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Re: Betrayal of Britain.

Post by Guest » Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:48 pm

Cannydc wrote:"If the Conservatives and the Brexit party get their act together"

They have had years, and your statement tells all - they haven't managed it yet.

Nor will they - Fromage and Bojo have too big egos for that.

The Brexit party has not been around for years.

Re: Betrayal of Britain.

Post by Cannydc » Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:11 pm

"If the Conservatives and the Brexit party get their act together"

They have had years, and your statement tells all - they haven't managed it yet.

Nor will they - Fromage and Bojo have too big egos for that.

Re: Betrayal of Britain.

Post by Rocthedog » Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:56 pm

MungoBrush wrote:
Cannydc wrote:
MungoBrush wrote:
LordRaven wrote:I think so too, as David Steel once said to the Libdems "Go back to your constituencies and prepare for government :doomed:


Recent polls put Conservatives consistently ahead of Labour:

Pollster Con Lab LD Grn BXP Gap

ComRes 31% 27% 16% 4% 16% 4%
(+2) (-3) (nc) (-1) (+1)
Opinium 31% 28% 13% 5% 16% 3%
(+1) (nc) (-3) (nc) (+1)
Survation 28% 24% 21% 3% 15% 4%
(+5) (-5) (+2) (-3) (-5)
YouGov 31% 22% 21% 7% 14% 9%
(-1) (nc) (+2) (-1) (+1)
Ipsos-MORI 34% 24% 20% 6% 9% 10%
(+8) (nc) (-2) (-2) (-3)
Deltapoll 30% 25% 18% 4% 14% 5%
(+10) (-1) (+2) (-1) (-10)
BMG 28% 27% 18% 6% 14% 1%
(+2) (nc) (+1) (nc) (-4)

https://www.markpack.org.uk/155623/voti ... scorecard/


And not a single one of those polls will matter one iota if and when parties opposed to this shambolic government get their ducks in a row and recommend tactical voting.

Libdems will take dozens of seats off the Tories in constituencies where they are second, and a reciprocal arrangement for the Midlands and North will take them out there too.

And if you think that can't happen, remember Brecon and Radnorshire.


Oh.
Has Labour changed its Brexit policy again to support remain?


If the Conservatives and the Brexit party get their act together the corbynista party or the Limp Dumbshits will not get a look in. The Brecon vote only got the Limp dumbshits in the seat because both the Brexit party and the Conservatives stood against each other if the Brexit party had stood down. The results would have been very much different. The vote count for both of those parties together was far superior to the Limp Dumbshits go count if you do not believe me. Did anyone notice the Corbynista vote it disappeared right up Corbyns arse. I could not stop laughing.

Re: Betrayal of Britain.

Post by Rocthedog » Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:44 pm

Cannydc wrote:Britain must accept US food standards such as allowing chlorinated chicken and genetically modified crops as part of any post-Brexit trade deal, the head of America’s powerful farming lobby has said.

The comments from Zippy Duval, president of the American Farm Bureau, to the BBC came as British farmers demanded a referendum on any Brexit deal, warning they face “decimation” if the UK crashes out of the EU without an agreement.

The UK has been told by the American farming lobby that it must accept US standards such as allowing chlorinated chicken and the sale of genetically modified crops as part of a post-Brexit trade deal.

Zippy Duval, head of the American Farm Bureau, told the BBC that fears about US practices were not "science-based".


:pmsl: :pmsl: He sounds just like Trump.

Anyway, just another warning that pus laden milk, foodstuffs containing (permitted in US) rodent hairs, beetle bits etc, hormone polluted meat, many GM products and chlorinated chicken are on the way.


Another load of crap spouted by Canny, Question how many Brits visit the US every year 5 mill or near about. How many of them eat chicken, steak chips and other foods.
Oh shit, I wonder how many have died or been seriously ill when arriving back in the UK. I have eaten chicken, steaks, and plenty of other foods when there. Canny stop with the bullshit. I also point out Canada ships into their country Chicken, Steaks and other foods. I am there at least four times a year and eat what is on their menu's the Canadians don't seem to be dying around me when I visit. So shut up with your bullshit Canny.

Re: Betrayal of Britain.

Post by MungoBrush » Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:31 pm

Cannydc wrote:
MungoBrush wrote:
LordRaven wrote:I think so too, as David Steel once said to the Libdems "Go back to your constituencies and prepare for government :doomed:


Recent polls put Conservatives consistently ahead of Labour:

Pollster Con Lab LD Grn BXP Gap

ComRes 31% 27% 16% 4% 16% 4%
(+2) (-3) (nc) (-1) (+1)
Opinium 31% 28% 13% 5% 16% 3%
(+1) (nc) (-3) (nc) (+1)
Survation 28% 24% 21% 3% 15% 4%
(+5) (-5) (+2) (-3) (-5)
YouGov 31% 22% 21% 7% 14% 9%
(-1) (nc) (+2) (-1) (+1)
Ipsos-MORI 34% 24% 20% 6% 9% 10%
(+8) (nc) (-2) (-2) (-3)
Deltapoll 30% 25% 18% 4% 14% 5%
(+10) (-1) (+2) (-1) (-10)
BMG 28% 27% 18% 6% 14% 1%
(+2) (nc) (+1) (nc) (-4)

https://www.markpack.org.uk/155623/voti ... scorecard/


And not a single one of those polls will matter one iota if and when parties opposed to this shambolic government get their ducks in a row and recommend tactical voting.

Libdems will take dozens of seats off the Tories in constituencies where they are second, and a reciprocal arrangement for the Midlands and North will take them out there too.

And if you think that can't happen, remember Brecon and Radnorshire.


Oh.
Has Labour changed its Brexit policy again to support remain?

Re: Betrayal of Britain.

Post by Cannydc » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:13 pm

MungoBrush wrote:
LordRaven wrote:I think so too, as David Steel once said to the Libdems "Go back to your constituencies and prepare for government :doomed:


Recent polls put Conservatives consistently ahead of Labour:

Pollster Con Lab LD Grn BXP Gap

ComRes 31% 27% 16% 4% 16% 4%
(+2) (-3) (nc) (-1) (+1)
Opinium 31% 28% 13% 5% 16% 3%
(+1) (nc) (-3) (nc) (+1)
Survation 28% 24% 21% 3% 15% 4%
(+5) (-5) (+2) (-3) (-5)
YouGov 31% 22% 21% 7% 14% 9%
(-1) (nc) (+2) (-1) (+1)
Ipsos-MORI 34% 24% 20% 6% 9% 10%
(+8) (nc) (-2) (-2) (-3)
Deltapoll 30% 25% 18% 4% 14% 5%
(+10) (-1) (+2) (-1) (-10)
BMG 28% 27% 18% 6% 14% 1%
(+2) (nc) (+1) (nc) (-4)

https://www.markpack.org.uk/155623/voti ... scorecard/


And not a single one of those polls will matter one iota if and when parties opposed to this shambolic government get their ducks in a row and recommend tactical voting.

Libdems will take dozens of seats off the Tories in constituencies where they are second, and a reciprocal arrangement for the Midlands and North will take them out there too.

And if you think that can't happen, remember Brecon and Radnorshire.

Re: Betrayal of Britain.

Post by MungoBrush » Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:44 pm

LordRaven wrote:I think so too, as David Steel once said to the Libdems "Go back to your constituencies and prepare for government :doomed:


Recent polls put Conservatives consistently ahead of Labour:

Pollster Con Lab LD Grn BXP Gap

ComRes 31% 27% 16% 4% 16% 4%
(+2) (-3) (nc) (-1) (+1)
Opinium 31% 28% 13% 5% 16% 3%
(+1) (nc) (-3) (nc) (+1)
Survation 28% 24% 21% 3% 15% 4%
(+5) (-5) (+2) (-3) (-5)
YouGov 31% 22% 21% 7% 14% 9%
(-1) (nc) (+2) (-1) (+1)
Ipsos-MORI 34% 24% 20% 6% 9% 10%
(+8) (nc) (-2) (-2) (-3)
Deltapoll 30% 25% 18% 4% 14% 5%
(+10) (-1) (+2) (-1) (-10)
BMG 28% 27% 18% 6% 14% 1%
(+2) (nc) (+1) (nc) (-4)

https://www.markpack.org.uk/155623/voti ... scorecard/

Re: Betrayal of Britain.

Post by Fletch » Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:16 pm

The Average U.S. Farm Is $1,300,000 In Debt, And Now The Worst Farming Crisis In Modern History Is Upon Us

We haven’t seen anything like this since the Great Depression of the 1930s. Leading up to this year, farm incomes had been trending lower for most of the past decade, and meanwhile farm debt levels have been absolutely exploding. So U.S. farmers were desperate for a really good year, but instead 2019 has been a total disaster.

As I have been carefully documenting, due to endless rain and catastrophic flooding millions of acres of prime farmland didn’t get planted at all this year, and the yields on tens of millions of other acres are expected to be way, way below normal. As a result, we are facing the worst farming crisis in modern American history, and this comes at a time when U.S. farms are drowning in more debt than ever before. In fact, the latest numbers that we have show that the average U.S. farm is 1.3 million dollars in debt…


Debt-to-asset ratios are seeing the same squeeze, with more farms moving into a ratio exceeding 80%. Barrett notes each year since 2009 has seen an increase in the average amount of total debt among farmers, and 2017 was no exception. Average debt rose 10% to $1.3 million. The biggest increase was in long-term debt, such as land.

Farming in the 21st century has become an extraordinarily risky business, and countless U.S. farmers were already on the verge of going under even before we got to 2019.

Now that this year has been such a complete and utter disaster, many farms will not be able to operate once we get to 2020.

If the horrific weather and endless flooding wasn’t enough, about a week ago the Chinese government announced that they would be ending all “purchases of U.S. agricultural products”, and that was a devastating blow for farmers all over the nation.

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archiv ... is-upon-us

No wonder they are so keen to set up a deal with the UK.

Just say NO. :thumbsup:

Re: Betrayal of Britain.

Post by Fletch » Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:09 pm

Playing Role of Pesticide 'Cheerleader,' EPA Rebukes Calif. With Ban on Warning Labels for Roundup

"It's the Environmental Protection Agency, not the pesticide protection agency."

President Donald Trump's Environmental Protection Agency was accused of being a pesticide "cheerleader" last week after the agency said it would not approval labels that say that glyphosate—the active ingredient in Roundup and other weedkillers—is known to cause cancer.

In a statement released Thursday announcing the move, the EPA dug in on its assertion that glyphosate does not cause cancer, though critics have said that is "an industry-friendly conclusion that's simply not based on the best available science."

The new guidance takes aim at California's 2017 move, in adherence with its Proposition 65, to add glyphosate to its list of chemicals known to cause cancer and require warning labels. The state cited the World Health Organization's International Agency for Research on Cancer 2015 assessment that glyphosate is "probably carcinogenic to humans."

The EPA, however, said those labels provided consumers with false information.

"We will not allow California's flawed program to dictate federal policy," said EPA Administrator Andrew Wheeler in the statement.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/ ... ls-roundup

Boycott, Divestment, Sanction the US as well.

Re: Betrayal of Britain.

Post by Rolluplostinspace » Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:21 am

The size of American agriculture makes Britain's look like a small family farm.
Our farmers are going to be wiped out.
Wales Scotland many parts of England will see their farming communities destroyed and big ag take over everything.

Re: Betrayal of Britain.

Post by Cannydc » Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:48 am

Britain must accept US food standards such as allowing chlorinated chicken and genetically modified crops as part of any post-Brexit trade deal, the head of America’s powerful farming lobby has said.

The comments from Zippy Duval, president of the American Farm Bureau, to the BBC came as British farmers demanded a referendum on any Brexit deal, warning they face “decimation” if the UK crashes out of the EU without an agreement.

The UK has been told by the American farming lobby that it must accept US standards such as allowing chlorinated chicken and the sale of genetically modified crops as part of a post-Brexit trade deal.

Zippy Duval, head of the American Farm Bureau, told the BBC that fears about US practices were not "science-based".


:pmsl: :pmsl: He sounds just like Trump.

Anyway, just another warning that pus laden milk, foodstuffs containing (permitted in US) rodent hairs, beetle bits etc, hormone polluted meat, many GM products and chlorinated chicken are on the way.

Re: Betrayal of Britain.

Post by Cannydc » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:34 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:We're gonna crash and burn hard Brexit no deal .... Boris doesn't give a fuck about destroying the Tory party which won't happen anyway.


Absolutely.

If (and that's still a big if, despite Brexiteer bluster) we leave, it will imho be a big fat No Deal.

The EU will never allow the Backstop to be ditched, against the wishes of loyal members Ireland.

And as far as I am concerned, if it means the breakup of the UK, I can live with it. I can live with the country being fucked over by a hard Brexit too. Sometimes we have to learn harsh lessons brought on by our own stupid mistakes.

Boris and his mad right wing brigade will own the whole shooting match and it will probably mean the end of his kind of politics here for many years. Whether it takes a 'unity government' to do it, I care not - just let's get a government that will restore the status quo asap.

Re: Betrayal of Britain.

Post by Rolluplostinspace » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:20 pm

We're gonna crash and burn hard Brexit no deal .... Boris doesn't give a fuck about destroying the Tory party which won't happen anyway.

Re: Betrayal of Britain.

Post by Stooo » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:49 pm

McAz wrote:
Cannydc wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
Cannydc wrote:Some Tory MPs are very uncomfortable with the direction this cretin is taking the country, which places them on the horns of a dilemma. Do they vote in favour of the economic and spiritual good of the country and kick his arse out via a vote of no confidence and a general election - but that would mean many losing their seats as tactical voting will be king this time, or do they save their own skins, hang on for the ride, and the good of the country, the UK as an entity, and probably in the long run the end of the Tory party are the obvious consequences?

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news canny, but should anyone bring about a vote of no confidence against the PM, and he lose it. He can simply ignore it and call a GE after Oct 31st instead. By which time we will be out of the EU.

The Fixed Term Parliaments Act of 2011 would require the Queen to ask a senior politician (Corbyn for example) to form a parliament that confirms confidence, should a vote of no confidence succeed against Boris. Unfortunately for the likes of you though, the Act is silent on resignation, meaning Boris is under no obligation to resign should that happen, so can continue as PM, take us out of the EU, and then face a GE only after we are out.

Enjoy your remaining 11 weeks as an EU citizen. The clock is ticking :thumbsup:


And you must realise that in the unlikely event that he decides to barricade himself in No 10 in order to avoid the inevitable, he will also be destroying his party as an electoral force for decades to come ?

Meanwhile there will be plenty of 'men in grey suits' persuading him that such a course is foolhardy and suicidal.

Seems his options are severely limited, especially proroguing parliament - and No Deal will never get through as you might have noticed.

All the hurried policy announcements, the cancelling of holidays for staff, the severe shaking of the fabled money tree - all point to a General Election. Can't wait.

He's praying for a concession from the EU - any concession so that he can claim to have snatched a victory from May's jaws of defeat - he knows that a hard Brexit will fuck the Tories harder than it fucks the rest of us.

Frankly, if we are going to leave then bring it on as hard as possible.


Get used to phrases like 'micro deals' buzzwords for nothing will change :wink:

Re: Betrayal of Britain.

Post by LordRaven » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:42 pm

Red Okktober wrote:
Cannydc wrote:And you must realise that in the unlikely event that he decides to barricade himself in No 10 in order to avoid the inevitable, he will also be destroying his party as an electoral force for decades to come ?

Meanwhile there will be plenty of 'men in grey suits' persuading him that such a course is foolhardy and suicidal.

Seems his options are severely limited, especially proroguing parliament - and No Deal will never get through as you might have noticed.

All the hurried policy announcements, the cancelling of holidays for staff, the severe shaking of the fabled money tree - all point to a General Election. Can't wait.



Firstly, a vote of no confidence has to be brought about.

Secondly, Boris has to lose it.

Thirdly, he can ignore it anyway.

Your days of protesting against Leave are numbered - you have run out of options.

As it should be, democracy wins the day. :thumbsup:

And that will be good for us--how?

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