First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

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Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Post by Guest » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:17 pm

If there is really a higher risk of genetic defects, why has the government not stepped in and stopped this? Or at the very least try
to educate those that are most likely to practice this type of marriage.

Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Post by Trapper John » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:14 pm

Guest wrote:There is a TV programme about this subject next week bbc. The show is a boy how people come their partners


Eh? ....... Is that you kat?

Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Post by Guest » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:05 pm

There is a TV programme about this subject next week bbc. The show is a boy how people come their partners

Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Post by Guest » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:18 pm

Nucks wrote:Pretty sure I’m going to hell, but the last sentence of this quote made me laugh. :gigglesnshit:

Emperor Franz II of Austria married his double first cousin Marie-Therese, but their son paid the price for the proximity of their blood. Ferdinand I was born in 1793 with a hydrocephalic head containing fluid build up and pressure that severely challenged his intelligence and motor skills. He also had the Habsburg jaw with a tongue far too large for his overbite, a body too small for his head, and epilepsy. Reportedly, "One of his favorite pastimes was to wedge his bottom in a wastebasket and roll around the floor on it. Despite that, he reigned as emperor for 18 years."


From a web page about royal inbreeding.

https://m.ranker.com/list/mutations-and ... peterdugre


That was many blue moons ago. The thread is talking about, now, today.

Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Post by Guest » Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:07 am

malamute wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5583869/Eight-members-incest-family-arrested-three-states-Australia.html

i read this and was reminded of this thread.


I'm not a fan of the DM, but interesting article, thanks.

Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Post by Nucks » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:45 am

Pretty sure I’m going to hell, but the last sentence of this quote made me laugh. :gigglesnshit:

Emperor Franz II of Austria married his double first cousin Marie-Therese, but their son paid the price for the proximity of their blood. Ferdinand I was born in 1793 with a hydrocephalic head containing fluid build up and pressure that severely challenged his intelligence and motor skills. He also had the Habsburg jaw with a tongue far too large for his overbite, a body too small for his head, and epilepsy. Reportedly, "One of his favorite pastimes was to wedge his bottom in a wastebasket and roll around the floor on it. Despite that, he reigned as emperor for 18 years."


From a web page about royal inbreeding.

https://m.ranker.com/list/mutations-and ... peterdugre

Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Post by malamute » Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:16 am

Guest wrote:
malamute wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5583869/Eight-members-incest-family-arrested-three-states-Australia.html

i read this and was reminded of this thread.



Sorry, what has the link got to do with cousin marriages in England?

:dunno:


The heading was First Cousin Marriages. (It didnt mention England).

I added the link to highlight the severe disabilities that kids can get when families breed with other family members.

Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Post by Guest » Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:44 pm

malamute wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5583869/Eight-members-incest-family-arrested-three-states-Australia.html

i read this and was reminded of this thread.



Sorry, what has the link got to do with cousin marriages in England?

:dunno:

Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Post by malamute » Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:28 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ralia.html

i read this and was reminded of this thread.

Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Post by malamute » Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:24 pm

Red Okktober wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:
Guest wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:Why isn’t there concern about sperm donors?
What if a bloke donates his sperm to numerous labs round the country?
His offspring could unwittingly mate.
Where’s the uproar?


yes, i bet it's happened more than once too.


There’s a higher chance they’d be attracted to one another too.
Yet no outcry from the usual ‘concerned’ suspects. :roll:

I imagine the chances of that happening are quite slim, not impossible though. What's the alternative - stop all sperm donations just in case the above scenario might happen once in a blue moon?

I suspect in relation to cousins knowingly marrying each other, it's a 0.0000 something % chance.

Why would there be a higher chance of them being attracted to each other though?


Often arranged marriages take place thats why cousins are marrying cousins.

Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Post by Guest » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:46 am

Given how hamstrung severely reduced police resources seem to be at every turn, I wouldn't be surprised if secretly the general attitude of a lot of police officers is to shrug and think let these scum wipe each other out.

Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Post by Guest » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:37 am

It is clear in the UK who practices cousin marriages on the whole.
What they need is education to help make informed decisions.
The education must also be targeted at the old groups as it is they that enforce
this culture.

Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Post by Lady Murasaki » Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:29 pm

Good find Guesty.
Dodgy science is replacing dodgy cultural practices it seems, yet zero concern.

Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Post by Guest » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:59 pm

Red Okktober wrote:
HobbitFeet wrote:[GSA (and assortative attraction)

people enter into relationships when they meet estranged relatives for the first time despite knowing they are related, not knowing you are related takes the taboo element away

We only ever meet a tiny fraction of the population throughout our entire lives. Obviously families settle in an area and socialise with each other, thereby giving the opportunity for attractions and relationships to develop.

With sperm donations though, I imagine they are despatched far away from the area they were collected in, thereby making the above scenario highly unlikely.

Say a London man donates sperm and it's shipped up to Glasgow and produces a boy for a Scottish Lady. The London man then goes on to father a natural daughter in London - what are the odds of the son and daughter ever meeting in a social situation, being attracted to each other, getting married and having kids of their own? Too small for it to be a concern imo.


https://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/06/health/06donor.html

Now, there is growing concern among parents, donors and medical experts about potential negative consequences of having so many children fathered by the same donors, including the possibility that genes for rare diseases could be spread more widely through the population. Some experts are even calling attention to the increased odds of accidental incest between half sisters and half brothers, who often live close to one another.

Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Post by HobbitFeet » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:36 pm

I was just answering your question of why there may be a higher chance of them being attracted to each other

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