. :gigglesnshit:
Fuck off to a Muslim Country, get trained to wear a backpack and get back to us with your thoughts on what wonderful people they are.
:Hiya:

Did Gaddafi dish out a million Kalashnikovs to his people who you were convinced he was attacking?
Did the enemies of Gadaffi turn out to be extreme Islamists backed by the west?
Did the chemical attacks in Syria prove to be bullshit and false flags?
Seeing as they now boast they killed Osama Bin Laden does it not tell you they were never looking for him in a cave in Afghanistan and if that was the reason they now have no reason to stay there?
Do you believe General Wesley Clark told us in advance which countries would be getting taken down whatever they did or didn't do and no matter what stories the MSM were told to publish?
Did you ever read the published information regarding The New American Century?
Written by the men who came to hold the most powerful positions in the American government along with GWB?
Did you hear the broadcasts from Bush and his team about now being the only superpower?
The New American Century would consist of wars for a generation or perpetual war leading to full spectrum dominance of the world .... air space land sea economics?
Were the people publishing these things CT people from the internet?
Were the people broadcasting speeches regarding this stuff powerful American government people or people like me and Fletch?
Did GWB tell us something very important about elections when he said this means war for a generation possibly perpetual war?
Was that something the fact that no matter who you voted for no matter which party sat in the White House the war plans would not be disturbed?[/quote]
Gullible CT idiot! :shake head:[/quote]
So you didn't see and hear this stuff published and broadcast from government people and you have the nerve to come to a political forum![/quote]
Political Forum? :pmsl:
Please try and get a sense of perspective ffs!
Small wonder you get all worked up over nothing.[/quote]


So you didn't see and hear this stuff published and broadcast from government people on the MSM globally?
Have you seen the title of this particular forum?[/quote]

Try to not mess up the quotes

Re: Coup in Venezuela

Post by Rolluplostinspace » Mon May 06, 2019 10:28 am

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You really do believe any old shit posted by any CT sorts who's crap satisfies your hunger for anything involving the Great Satan. :gigglesnshit:
Fuck off to a Muslim Country, get trained to wear a backpack and get back to us with your thoughts on what wonderful people they are.
:Hiya:[/quote]
Did Gaddafi dish out a million Kalashnikovs to his people who you were convinced he was attacking?
Did the enemies of Gadaffi turn out to be extreme Islamists backed by the west?
Did the chemical attacks in Syria prove to be bullshit and false flags?
Seeing as they now boast they killed Osama Bin Laden does it not tell you they were never looking for him in a cave in Afghanistan and if that was the reason they now have no reason to stay there?
Do you believe General Wesley Clark told us in advance which countries would be getting taken down whatever they did or didn't do and no matter what stories the MSM were told to publish?
Did you ever read the published information regarding The New American Century?
Written by the men who came to hold the most powerful positions in the American government along with GWB?
Did you hear the broadcasts from Bush and his team about now being the only superpower?
The New American Century would consist of wars for a generation or perpetual war leading to full spectrum dominance of the world .... air space land sea economics?
Were the people publishing these things CT people from the internet?
Were the people broadcasting speeches regarding this stuff powerful American government people or people like me and Fletch?
Did GWB tell us something very important about elections when he said this means war for a generation possibly perpetual war?
Was that something the fact that no matter who you voted for no matter which party sat in the White House the war plans would not be disturbed?[/quote]
Gullible CT idiot! :shake head:[/quote]
So you didn't see and hear this stuff published and broadcast from government people and you have the nerve to come to a political forum![/quote]
Political Forum? :pmsl:
Please try and get a sense of perspective ffs!
Small wonder you get all worked up over nothing.[/quote]


So you didn't see and hear this stuff published and broadcast from government people on the MSM globally?
Have you seen the title of this particular forum?

Re: Coup in Venezuela

Post by LordRaven » Mon May 06, 2019 10:14 am

Rolluplostinspace wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
Fletch wrote:Leaked: USA’s Feb 2018 Plan for Coup in Venezuela

A detailed plan from “UNITED STATES SOUTHERN COMMAND” dated “23 FEBRUARY 2018” was issued with the title “PLAN TO OVERTHROW THE VENEZUELAN DICTATORSHIP ‘MASTERSTROKE’” and is here presented complete.

This document was personally signed by Admiral Kurt W. Tidd, who was the Commander (the chief), at SOUTHCOM, and he was thus the top U.S. military official handling Venezuela. But this was far more than just a military plan. It was comprehensive — directing military, diplomatic, and propaganda, policies — regarding the Trump Administration’s planned “Overthrow” of Venezuela’s Government. His plan has since guided the Administration’s entire operation, including “the capacities of the psychological war,” regarding Venezuela.

It instructed SOUTHCOM:

Encouraging popular dissatisfaction by increasing scarcity and rise in price of the foodstuffs, medicines and other essential goods for the inhabitants. Making more harrowing and painful the scarcities of the main basic merchandises.” …

intensifying the undercapitalization of the country, the leaking out of foreign currency and the deterioration of its monetary base, bringing about the application of new inflationary measures.” …

Fully obstruct imports, and at the same time discouraging potential foreign investors in order to make the situation more critical for the population.” …

compelling him to fall into mistakes that generate greater distrust and rejection domestically” …

To besiege him, to ridicule him and to pose him as symbol of awkwardness and incompetence. To expose him as a puppet of Cuba.” …

Appealing to domestic allies as well as other people inserted from abroad in the national scenario in order to generate protests, riots and insecurity, plunders, thefts, assaults and highjacking of vessels as well as other means of transportation, with the intention of deserting this country in crisis through all borderlands and other possible ways, jeopardizing in such a way the National Security of neighboring frontier nations. Causing victims and holding the Government responsible for them. Magnifying, in front of the world, the humanitarian crisis in which the country has been submitted to.”

Structuring a plan to get the profuse desertion of the most qualified professionals from the country, in order ‘to leave it with no professionals at all’, which will aggravate even more the internal situation and along these lines putting the blame on of Government.”

the presence of combat units from the United States of America and the other named countries, under the command of a Joint General Staff led by the USA.”

It was posted online at the Voltairenet site, and was first copied to a web archive on 14 May 2018. So, it has been online since at least that date. However, because the photo in it of the document wasn’t made available via software which includes the individual symbols, but presented only the full visual image of the paper document, it still hasn’t yet gone viral on the Web.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/51548.htm

Ah, but...Socialism...or something... :roll:


You really do believe any old shit posted by any CT sorts who's crap satisfies your hunger for anything involving the Great Satan. :gigglesnshit:
Fuck off to a Muslim Country, get trained to wear a backpack and get back to us with your thoughts on what wonderful people they are.
:Hiya:

Did Gaddafi dish out a million Kalashnikovs to his people who you were convinced he was attacking?
Did the enemies of Gadaffi turn out to be extreme Islamists backed by the west?
Did the chemical attacks in Syria prove to be bullshit and false flags?
Seeing as they now boast they killed Osama Bin Laden does it not tell you they were never looking for him in a cave in Afghanistan and if that was the reason they now have no reason to stay there?
Do you believe General Wesley Clark told us in advance which countries would be getting taken down whatever they did or didn't do and no matter what stories the MSM were told to publish?
Did you ever read the published information regarding The New American Century?
Written by the men who came to hold the most powerful positions in the American government along with GWB?
Did you hear the broadcasts from Bush and his team about now being the only superpower?
The New American Century would consist of wars for a generation or perpetual war leading to full spectrum dominance of the world .... air space land sea economics?
Were the people publishing these things CT people from the internet?
Were the people broadcasting speeches regarding this stuff powerful American government people or people like me and Fletch?
Did GWB tell us something very important about elections when he said this means war for a generation possibly perpetual war?
Was that something the fact that no matter who you voted for no matter which party sat in the White House the war plans would not be disturbed?

Gullible CT idiot! :shake head:

So you didn't see and hear this stuff published and broadcast from government people and you have the nerve to come to a political forum!

Political Forum? :pmsl:
Please try and get a sense of perspective ffs!
Small wonder you get all worked up over nothing.

Re: Coup in Venezuela

Post by Rolluplostinspace » Sun May 05, 2019 7:52 pm

LordRaven wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
Fletch wrote:Leaked: USA’s Feb 2018 Plan for Coup in Venezuela

A detailed plan from “UNITED STATES SOUTHERN COMMAND” dated “23 FEBRUARY 2018” was issued with the title “PLAN TO OVERTHROW THE VENEZUELAN DICTATORSHIP ‘MASTERSTROKE’” and is here presented complete.

This document was personally signed by Admiral Kurt W. Tidd, who was the Commander (the chief), at SOUTHCOM, and he was thus the top U.S. military official handling Venezuela. But this was far more than just a military plan. It was comprehensive — directing military, diplomatic, and propaganda, policies — regarding the Trump Administration’s planned “Overthrow” of Venezuela’s Government. His plan has since guided the Administration’s entire operation, including “the capacities of the psychological war,” regarding Venezuela.

It instructed SOUTHCOM:

Encouraging popular dissatisfaction by increasing scarcity and rise in price of the foodstuffs, medicines and other essential goods for the inhabitants. Making more harrowing and painful the scarcities of the main basic merchandises.” …

intensifying the undercapitalization of the country, the leaking out of foreign currency and the deterioration of its monetary base, bringing about the application of new inflationary measures.” …

Fully obstruct imports, and at the same time discouraging potential foreign investors in order to make the situation more critical for the population.” …

compelling him to fall into mistakes that generate greater distrust and rejection domestically” …

To besiege him, to ridicule him and to pose him as symbol of awkwardness and incompetence. To expose him as a puppet of Cuba.” …

Appealing to domestic allies as well as other people inserted from abroad in the national scenario in order to generate protests, riots and insecurity, plunders, thefts, assaults and highjacking of vessels as well as other means of transportation, with the intention of deserting this country in crisis through all borderlands and other possible ways, jeopardizing in such a way the National Security of neighboring frontier nations. Causing victims and holding the Government responsible for them. Magnifying, in front of the world, the humanitarian crisis in which the country has been submitted to.”

Structuring a plan to get the profuse desertion of the most qualified professionals from the country, in order ‘to leave it with no professionals at all’, which will aggravate even more the internal situation and along these lines putting the blame on of Government.”

the presence of combat units from the United States of America and the other named countries, under the command of a Joint General Staff led by the USA.”

It was posted online at the Voltairenet site, and was first copied to a web archive on 14 May 2018. So, it has been online since at least that date. However, because the photo in it of the document wasn’t made available via software which includes the individual symbols, but presented only the full visual image of the paper document, it still hasn’t yet gone viral on the Web.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/51548.htm

Ah, but...Socialism...or something... :roll:


You really do believe any old shit posted by any CT sorts who's crap satisfies your hunger for anything involving the Great Satan. :gigglesnshit:
Fuck off to a Muslim Country, get trained to wear a backpack and get back to us with your thoughts on what wonderful people they are.
:Hiya:

Did Gaddafi dish out a million Kalashnikovs to his people who you were convinced he was attacking?
Did the enemies of Gadaffi turn out to be extreme Islamists backed by the west?
Did the chemical attacks in Syria prove to be bullshit and false flags?
Seeing as they now boast they killed Osama Bin Laden does it not tell you they were never looking for him in a cave in Afghanistan and if that was the reason they now have no reason to stay there?
Do you believe General Wesley Clark told us in advance which countries would be getting taken down whatever they did or didn't do and no matter what stories the MSM were told to publish?
Did you ever read the published information regarding The New American Century?
Written by the men who came to hold the most powerful positions in the American government along with GWB?
Did you hear the broadcasts from Bush and his team about now being the only superpower?
The New American Century would consist of wars for a generation or perpetual war leading to full spectrum dominance of the world .... air space land sea economics?
Were the people publishing these things CT people from the internet?
Were the people broadcasting speeches regarding this stuff powerful American government people or people like me and Fletch?
Did GWB tell us something very important about elections when he said this means war for a generation possibly perpetual war?
Was that something the fact that no matter who you voted for no matter which party sat in the White House the war plans would not be disturbed?

Gullible CT idiot! :shake head:

So you didn't see and hear this stuff published and broadcast from government people and you have the nerve to come to a political forum!

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