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Re: Propaganda & Conflict the best of bedfellows

Post by Lady Murasaki » Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:40 pm

Smoke and mirrors.
Why not address my point about people wanting to believe the lies?

Re: Propaganda & Conflict the best of bedfellows

Post by Trapper John » Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:09 pm

Lady Murasaki wrote:
Trapper John wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:They may be the best of bedfellows but they leave destruction and devastation.
Creators and builders are better bedfellows.


You've missed my point. Conflict is most commonly considered to be the result of some earlier adverse action by another party, in it's basic sense, the retaliation or retribution coming about as a result of that adverse action, whatever it may be.

What I am saying is that Conflict has most often than not, certainly in written historical times, been the result of an action which 'never actually happened' which is where the propaganda comes in.

As I think the example in my OP clearly shows, 350 years of pain, misery, death and mistrust arising from an event which never actually took place, propaganda is the undisputed king of conflict in my view.


Well if you make the point properly to begin with it would help.

Propaganda works so well because people want to believe it. They want to believe the lies, for some selfish reason the lies work for them.


Sorry, thought it was clear enough. :again?:

Re: Propaganda & Conflict the best of bedfellows

Post by Lady Murasaki » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:38 am

Canucklehead wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:
Guest wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:...

Destruction and construction are part of the human condition.
Religion was/ is needed to deal with the cruelty of humans.
I can't see it changing in the future because humans haven't changed that much.


What we need to happen is for more people to stand up and say. It's not religion It's your life. And when you die believe it or not. That is all you leave, your life and all it's memories. You can't help anybody anymore and you can't do anything about the things you wanted to do something about. Because you are dead. You won't have any feelings about it, you won't give a shit....And why is this??? It is because you are gone gone from your human body. That one I love so much Today... I will love you when I'm gone but you won't see it. You won't feel it. You won't hear my voice when I want to call you and tell you how important you are. All that will happen is.... That I will leave memories. The same as what you will leave. Why not make them nice ones


I really like that. :wubbers:


It's a load of bullshit propaganda.


Having lost someone dear to me, I do like the idea that we have to make things count now. I don’t think there is anything beyond death. I read what was posted there as something quite beautiful, sorry that you had a different view.


I was at a funeral last week, that post sent out some red flags for me.

Re: Propaganda & Conflict the best of bedfellows

Post by Lady Murasaki » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:18 am

Trapper John wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:They may be the best of bedfellows but they leave destruction and devastation.
Creators and builders are better bedfellows.


You've missed my point. Conflict is most commonly considered to be the result of some earlier adverse action by another party, in it's basic sense, the retaliation or retribution coming about as a result of that adverse action, whatever it may be.

What I am saying is that Conflict has most often than not, certainly in written historical times, been the result of an action which 'never actually happened' which is where the propaganda comes in.

As I think the example in my OP clearly shows, 350 years of pain, misery, death and mistrust arising from an event which never actually took place, propaganda is the undisputed king of conflict in my view.


Well if you make the point properly to begin with it would help.

Propaganda works so well because people want to believe it. They want to believe the lies, for some selfish reason the lies work for them.

Re: Propaganda & Conflict the best of bedfellows

Post by Lady Murasaki » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:12 am

Cenobite wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:He thinks he's a god.


Nah totally disagree with you on this - he speaks the uncomfortable truth and seems a rather mild mannered family man compared to some of the religious fanatics who send him hate mail every single day.



His books are simply superb and they are bestsellers for a reason. :thumbsup:


Don't post videos at me' use your own words.
Mild mannered family man but still an egotistical narcissist.

Re: Propaganda & Conflict the best of bedfellows

Post by Guest » Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:48 am

Lady Murasaki wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:
Guest wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:
Destruction and construction are part of the human condition.
Religion was/ is needed to deal with the cruelty of humans.
I can't see it changing in the future because humans haven't changed that much.


What we need to happen is for more people to stand up and say. It's not religion It's your life. And when you die believe it or not. That is all you leave, your life and all it's memories. You can't help anybody anymore and you can't do anything about the things you wanted to do something about. Because you are dead. You won't have any feelings about it, you won't give a shit....And why is this??? It is because you are gone gone from your human body. That one I love so much Today... I will love you when I'm gone but you won't see it. You won't feel it. You won't hear my voice when I want to call you and tell you how important you are. All that will happen is.... That I will leave memories. The same as what you will leave. Why not make them nice ones


I really like that. :wubbers:


It's a load of bullshit propaganda.


What is? Your post makes little sense regarding this quote

Re: Propaganda & Conflict the best of bedfellows

Post by Nucks » Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:46 am

Lady Murasaki wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:
Guest wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:
Big Fat Frosty wrote:they are reflections of the human being trying to be good....
as they saw it at that time and place
they invented god to be good
as they saw it
we shouldn't dismiss that...
:thumbsup:


Destruction and construction are part of the human condition.
Religion was/ is needed to deal with the cruelty of humans.
I can't see it changing in the future because humans haven't changed that much.


What we need to happen is for more people to stand up and say. It's not religion It's your life. And when you die believe it or not. That is all you leave, your life and all it's memories. You can't help anybody anymore and you can't do anything about the things you wanted to do something about. Because you are dead. You won't have any feelings about it, you won't give a shit....And why is this??? It is because you are gone gone from your human body. That one I love so much Today... I will love you when I'm gone but you won't see it. You won't feel it. You won't hear my voice when I want to call you and tell you how important you are. All that will happen is.... That I will leave memories. The same as what you will leave. Why not make them nice ones


I really like that. :wubbers:


It's a load of bullshit propaganda.


Having lost someone dear to me, I do like the idea that we have to make things count now. I don’t think there is anything beyond death. I read what was posted there as something quite beautiful, sorry that you had a different view.

Re: Propaganda & Conflict the best of bedfellows

Post by Trapper John » Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:40 am

Lady Murasaki wrote:They may be the best of bedfellows but they leave destruction and devastation.
Creators and builders are better bedfellows.


You've missed my point. Conflict is most commonly considered to be the result of some earlier adverse action by another party, in it's basic sense, the retaliation or retribution coming about as a result of that adverse action, whatever it may be.

What I am saying is that Conflict has most often than not, certainly in written historical times, been the result of an action which 'never actually happened' which is where the propaganda comes in.

As I think the example in my OP clearly shows, 350 years of pain, misery, death and mistrust arising from an event which never actually took place, propaganda is the undisputed king of conflict in my view.

Re: Propaganda & Conflict the best of bedfellows

Post by Trapper John » Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:13 am

If that Dawkins quote proves to be true, proves to be the default set at the beginning of the universe where everything that followed is just a random collection of events and coincidences culminating in sentient life arising on this planet at least, then is it any wonder that someone invented 'religion' as way of trying to curtail mankind's most base and vile excesses?

You see without a faith or belief in some form divine retribution or punishment for those excesses, then the entire human race would have enacted it's most foul thoughts and designs everyday without feeling or remorse millennia ago, which would have most likely ended our short existence.

I believe there was a very good reason for the inception of religion for exactly those reasons, the men or women who first thought and then established these religions were great forward thinkers, seeing what the world would be like without a 'control setting' to counteract mankind's base instincts.

It's a big statement but I believe it's true, religion created civilisation, gave us what we all have now. The question for us these days though is, do we consider ourselves 'civilised' enough to do without religion?

Re: Propaganda & Conflict the best of bedfellows

Post by Keyser » Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:36 am

Lady Murasaki wrote:He thinks he's a god.


Nah totally disagree with you on this - he speaks the uncomfortable truth and seems a rather mild mannered family man compared to some of the religious fanatics who send him hate mail every single day.



His books are simply superb and they are bestsellers for a reason. :thumbsup:

Re: Propaganda & Conflict the best of bedfellows

Post by Lady Murasaki » Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:29 am

He thinks he's a god.

Re: Propaganda & Conflict the best of bedfellows

Post by Keyser » Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:26 am

Lady Murasaki wrote:
Cenobite wrote:If there really was a God who designed the Lean Green Gene Machine it really would have to be a sadist.

All things bright and beautiful?

Nope.

Dawkins get's it spot on.

Image


Dawkins can kiss my arse. :bum:


Blimey I never knew you liked him that much Lady M! :leer:

Re: Propaganda & Conflict the best of bedfellows

Post by Lady Murasaki » Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:07 am

Cenobite wrote:If there really was a God who designed the Lean Green Gene Machine it really would have to be a sadist.

All things bright and beautiful?

Nope.

Dawkins get's it spot on.

Image


Dawkins can kiss my arse. :bum:

Re: Propaganda & Conflict the best of bedfellows

Post by Lady Murasaki » Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:05 am

Canucklehead wrote:
Guest wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:
Big Fat Frosty wrote:they are reflections of the human being trying to be good....
as they saw it at that time and place
they invented god to be good
as they saw it
we shouldn't dismiss that...
:thumbsup:


Destruction and construction are part of the human condition.
Religion was/ is needed to deal with the cruelty of humans.
I can't see it changing in the future because humans haven't changed that much.


What we need to happen is for more people to stand up and say. It's not religion It's your life. And when you die believe it or not. That is all you leave, your life and all it's memories. You can't help anybody anymore and you can't do anything about the things you wanted to do something about. Because you are dead. You won't have any feelings about it, you won't give a shit....And why is this??? It is because you are gone gone from your human body. That one I love so much Today... I will love you when I'm gone but you won't see it. You won't feel it. You won't hear my voice when I want to call you and tell you how important you are. All that will happen is.... That I will leave memories. The same as what you will leave. Why not make them nice ones


I really like that. :wubbers:


It's a load of bullshit propaganda.

Re: Propaganda & Conflict the best of bedfellows

Post by Keyser » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:01 am

If there really was a God who designed the Lean Green Gene Machine it really would have to be a sadist.

All things bright and beautiful?

Nope.

Dawkins get's it spot on.

Image

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