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Re: Britain slumps to bottom of cancer survival league tables

Post by LordRaven » Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:00 pm

Fletch wrote:
LordRaven wrote:I am not at all happy about the way Blair started it, Cameron continued it and so has everyone since, outsourcing and managers (not healthcare professionals --just bean counters) has done nothing but hamper healthcare, increase spending (on useless bean counting wankers) and caused enormous stress for the NHS and it's marvellous staff members --from All Over The World (god bless them all).


It started with Thatcher and her internal market. That carved the NHS up in to smaller competing parts, ideal for later selling off. And so it came to pass with Tories, New Labour and Lib Dems all complicit.

Neoliberalism is extreme capitalism. It's where the aim is zero public services and everything in the hands of private for profit entities. It doesn't matter how much it costs tax payers, as long as it goes to the selected few's private pockets. The lie of cheaper and better efficiency has been exposed for decades now, so much so that they don't even bother citing it as a reason any more. It's just become the norm. It's now a 'centrist' policy that very recently was considered an extreme policy. Centrist just meaning the status quo or desired direction of travel under neoliberalism. the msm do the rest to convince the public and hey presto, a 'centrist' ideology is born.

No party will get much support for doing away with it.

Re: Britain slumps to bottom of cancer survival league tables

Post by Fletch » Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:56 pm

LordRaven wrote:I am not at all happy about the way Blair started it, Cameron continued it and so has everyone since, outsourcing and managers (not healthcare professionals --just bean counters) has done nothing but hamper healthcare, increase spending (on useless bean counting wankers) and caused enormous stress for the NHS and it's marvellous staff members --from All Over The World (god bless them all).


It started with Thatcher and her internal market. That carved the NHS up in to smaller competing parts, ideal for later selling off. And so it came to pass with Tories, New Labour and Lib Dems all complicit.

Neoliberalism is extreme capitalism. It's where the aim is zero public services and everything in the hands of private for profit entities. It doesn't matter how much it costs tax payers, as long as it goes to the selected few's private pockets. The lie of cheaper and better efficiency has been exposed for decades now, so much so that they don't even bother citing it as a reason any more. It's just become the norm. It's now a 'centrist' policy that very recently was considered an extreme policy. Centrist just meaning the status quo or desired direction of travel under neoliberalism. the msm do the rest to convince the public and hey presto, a 'centrist' ideology is born.

Re: Britain slumps to bottom of cancer survival league tables

Post by LordRaven » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:23 pm

I am not at all happy about the way Blair started it, Cameron continued it and so has everyone since, outsourcing and managers (not healthcare professionals --just bean counters) has done nothing but hamper healthcare, increase spending (on useless bean counting wankers) and caused enormous stress for the NHS and it's marvellous staff members --from All Over The World (god bless them all).

Re: Britain slumps to bottom of cancer survival league tables

Post by Fletch » Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:45 pm

Ray of Sunshine wrote:Oh and apparently Australia has a "national health insurance" model, similar to Canada.

This is a system that has elements of both Beveridge and Bismarck.

And it seems to be working well as they have one of the best health services in the world.

Seems to work better than Canada's version.

We need to be looking at these different systems and seeing how we can reform the NHS to improve cancer outcomes.


Or we could just fund and treat the NHS as the public health service it was always designed to be. Cutting out the profit takers and removing the whims of insurance companies means true universal healthcare for all.

Is it too much to ask to have a well funded public health service in a wealthy developed nation in the 21st century? Should we really be harking back to a Victorian era of the wealthy and privileged being able to afford it and the rest either going in to debt and living in poverty or dying?

Re: Britain slumps to bottom of cancer survival league tables

Post by Guest » Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:26 pm

Ray of Sunshine wrote:Oh and apparently Australia has a "national health insurance" model, similar to Canada.

This is a system that has elements of both Beveridge and Bismarck.

And it seems to be working well as they have one of the best health services in the world.

Seems to work better than Canada's version.

We need to be looking at these different systems and seeing how we can reform the NHS to improve cancer outcomes.

Ah! The I word! Stop swearing when discussing the NHS you gammon arse!

Re: Britain slumps to bottom of cancer survival league tables

Post by Ray of Sunshine » Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:48 pm

Oh and apparently Australia has a "national health insurance" model, similar to Canada.

This is a system that has elements of both Beveridge and Bismarck.

And it seems to be working well as they have one of the best health services in the world.

Seems to work better than Canada's version.

We need to be looking at these different systems and seeing how we can reform the NHS to improve cancer outcomes.

Re: Britain slumps to bottom of cancer survival league tables

Post by Ray of Sunshine » Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:31 pm

Guest wrote:
Ray of Sunshine wrote:
Guest wrote:This a bit disingenuous, where are India, China, Bhutan etc etc on this alleged league?
Australia? How do we compare on skin cancer?
Utter bollocks


Well thanks for that guest, I'm sure the World Health Organisation will be chastened to find out their 20 year study is "utter bollocks."

And of course Australia has a higher rate of skin cancer than the UK it's a lot hotter!

Good morning Ray, thanks for confirming there is no league and that your post is bollocks.
Cancer is fucking awful, and having had family members suffer I resent your trying to turn people into statistics worldwide.
There are lies, damned lies and statistics after all.
And whoever compiled your alleged league with a purposeful agenda when doing so.
Or are you too thick a gammon to understand that.
And can you tell me how much further we will be relegated once cunts like you get your Brexit?


It'a a 20 year study by the World Health Organisation (WHO).

Most people have actually heard of them.

And you have the gall to call me stupid!

Re: Britain slumps to bottom of cancer survival league tables

Post by Cannydc » Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:21 pm

MungoBrush wrote:
Guest wrote:Yellowhammer is not a contingency plan it is a risk register.


No it's not
Read and Learn

"Operation Yellowhammer is a cross government programme of work to ensure that Government is prepared to mitigate the potential reasonable worst case scenario impacts of Brexit if the UK leaves the EU without a deal.

Operation Yellowhammer is coordinated by the Civil Contingencies Secretariat. The Civil Contingencies Secretariat are part of the team looking at Brexit preparedness, in addition to their regular work building the UK’s resilience by coordinating cross-government preparations and responses.

It is standard practice for government to use “planning assumptions” when developing contingency plans. They are not a prediction of what is going to happen, but reflect a responsible Government preparing for reasonable worst-case scenarios. Reasonable worst case planning assumptions provide a common, stretching, scenario for stakeholders to plan against and for which, if plans are in place, a reasonable level of preparedness can be expected for most manifestations of the risk.

This methodology is used by governments and organisations around the world as good risk management practice."

https://brexitfacts.blog.gov.uk/2019/09 ... gKs2fD_BwE


A precis of their risk register is precisely what it is.

That's why they talk about risk reduction via a process of mitigation. Contingency plans are simply one way to mitigate risk. Others are Transfer of Risk, Risk Sharing and Risk Avoidance.

Every project has a risk register, this is no different. Risk is measured on a likelihood x effect basis giving a figure, which falls into High, Medium or Low Risk category.

What the government is failing to tell us are the ratings for each of the risks they have listed. Which doesn't surprise me. It would alarm many.

Re: Britain slumps to bottom of cancer survival league tables

Post by MungoBrush » Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:08 pm

Guest wrote:Yellowhammer is not a contingency plan it is a risk register.


No it's not
Read and Learn

"Operation Yellowhammer is a cross government programme of work to ensure that Government is prepared to mitigate the potential reasonable worst case scenario impacts of Brexit if the UK leaves the EU without a deal.

Operation Yellowhammer is coordinated by the Civil Contingencies Secretariat. The Civil Contingencies Secretariat are part of the team looking at Brexit preparedness, in addition to their regular work building the UK’s resilience by coordinating cross-government preparations and responses.

It is standard practice for government to use “planning assumptions” when developing contingency plans. They are not a prediction of what is going to happen, but reflect a responsible Government preparing for reasonable worst-case scenarios. Reasonable worst case planning assumptions provide a common, stretching, scenario for stakeholders to plan against and for which, if plans are in place, a reasonable level of preparedness can be expected for most manifestations of the risk.

This methodology is used by governments and organisations around the world as good risk management practice."

https://brexitfacts.blog.gov.uk/2019/09 ... gKs2fD_BwE

Re: Britain slumps to bottom of cancer survival league tables

Post by Guest » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:42 am

MungoBrush wrote:Another display of total ignorance and stupidity from a poster too ashamed to post under his real name

Yellowhammer is a contingency plan
Do you know what that is?
Every business has contingency plans
They are sometimes called "disaster recovery plans" or "business continuity plans"
And sometimes thay have practices to make sure that they would work in the event of an incident
A "fire drill" is one such example

Even Labour understands this - remember when McDonnell said that a Labour government would crash the currency?
What did Corbyn say?

See? even Corbyn understands the need for planning for unfortunate events
So why not just admit your ignorance of such matters instead of posting such utter garbage?

"Jeremy Corbyn says it is "right to look at all these scenarios" after his shadow chancellor suggested that there could be a run on the pound if Labour went into government.
John McDonnell said Labour was doing "war-game-type scenario-planning" for events such as "a run on the pound".
Mr Corbyn backed Mr McDonnell in an interview with BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg, telling her that his colleague was "making the point that you've got to look at all these things and all these scenarios".
"John is right to look at all these scenarios because if we're going to move into government we need to know what we're going to do… but also look at all the scenarios we might face," he said."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41393021

Yellowhammer is not a contingency plan it is a risk register.

Re: Britain slumps to bottom of cancer survival league tables

Post by MungoBrush » Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:46 am

Guest wrote:
MungoBrush wrote:
Guest wrote:
Ray of Sunshine wrote:
Guest wrote:This a bit disingenuous, where are India, China, Bhutan etc etc on this alleged league?
Australia? How do we compare on skin cancer?
Utter bollocks


Well thanks for that guest, I'm sure the World Health Organisation will be chastened to find out their 20 year study is "utter bollocks."

And of course Australia has a higher rate of skin cancer than the UK it's a lot hotter!

Good morning Ray, thanks for confirming there is no league and that your post is bollocks.
Cancer is fucking awful, and having had family members suffer I resent your trying to turn people into statistics worldwide.
There are lies, damned lies and statistics after all.
And whoever compiled your alleged league with a purposeful agenda when doing so.
Or are you too thick a gammon to understand that.
And can you tell me how much further we will be relegated once cunts like you get your Brexit?


Dear guest
Next time you post your crap, why don't you take the time to read the actual source material before you break out into a moronic diatribe?
It helps to read
That's the way you learn things.
And it can save you publicly embarrassing yourself with posts like this one.

Public embarrassment? I’m guessing you have developed a very tough skin then, one beyond embarrassment.
You should take up comedy Mungammon, you and Raygammon being ever so concerned about health issues is fucking hilarious!
You’re the people demanding the end of the NHS because you’re demanding on a daily basis that we leave the E.U. and you don’t care what effect that will have on patient care.
Learn to read? Good advice Mungammon.
Read the Yellowhammer report and please feel free to come back and comment once you’ve educated yourself.
That way you’ll stop making an absolute c**t of yourself daily. :hap:


Another display of total ignorance and stupidity from a poster too ashamed to post under his real name

Yellowhammer is a contingency plan
Do you know what that is?
Every business has contingency plans
They are sometimes called "disaster recovery plans" or "business continuity plans"
And sometimes thay have practices to make sure that they would work in the event of an incident
A "fire drill" is one such example

Even Labour understands this - remember when McDonnell said that a Labour government would crash the currency?
What did Corbyn say?

See? even Corbyn understands the need for planning for unfortunate events
So why not just admit your ignorance of such matters instead of posting such utter garbage?

"Jeremy Corbyn says it is "right to look at all these scenarios" after his shadow chancellor suggested that there could be a run on the pound if Labour went into government.
John McDonnell said Labour was doing "war-game-type scenario-planning" for events such as "a run on the pound".
Mr Corbyn backed Mr McDonnell in an interview with BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg, telling her that his colleague was "making the point that you've got to look at all these things and all these scenarios".
"John is right to look at all these scenarios because if we're going to move into government we need to know what we're going to do… but also look at all the scenarios we might face," he said."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41393021

Re: Britain slumps to bottom of cancer survival league tables

Post by Guest » Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:38 am

MungoBrush wrote:
Guest wrote:
Ray of Sunshine wrote:
Guest wrote:This a bit disingenuous, where are India, China, Bhutan etc etc on this alleged league?
Australia? How do we compare on skin cancer?
Utter bollocks


Well thanks for that guest, I'm sure the World Health Organisation will be chastened to find out their 20 year study is "utter bollocks."

And of course Australia has a higher rate of skin cancer than the UK it's a lot hotter!

Good morning Ray, thanks for confirming there is no league and that your post is bollocks.
Cancer is fucking awful, and having had family members suffer I resent your trying to turn people into statistics worldwide.
There are lies, damned lies and statistics after all.
And whoever compiled your alleged league with a purposeful agenda when doing so.
Or are you too thick a gammon to understand that.
And can you tell me how much further we will be relegated once cunts like you get your Brexit?


Dear guest
Next time you post your crap, why don't you take the time to read the actual source material before you break out into a moronic diatribe?
It helps to read
That's the way you learn things.
And it can save you publicly embarrassing yourself with posts like this one.

Public embarrassment? I’m guessing you have developed a very tough skin then, one beyond embarrassment.
You should take up comedy Mungammon, you and Raygammon being ever so concerned about health issues is fucking hilarious!
You’re the people demanding the end of the NHS because you’re demanding on a daily basis that we leave the E.U. and you don’t care what effect that will have on patient care.
Learn to read? Good advice Mungammon.
Read the Yellowhammer report and please feel free to come back and comment once you’ve educated yourself.
That way you’ll stop making an absolute cunt of yourself daily. :hap:

Re: Britain slumps to bottom of cancer survival league tables

Post by Fletch » Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:44 am

Cannydc wrote:40,000 (FORTY THOUSAND) Vacancies for nurses in the NHS.

It's deliberate. It's being ripened off to sell. And it's just one of the reasons we are not reaching cancer survival targets.

Another is the lack of latest scan equipment - if your local hospital needs it, chances are it will require local charity fundraising to ever get it.


It has been for the last 40 years, it's got to get to the 'public noticing' stage at some point. That point is now, or the last few years.

Tories, New labour, Lib Dems. All complicit. The only hope is JC's Labour.

(another of the many reasons why he's always under attack)

Re: Britain slumps to bottom of cancer survival league tables

Post by Cannydc » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:20 pm

40,000 (FORTY THOUSAND) Vacancies for nurses in the NHS.

It's deliberate. It's being ripened off to sell. And it's just one of the reasons we are not reaching cancer survival targets.

Another is the lack of latest scan equipment - if your local hospital needs it, chances are it will require local charity fundraising to ever get it.

Re: Britain slumps to bottom of cancer survival league tables

Post by MungoBrush » Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:41 pm

Guest wrote:
Ray of Sunshine wrote:
Guest wrote:This a bit disingenuous, where are India, China, Bhutan etc etc on this alleged league?
Australia? How do we compare on skin cancer?
Utter bollocks


Well thanks for that guest, I'm sure the World Health Organisation will be chastened to find out their 20 year study is "utter bollocks."

And of course Australia has a higher rate of skin cancer than the UK it's a lot hotter!

Good morning Ray, thanks for confirming there is no league and that your post is bollocks.
Cancer is fucking awful, and having had family members suffer I resent your trying to turn people into statistics worldwide.
There are lies, damned lies and statistics after all.
And whoever compiled your alleged league with a purposeful agenda when doing so.
Or are you too thick a gammon to understand that.
And can you tell me how much further we will be relegated once cunts like you get your Brexit?


Dear guest
Next time you post your crap, why don't you take the time to read the actual source material before you break out into a moronic diatribe?
It helps to read
That's the way you learn things.
And it can save you publicly embarrassing yourself with posts like this one.

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