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LordRaven wrote:

Cannydc wrote:And, by the way, I meant to say that Crime hit record levels under the Tories in 1994 / 5...

Yawn!

Cannydc wrote:And, by the way, I meant to say that Crime hit record levels under the Tories in 1994 / 5...

Cannydc wrote:"Ministers have claimed it is falling, while the Conservatives have insisted that it is rising."

And of course now the Tories will go back to the method of counting crime used before 2002 ?

In your dreams they will....

The data isn't contradictory, because it comes from not one, but two sources - one being the public themselves.

Are the public really lying about crime ?

Of course they aren't. Just Tory politicians and Police chiefs who have become politicians in the desperate hope of AVOIDING TORY CUTS...

Cannydc wrote:Crime fell by 7% in England and Wales during 2009 despite the recession, according to the latest set of crime figures, published today. (September 2009)

Both the BCS and the number of offences recorded by police - released today by the Home Office - show a 7% fall in overall crime in 2009.

"The sharp fall means the strong upward pressure on the crime rate due to the effects of the recession expected by Home Office criminologists has been avoided. The long-term fall in the crime rate since 1995 is now one of the longest on record."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog ... lice-force


Yesterday's Guardian...

The 16-year fall in overall crime in England and Wales seems to have been halted by the impact of cuts and rising unemployment, with an apparent 10% rise in household burglary.

Overall crime levels appear to have remained flat or started to nudge up, with the latest British Crime Survey (BCS) showing a 2% rise and police recorded crime figures a 4% fall over the 12 months to this June.

The quarterly crime figures, which cover the 12 months to the second quarter between April and June, do not include the summer riots.

But they show a 13% rise in "other household theft", which covers thefts from gardens and sheds, the apparent 10% rise in burglary, according to the BCS, and rises in robbery (3%) and the most serious sexual offences (2%) on police figures.



In other words, when the Tories were last in power, around 2003 / 4, we suffered RECORD LEVELS OF CRIME.

It then fell for 16 years. Most of that fall was, of course, under Labour.

Now the Tories are back in power, and guess what ? CRIME IS ON THE RISE.

Cannydc wrote:Still miserably failing to answer why CRIME FELL consistently, as IMMIGRATION ROSE.

Still miserably failing to 'get' the fact that the crimes that affect MILLIONS (not a few hundred or a few thousand) INVARIABLY RISE UNDER THE TORIES.

Despite all the evidence, all the facts, all the surveys, still denying reality.

Any chance of watching you trying to stop the tide on Clacton beach, Lord Raven ?

(Just keep a weather eye on the crime figures for the next couple of years - watch them soar, and then come back and admit that the Tories are the party of CRIME AND CRIMINALS)

Guest wrote:

LordRaven wrote:

Cannydc wrote:Concentrate on knife crime if you must, Lord Raven.

It was, after all, falling following a purge under Brown...

Only TO START RISING AGAIN UNDER THE TORY JUNTA.......

And the other crimes ? Ones that actually affect MILLIONS ?

Well, the problem certainly isn't 'immigrants', although their crimes are numeous and inexcusable given the chance they have been given to make a decent life here. As previously mentioned, the levels of crime FELL CONSISTENTLY even as immigration ROSE.

No, the problem is simply economic. Every government knows it. Labour deals with it and crime falls even when we have a recession. Tories ignore it, preferring istead to cut our police force, aided by the press eager to find fault at any opportunity. So there we have it. As soon as the economy goes TU (and let's face it, 3 of the last 4 crises have been under the Tories) we know what to expect.

Read and digest what the senior policewoman said Canny and go eat humble pie.

FAIL. We have over a million LESS now you fuckwit

Guest wrote:

LordRaven wrote:

Cannydc wrote:Concentrate on knife crime if you must, Lord Raven.

It was, after all, falling following a purge under Brown...

Only TO START RISING AGAIN UNDER THE TORY JUNTA.......

And the other crimes ? Ones that actually affect MILLIONS ?

Well, the problem certainly isn't 'immigrants', although their crimes are numeous and inexcusable given the chance they have been given to make a decent life here. As previously mentioned, the levels of crime FELL CONSISTENTLY even as immigration ROSE.

No, the problem is simply economic. Every government knows it. Labour deals with it and crime falls even when we have a recession. Tories ignore it, preferring istead to cut our police force, aided by the press eager to find fault at any opportunity. So there we have it. As soon as the economy goes TU (and let's face it, 3 of the last 4 crises have been under the Tories) we know what to expect.

Read and digest what the senior policewoman said Canny and go eat humble pie.

FAIL. We have over a million LESS now you fuckwit

LordRaven wrote:Bumped for Canny as his whitewash attempt at an answer was just too embarrasing to even be taken seriously.

DO NOT make idiot threads wherein you will get egg on your face Canny old bean. This spells out the Obvious Lie in your smear campaign against Tories.

There was a rising crime rate and extrapolation would have led to this obvious increase anyway.

e.g. 2 + 2 = 4 add 2 = 6 etc. How ridiculous you sound.

LordRaven wrote:

Cannydc wrote:A total of 14,980 knifepoint robberies were recorded by police in the year up to June – a rise of seven per cent on the 13,994 in the previous 12 months.

Robberies overall increased by three per cent to 76,786, while other thefts such as bicycle thefts and pickpocketing also increased.

There was a 13% rise in household thefts.

The British Crime Survey showed a ten per cent increase in burglaries to 743,000 over the period and a two per cent increase in overall crime to 9.7 million.



Like the sun rising in the East

And night following day,

CRIME INEVITABLY AND INEXORABLY RISES UNDER THE TORIES.....

You do talk out you bottie Canny. Any idea why knife crime has gone up Canny?

We have enough probs with our own gangs but importing gangs from eastern europe (etc) where the use of knives is habitual was clearly not a good idea.

Oh and please tell me I am wrong?--Check the date on this article Canny--And this is from the police and a story from the guardian--WTF did Labour not listen?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/sep/1 ... icservices

"Increased immigration boosts knife crime and drink-driving, police chief says ( I suppose you chaps will label her as racist?)

Background: Immigration to the UK

reddit this

Fred Attewill
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 19 September 2007 16.28 BST
Article history

A chief constable today said an increase in immigration had left police struggling to deal with certain offences, including knife crime and drink-driving.

Julie Spence, of Cambridgeshire police, said immigrant communities, often from the new EU states, had "different standards" from the UK.

She issued an outspoken plea for more government funding to cope with the problems, posed by a sharp rise in immigration over recent years.

Between 2003 and 2004 the number of foreign nationals arrested in the county for drink-driving soared from 57 to 966, although it has since fallen by two-thirds.

Mrs Spence also argued officers could take three times as long dealing with an immigrant offender, partly due to language difficulties.

She was backed by the chairman of the Cambridgeshire Police Federation, who added many officers' time was also taken up educating new arrivals about British culture and laws.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Mrs Spence she attacked the government for starving the force of funds to deal with the immigration influx. "The profile of the county has changed dramatically and this simply isn't taken into account when government allocates funding," she said.

"We are now dealing with people from many different countries, speaking more than 90 different languages."

Mrs Spence said the new communities needed to adjust to British standards of behaviour.

"When they arrive they think they can do the same thing as in the country they have come from," she said.

"There were a lot of people who ... because they used to carry knives for protection, they think they can carry knives here."

Canny you are absolutely fucking pathetic on occasion and this is a glowing example.

LordRaven wrote:

Cannydc wrote:Concentrate on knife crime if you must, Lord Raven.

It was, after all, falling following a purge under Brown...

Only TO START RISING AGAIN UNDER THE TORY JUNTA.......

And the other crimes ? Ones that actually affect MILLIONS ?

Well, the problem certainly isn't 'immigrants', although their crimes are numeous and inexcusable given the chance they have been given to make a decent life here. As previously mentioned, the levels of crime FELL CONSISTENTLY even as immigration ROSE.

No, the problem is simply economic. Every government knows it. Labour deals with it and crime falls even when we have a recession. Tories ignore it, preferring istead to cut our police force, aided by the press eager to find fault at any opportunity. So there we have it. As soon as the economy goes TU (and let's face it, 3 of the last 4 crises have been under the Tories) we know what to expect.

Read and digest what the senior policewoman said Canny and go eat humble pie.

Cannydc wrote:Concentrate on knife crime if you must, Lord Raven.

It was, after all, falling following a purge under Brown...

Only TO START RISING AGAIN UNDER THE TORY JUNTA.......

And the other crimes ? Ones that actually affect MILLIONS ?

Well, the problem certainly isn't 'immigrants', although their crimes are numeous and inexcusable given the chance they have been given to make a decent life here. As previously mentioned, the levels of crime FELL CONSISTENTLY even as immigration ROSE.

No, the problem is simply economic. Every government knows it. Labour deals with it and crime falls even when we have a recession. Tories ignore it, preferring istead to cut our police force, aided by the press eager to find fault at any opportunity. So there we have it. As soon as the economy goes TU (and let's face it, 3 of the last 4 crises have been under the Tories) we know what to expect.

LordRaven wrote:

Cannydc wrote:A total of 14,980 knifepoint robberies were recorded by police in the year up to June – a rise of seven per cent on the 13,994 in the previous 12 months.

Robberies overall increased by three per cent to 76,786, while other thefts such as bicycle thefts and pickpocketing also increased.

There was a 13% rise in household thefts.

The British Crime Survey showed a ten per cent increase in burglaries to 743,000 over the period and a two per cent increase in overall crime to 9.7 million.



Like the sun rising in the East

And night following day,

CRIME INEVITABLY AND INEXORABLY RISES UNDER THE TORIES.....

You do talk out you bottie Canny. Any idea why knife crime has gone up Canny?

We have enough probs with our own gangs but importing gangs from eastern europe (etc) where the use of knives is habitual was clearly not a good idea.

Oh and please tell me I am wrong?--Check the date on this article Canny--And this is from the police and a story from the guardian--WTF did Labour not listen?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/sep/1 ... icservices

"Increased immigration boosts knife crime and drink-driving, police chief says ( I suppose you chaps will label her as racist?)

Background: Immigration to the UK

reddit this

Fred Attewill
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 19 September 2007 16.28 BST
Article history

A chief constable today said an increase in immigration had left police struggling to deal with certain offences, including knife crime and drink-driving.

Julie Spence, of Cambridgeshire police, said immigrant communities, often from the new EU states, had "different standards" from the UK.

She issued an outspoken plea for more government funding to cope with the problems, posed by a sharp rise in immigration over recent years.

Between 2003 and 2004 the number of foreign nationals arrested in the county for drink-driving soared from 57 to 966, although it has since fallen by two-thirds.

Mrs Spence also argued officers could take three times as long dealing with an immigrant offender, partly due to language difficulties.

She was backed by the chairman of the Cambridgeshire Police Federation, who added many officers' time was also taken up educating new arrivals about British culture and laws.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Mrs Spence she attacked the government for starving the force of funds to deal with the immigration influx. "The profile of the county has changed dramatically and this simply isn't taken into account when government allocates funding," she said.

"We are now dealing with people from many different countries, speaking more than 90 different languages."

Mrs Spence said the new communities needed to adjust to British standards of behaviour.

"When they arrive they think they can do the same thing as in the country they have come from," she said.

"There were a lot of people who ... because they used to carry knives for protection, they think they can carry knives here."

Canny you are absolutely fucking pathetic on occasion and this is a glowing example.