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Re: A Benjamin for a jab.

Post by Cactus Jack » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:14 pm

Maddog wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:
Maddog wrote:




Francesco Bianchi is an economist at Duke University, Giada Bianchi is an MD in the Division of Hematology, Department of Medicine, Brigham and Women’s Hospital Harvard Medical School, and Dongho Song is an economist at the Johns Hopkins University’s Carey Business School.

The authors write:

We interpret these results as a strong indication that policymakers should take into consideration the severe, long-run implications of such a large economic recession on people’s lives when deliberating on COVID-19 recovery and containment measures. Without any doubt, lockdowns save lives, but they also contribute to the decline in real activity that can have severe consequences on health.


Please provide links to what you're quoting https://www.nber.org/system/files/worki ... w28304.pdf

The NBER are the same organisation who have essentially said all African Americans should be given free college education to undo the generation effects of racial discrimination. Do you agree with that too?



Do I have to agree with opinion of any organization?

Lots of organizations will conduct studies by different authors. Some findings will be objective. Others will put forth an opinion.

Do you disagree with this study on lockdowns?

Do you acknowledge that lockdowns have a host of dangerous outcomes?

Is my English good enough for you to understand?


No - Maybe it's me.

An labhraionn tu Gaeilge?

Re: A Benjamin for a jab.

Post by Maddog » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:50 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:
Maddog wrote:




Francesco Bianchi is an economist at Duke University, Giada Bianchi is an MD in the Division of Hematology, Department of Medicine, Brigham and Women’s Hospital Harvard Medical School, and Dongho Song is an economist at the Johns Hopkins University’s Carey Business School.

The authors write:

We interpret these results as a strong indication that policymakers should take into consideration the severe, long-run implications of such a large economic recession on people’s lives when deliberating on COVID-19 recovery and containment measures. Without any doubt, lockdowns save lives, but they also contribute to the decline in real activity that can have severe consequences on health.


Please provide links to what you're quoting https://www.nber.org/system/files/worki ... w28304.pdf

The NBER are the same organisation who have essentially said all African Americans should be given free college education to undo the generation effects of racial discrimination. Do you agree with that too?



Do I have to agree with opinion of any organization?

Lots of organizations will conduct studies by different authors. Some findings will be objective. Others will put forth an opinion.

Do you disagree with this study on lockdowns?

Do you acknowledge that lockdowns have a host of dangerous outcomes?

Is my English good enough for you to understand?

Re: A Benjamin for a jab.

Post by Cactus Jack » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:43 pm

Maddog wrote:




Francesco Bianchi is an economist at Duke University, Giada Bianchi is an MD in the Division of Hematology, Department of Medicine, Brigham and Women’s Hospital Harvard Medical School, and Dongho Song is an economist at the Johns Hopkins University’s Carey Business School.

The authors write:

We interpret these results as a strong indication that policymakers should take into consideration the severe, long-run implications of such a large economic recession on people’s lives when deliberating on COVID-19 recovery and containment measures. Without any doubt, lockdowns save lives, but they also contribute to the decline in real activity that can have severe consequences on health.


Please provide links to what you're quoting https://www.nber.org/system/files/worki ... w28304.pdf

The NBER are the same organisation who have essentially said all African Americans should be given free college education to undo the generation effects of racial discrimination. Do you agree with that too?

Re: A Benjamin for a jab.

Post by Maddog » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:31 pm





Francesco Bianchi is an economist at Duke University, Giada Bianchi is an MD in the Division of Hematology, Department of Medicine, Brigham and Women’s Hospital Harvard Medical School, and Dongho Song is an economist at the Johns Hopkins University’s Carey Business School.

The authors write:

We interpret these results as a strong indication that policymakers should take into consideration the severe, long-run implications of such a large economic recession on people’s lives when deliberating on COVID-19 recovery and containment measures. Without any doubt, lockdowns save lives, but they also contribute to the decline in real activity that can have severe consequences on health.

Re: A Benjamin for a jab.

Post by Cactus Jack » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:30 pm

I'll help you

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/cdc-covid-19- ... 9bcnqb9os4

Re: A Benjamin for a jab.

Post by Maddog » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:28 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:You're wrong.

Talk to an immunologist to learn why you are wrong.



"We find that shocks to unemployment are followed by statistically significant increases in mortality rates and declines in life expectancy. We use our results to assess the long-run effects of the COVID-19 economic recession on mortality and life expectancy. We estimate the size of the COVID-19-related unemployment to be between 2 and 5 times larger than the typical unemployment shock, depending on race/gender, resulting in a 3.0% increase in mortality rate and a 0.5% drop in life expectancy over the next 15 years for the overall American population. We also predict that the shock will disproportionately affect African-Americans and women, over a short horizon, while white men might suffer large consequences over longer horizons. These figures translate in [to] a staggering 0.89 million additional deaths over the next 15 years."

Re: A Benjamin for a jab.

Post by Cactus Jack » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:25 pm

You're wrong.

Talk to an immunologist to learn why you are wrong.

Re: A Benjamin for a jab.

Post by Maddog » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:22 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:
Maddog wrote:The vaccines provide good protection and are readily available to anyone that wants them, in our countries anyway.

There is no need for lockdowns at this point. The vaccinated can go on about their life. Or I guess they can lock themselves down themselves if they are still worried about it.

You don't seem to want to acknowledge the damage lockdowns do and the unintended consequences of them.

Perhaps you should talk to a few immunolgists before you make such statements

You're wrong but you need to learn for yourself why you are wrong.





"We find that shocks to unemployment are followed by statistically significant increases in mortality rates and declines in life expectancy. We use our results to assess the long-run effects of the COVID-19 economic recession on mortality and life expectancy. We estimate the size of the COVID-19-related unemployment to be between 2 and 5 times larger than the typical unemployment shock, depending on race/gender, resulting in a 3.0% increase in mortality rate and a 0.5% drop in life expectancy over the next 15 years for the overall American population. We also predict that the shock will disproportionately affect African-Americans and women, over a short horizon, while white men might suffer large consequences over longer horizons. These figures translate in [to] a staggering 0.89 million additional deaths over the next 15 years."


This is similar to the term "blowback" used by the CIA.

Lockdowns kill people. They are necessary though when there is no other tool to combat a virus. They become more deadly than the virus when people have access to a vaccine.

Re: A Benjamin for a jab.

Post by Cactus Jack » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:17 pm

Maddog wrote:The vaccines provide good protection and are readily available to anyone that wants them, in our countries anyway.

There is no need for lockdowns at this point. The vaccinated can go on about their life. Or I guess they can lock themselves down themselves if they are still worried about it.

You don't seem to want to acknowledge the damage lockdowns do and the unintended consequences of them.

Perhaps you should talk to a few immunolgists before you make such statements

You're wrong but you need to learn for yourself why you are wrong.

Re: A Benjamin for a jab.

Post by Maddog » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:13 pm

The vaccines provide good protection and are readily available to anyone that wants them, in our countries anyway.

There is no need for lockdowns at this point. The vaccinated can go on about their life. Or I guess they can lock themselves down themselves if they are still worried about it.

You don't seem to want to acknowledge the damage lockdowns do and the unintended consequences of them.

Re: A Benjamin for a jab.

Post by Cactus Jack » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:04 pm

Maddog wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:
drum wrote:Lloyds chemists are taking names for the boosters already, I registered my name for that and the flu jab again.


That's good. I really think that's all we can do. IMO, if this virus isn't going away there's no point in obsessing about the numbers of infected people and having restrictions on and off all the time. I still wear a mask in shops and other places, and I don't mind doing that, but I can't be doing with places opening and closing all the time.



That's exactly right . Vaccines work better than lockdowns. Lockdowns are needed when there isn't any other defense, like a vaccine. People have protection available now. They can move on with life or not with a pretty reasonable level of safety or roll the dice.

So lockdowns and vaccines are better than either separately.



Lockdowns have their own sets of problems that make them unnecessary with a vaccine that provides good protection..

Vaccines only provide that kind of protection when over 80% of the population are vaccinated.

In the UK we're at around 75% and in the USA you're at around 50% with some areas much lower.

The worst possible scenario is having an insufficiently vaccinated population where escape variants can emerge in the largely vaccinated population then spread massively in the unvaccinated population.

Re: A Benjamin for a jab.

Post by Maddog » Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:58 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:
drum wrote:Lloyds chemists are taking names for the boosters already, I registered my name for that and the flu jab again.


That's good. I really think that's all we can do. IMO, if this virus isn't going away there's no point in obsessing about the numbers of infected people and having restrictions on and off all the time. I still wear a mask in shops and other places, and I don't mind doing that, but I can't be doing with places opening and closing all the time.



That's exactly right . Vaccines work better than lockdowns. Lockdowns are needed when there isn't any other defense, like a vaccine. People have protection available now. They can move on with life or not with a pretty reasonable level of safety or roll the dice.

So lockdowns and vaccines are better than either separately.



Lockdowns have their own sets of problems that make them unnecessary with a vaccine that provides good protection..

Re: A Benjamin for a jab.

Post by Cactus Jack » Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:55 pm

Maddog wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:
drum wrote:Lloyds chemists are taking names for the boosters already, I registered my name for that and the flu jab again.


That's good. I really think that's all we can do. IMO, if this virus isn't going away there's no point in obsessing about the numbers of infected people and having restrictions on and off all the time. I still wear a mask in shops and other places, and I don't mind doing that, but I can't be doing with places opening and closing all the time.



That's exactly right . Vaccines work better than lockdowns. Lockdowns are needed when there isn't any other defense, like a vaccine. People have protection available now. They can move on with life or not with a pretty reasonable level of safety or roll the dice.

So lockdowns and vaccines are better than either separately.

Re: A Benjamin for a jab.

Post by Maddog » Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:37 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
drum wrote:Lloyds chemists are taking names for the boosters already, I registered my name for that and the flu jab again.


That's good. I really think that's all we can do. IMO, if this virus isn't going away there's no point in obsessing about the numbers of infected people and having restrictions on and off all the time. I still wear a mask in shops and other places, and I don't mind doing that, but I can't be doing with places opening and closing all the time.



That's exactly right . Vaccines work better than lockdowns. Lockdowns are needed when there isn't any other defense, like a vaccine. People have protection available now. They can move on with life or not with a pretty reasonable level of safety or roll the dice.

Re: A Benjamin for a jab.

Post by common sense » Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:19 pm

Maddog wrote:Do you think an arm or a leg would fall off if I was double vaccinated?



No but yer manhood would, so I heard. :yikes:

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