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Re: Brexit Satire 2

Post by MungoBrush » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:38 am

wutang wrote:
jra wrote:If Article 50 is revoked, there isn't really much point in having it in a treaty. :dunno:

But, call me naive, I thought treaties were binding. :dunno:


Article 50 is binding including the part that says you can revoke it - i.e stop the process of leaving and stay.

If the leaving party no longer wants to leave its much better to have the leaving party simply say "we are no longer leaving" than have them leave and then apply to rejoin, which would kick start a lengthy and time consuming process (along with all the political wrangling that entails). Same way its easier sometimes for 2 parties to simply extend a contract than try to negotiate an entirely new one.


"The European Court of Justice (ECJ) ruling last year confirmed that the UK could revoke Article 50 itself, without having to ask the other 27 EU countries for permission.
It said that if it did, the UK could remain a member of the EU on the same terms including keeping its budget rebate.
But it did set some conditions.
The ruling said revocation should be "unequivocal and unconditional", suggesting that the UK could not simply revoke Article 50 in order to buy more time and then resubmit it at a later date."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47668466

Re: Brexit Satire 2

Post by wutang » Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:30 am

jra wrote:If Article 50 is revoked, there isn't really much point in having it in a treaty. :dunno:

But, call me naive, I thought treaties were binding. :dunno:


Article 50 is binding including the part that says you can revoke it - i.e stop the process of leaving and stay.

If the leaving party no longer wants to leave its much better to have the leaving party simply say "we are no longer leaving" than have them leave and then apply to rejoin, which would kick start a lengthy and time consuming process (along with all the political wrangling that entails). Same way its easier sometimes for 2 parties to simply extend a contract than try to negotiate an entirely new one.

Re: Brexit Satire 2

Post by jra » Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:33 am

Stooo wrote:
Grafenwalder wrote:
Cannydc wrote:2,750,513

And counting.

I wonder what number will actually make this government sit up and take notice.

Of course, the likes of Guido will claim there are a number of 'fake signatures' - but this represents an awful lot of Tory votes lost forever, no matter what.

BBC already trying to suggest 'bots' at work. Funny they weren't bothered about dodgy dealings in the Referendum and Brexit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-4 ... gn=bbcnews


The site introduced a signature system after the last large petition (4 million for another vote if remain won) and it was found to be flooded by Russian bots. There are five million emigrants living all over the world most of whom don't want to fuck up their careers/families/lifestyle/retirement home, and they are entitled to add their names to the petition.


Let's not confuse 'everybody signing the petition' with 'everybody signing the petition also has the right to vote'.

It is not possible to use the same email address more than once to sign the petition.


No doubt some people will have or have set up multiple e-mail addresses.

If Article 50 is revoked, there isn't really much point in having it in a treaty. :dunno:

But, call me naive, I thought treaties were binding. :dunno:

Re: Brexit Satire 2

Post by Grafenwalder » Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:28 am

In Brussels - 2017 vs 2019. Oh dear! :roll:

Re: Brexit Satire 2

Post by Grafenwalder » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:12 pm

Ready to print placards for marchers tomorrow. There's some right gems among them too!

Re: Brexit Satire 2

Post by Stooo » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:12 pm

B-but, those IP's that aren't Russian bots! :bawlin:

Re: Brexit Satire 2

Post by Cannydc » Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:37 pm

This isn't Brexit satire, this is full blown Brexit panic !!

The Guardian has obtained a copy of a secret planning document.


"The most important decisions in response to any potential crisis will be taken by the little-known European Union exit and trade (preparedness) subcommittee, which was set up in January, and is chaired by the prime minister.

That will have sweeping powers to intervene and order emergency measures, including mobilising the military, and getting rid of regulations if necessary"

Cabinet Office has told the local resilience forums that it wants them to immediately report certain types of information up the chain of command. This includes any signs of an increase in community tensions and hate crime, panic buying, protests and demonstrations.

“Central government is not providing leadership,” said the source. “At the moment we are trying to plan for everything. There is no direction of accountability. The response to a no-deal Brexit needs to be built from the bottom up.”


Looking great, Treeza,

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... eal-brexit

Re: Brexit Satire 2

Post by Stooo » Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:19 pm

Grafenwalder wrote:
Cannydc wrote:2,750,513

And counting.

I wonder what number will actually make this government sit up and take notice.

Of course, the likes of Guido will claim there are a number of 'fake signatures' - but this represents an awful lot of Tory votes lost forever, no matter what.

BBC already trying to suggest 'bots' at work. Funny they weren't bothered about dodgy dealings in the Referendum and Brexit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-4 ... gn=bbcnews


The site introduced a signature system after the last large petition (4 million for another vote if remain won) and it was found to be flooded by Russian bots. There are five million emigrants living all over the world most of whom don't want to fuck up their careers/families/lifestyle/retirement home, and they are entitled to add their names to the petition.

Re: Brexit Satire 2

Post by McAz » Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:14 pm

Grafenwalder wrote:
Cannydc wrote:2,750,513

And counting.

I wonder what number will actually make this government sit up and take notice.

Of course, the likes of Guido will claim there are a number of 'fake signatures' - but this represents an awful lot of Tory votes lost forever, no matter what.

BBC already trying to suggest 'bots' at work. Funny they weren't bothered about dodgy dealings in the Referendum and Brexit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-4 ... gn=bbcnews

But from the same link...

Cyber-security expert Kevin Beaumont said that while it was possible that bots were involved, it would be "a bit of a pain" to build a sophisticated enough programme to cope with the email addresses.

"They would have to make a bot that signs up with unique email addresses, then clicks the unique link to sign," he said.

The House of Commons declined to comment on its security checks but it did say the Government Digital Service uses "a number of techniques" to identify potentially fraudulent signatures and bot activity.

It is not possible to use the same email address more than once to sign the petition.

Re: Brexit Satire 2

Post by Grafenwalder » Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:08 pm

Cannydc wrote:2,750,513

And counting.

I wonder what number will actually make this government sit up and take notice.

Of course, the likes of Guido will claim there are a number of 'fake signatures' - but this represents an awful lot of Tory votes lost forever, no matter what.

BBC already trying to suggest 'bots' at work. Funny they weren't bothered about dodgy dealings in the Referendum and Brexit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-4 ... gn=bbcnews

Re: Brexit Satire 2

Post by McAz » Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:33 pm

3,500,000 in the next few minutes.

Experts confirm fraud highly unlikely. (BBC).

Re: Brexit Satire 2

Post by McAz » Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:29 pm

Brexit referendum was based on lies - Macron.

"We saw people say it would be easy and we see what it is
"They said it would be fast
"They said they would gain tens of millions of pounds
"I think many lies went into that campaign. "

Re: Brexit Satire 2

Post by McAz » Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:36 pm

MungoBrush wrote:
banana chewits wrote:
Cannydc wrote:2,750,513

And counting.

I wonder what number will actually make this government sit up and take notice.

Of course, the likes of Guido will claim there are a number of 'fake signatures' - but this represents an awful lot of Tory votes lost forever, no matter what.


i think andrea leadsom said they would take notice if it reached 17.4 million signatures.


When they do get to debate it - it will just be a regurgitation of the same old hype that we've been getting for the past 2 years.
The same tired old players chanting the same old worn-out rhetoric
Don't expect anything new to emerge
Don't expect any positive outcome.

No-one does.

Re: Brexit Satire 2

Post by MungoBrush » Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:35 pm

banana chewits wrote:
Cannydc wrote:2,750,513

And counting.

I wonder what number will actually make this government sit up and take notice.

Of course, the likes of Guido will claim there are a number of 'fake signatures' - but this represents an awful lot of Tory votes lost forever, no matter what.


i think andrea leadsom said they would take notice if it reached 17.4 million signatures.


When they do get to debate it - it will just be a regurgitation of the same old hype that we've been getting for the past 2 years.
The same tired old players chanting the same old worn-out rhetoric
Don't expect anything new to emerge
Don't expect any positive outcome.

Re: Brexit Satire 2

Post by McAz » Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:11 pm

Nigel Farage back in frontline politics as Brexit Party leader

[He] set up the Brexit Party last month in association with Ms Blaiklock.

She quit earlier this week after it emerged she had made derogatory comments about Islam and retweeted messages by the former English Defence Force leader Tommy Robinson and a former BNP activist


:yikes: Now why on earth would Nige do that...?


The politician, who has campaigned for decades for the UK to leave the EU and remains a member of the European Parliament.

....Ah, lovely jubbly.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47668067

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