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Fletch wrote:

Fletch wrote:

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Stooo wrote:
Of course, and on that note

Do you believe Epstein is Mossad?

Ehud Barak

Barak admitted that the pictures are indeed of him, blaming his bizarre attire on being cold, the 77-year-old claims that he has 'never met Epstein in the company of women or young girls'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... nsion.html

Epstein Was a Mossad Agent Used to Blackmail American Politicians, Says Former Israeli Spy

“They were agents of the Israeli Intelligence Services.”

Jeffrey Epstein was a Mossad asset who was used by Israeli intelligence to blackmail American politicians, according to a former Israeli spy.

Ari Ben-Menashe, a former Israeli spy and alleged “handler” of Robert Maxwell, told the authors of a new book, Epstein: Dead Men Tell No Tales, that Epstein ran a “complex intelligence operation” at the behest of Mossad.

Believing that Epstein planned to marry his daughter, Maxwell introduced him and Ghislaine Maxwell to Ben-Menashe’s Mossad circle.

“Maxwell sort of started liking him, and my theory is that Maxwell felt that this guy is going for his daughter,” Ben-Menashe said. “He felt that he could bless him with some work and help him out in like a paternal [way].”

Israeli intelligence bosses gave the green light and Epstein then became a Mossad asset.

“They were agents of the Israeli Intelligence Services,” said Ben-Menashe.

Worst kept secret of all time yet some on here didn't know?

Fletch wrote:

Fletch wrote:

Stooo wrote:
Of course, and on that note

Do you believe Epstein is Mossad?

Ehud Barak

Barak admitted that the pictures are indeed of him, blaming his bizarre attire on being cold, the 77-year-old claims that he has 'never met Epstein in the company of women or young girls'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... nsion.html

Jeffrey Epstein was a Mossad asset who was used by Israeli intelligence to blackmail American politicians, according to a former Israeli spy.

Ari Ben-Menashe, a former Israeli spy and alleged “handler” of Robert Maxwell, told the authors of a new book, Epstein: Dead Men Tell No Tales, that Epstein ran a “complex intelligence operation” at the behest of Mossad.

Believing that Epstein planned to marry his daughter, Maxwell introduced him and Ghislaine Maxwell to Ben-Menashe’s Mossad circle.

“Maxwell sort of started liking him, and my theory is that Maxwell felt that this guy is going for his daughter,” Ben-Menashe said. “He felt that he could bless him with some work and help him out in like a paternal [way].”

Israeli intelligence bosses gave the green light and Epstein then became a Mossad asset.

“They were agents of the Israeli Intelligence Services,” said Ben-Menashe.

Cannydc wrote:Standard operating procedures.

You aren't dead until a doctor certifies it, and in the meantime the attempts to preserve life are as much to avoid a lawsuit as to actually save him.

Cannydc wrote:Unlucky. This is from an ex-paramedic, just found.

"In practice, yes, paramedics declare death and note the time. Everywhere I have worked, though, a physician's name needed to be on the paperwork, so I'd make a call that went like this,
"Dr. Jones at [Base Hospital]."
"Hi, Dr. Jones. This is Paramedic Holmes with [EMS Agency/Unit]. I'm calling for a pronouncement of death. We are on scene with a 75-year-old female last seen three days ago by her daughter. Daughter came to check on her today and found her deceased on the bedroom floor. I find the patient supine, cold and mottled with dependent lividity. Obvious rigor in the extremities and jaw. Pupils are fixed and dilated. Absent heart tones. Asystole in all three leads. No CPR provided."
glances at the clock "Time of death 1643."

So it can happen, but in conjunction with a conversation with an off site doctor, and his signature must appear on the paperwork.

Further down....

"...once in awhile a doctor would have cold feet about the pronouncement and order the patient brought to the hospital. This is a colossal mess, especially if you've already told the family that their loved one is dead and you haven't been providing any care."

Not sure what US rules are though, with ref to Epstein.

https://www.quora.com/Can-paramedics-de ... e-of-death

Stooo wrote:

Cannydc wrote:

Fletch wrote:

Cannydc wrote:Only doctors can call death, as far as I know - certainly in the UK. That's why most car accident victims are certified Dead On Arrival (at hospital).

Stick to your CTs Fletch.

We get a giggle at how you fall for them every single time.

I'm not disputing that, I am disputing the idea that paramedics can't determine death and have to treat every dead patient they come across as being able to be revived. Presumably until they get to hospital and a Doctor sees them.

Bunkum.

It isn't bunkum. Try looking it up yourself for once, perhaps Google "Can paramedics pronounce death" - and learn something.

I've attended to a deceased person once paramedics had determined death. It was on a Sunday and I was on call. We had to wait for an hour for them to show up.

Cannydc wrote:

Fletch wrote:

Cannydc wrote:Only doctors can call death, as far as I know - certainly in the UK. That's why most car accident victims are certified Dead On Arrival (at hospital).

Stick to your CTs Fletch.

We get a giggle at how you fall for them every single time.

I'm not disputing that, I am disputing the idea that paramedics can't determine death and have to treat every dead patient they come across as being able to be revived. Presumably until they get to hospital and a Doctor sees them.

Bunkum.

It isn't bunkum. Try looking it up yourself for once, perhaps Google "Can paramedics pronounce death" - and learn something.

Cannydc wrote:

Fletch wrote:

Cannydc wrote:Only doctors can call death, as far as I know - certainly in the UK. That's why most car accident victims are certified Dead On Arrival (at hospital).

Stick to your CTs Fletch.

We get a giggle at how you fall for them every single time.

I'm not disputing that, I am disputing the idea that paramedics can't determine death and have to treat every dead patient they come across as being able to be revived. Presumably until they get to hospital and a Doctor sees them.

Bunkum.

It isn't bunkum. Try looking it up yourself for once, perhaps Google "Can paramedics pronounce death" - and learn something.

Fletch wrote:

Cannydc wrote:Only doctors can call death, as far as I know - certainly in the UK. That's why most car accident victims are certified Dead On Arrival (at hospital).

Stick to your CTs Fletch.

We get a giggle at how you fall for them every single time.

I'm not disputing that, I am disputing the idea that paramedics can't determine death and have to treat every dead patient they come across as being able to be revived. Presumably until they get to hospital and a Doctor sees them.

Bunkum.

Cannydc wrote:Only doctors can call death, as far as I know - certainly in the UK. That's why most car accident victims are certified Dead On Arrival (at hospital).

Stick to your CTs Fletch.

We get a giggle at how you fall for them every single time.

Cannydc wrote:

Fletch wrote:

Cannydc wrote:Standard operating procedures.

You aren't dead until a doctor certifies it, and in the meantime the attempts to preserve life are as much to avoid a lawsuit as to actually save him.

Hanging

1. Support the body to reduce constriction. Staff should be aware of the potential for injury to themselves from such a process, and should consider utilising any alternative methods of support, such as items of cell furniture (see manual handling guidelines).

2. Cut the prisoner down.

3. Cut and then release the ligature immediately the prisoner has been cut down, preserving the knot if possible.

4. Place the prisoner on his / her back on a flat, solid surface.

5. Check for signs of life, i.e. breathing, pulse, any movement of the body.

6. If not breathing and / or no pulse is present, clear airway and attempt resuscitation, using a face mask with non-return valve, unless rigor mortis of the limbs has clearly set in. (Rigor mortis is a condition of extreme stiffness affecting the arms and legs after death, making it virtually impossible to bend the wrists, elbows or knees).

7. If conscious / revived, place in recovery position.

https://bulger.co.uk/prison/SelfHarmPSA_2700.pdf