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Re: Long Covid

Post by Guest » Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:16 pm

Stooo wrote:Is it the hidden horror?

You see all sorts of horror stories about this and they are genuine ailments so what's ahead?

Kate Garraway’s husband is an awful example and there are many more people who will always be affected severely by this nasty infection

Re: Long Covid

Post by guest » Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:50 am

I have had long covid since my symptoms in March, the actual Covid was not that bad for me, I only had a cough for a few days and a fever for 24 hours but when I got to day 5 I developed Vertigo and was bedbound, which wasn't that bad I just listened to the radio until it went obviously the essentials were not easy toilet and particularly having a bath while the room is spinning isn't pleasant or safe and I had to bring food into the bedroom when I could for five days as I couldn't sit in the kitchen.

The copvid vertigo turned out to be ear nerve damage and I developed Tinnitus for over a month which lead to the second and most troubling of my symptoms complete insomnia I have had this since June and am only just starting to get a sleep pattern back thanks to medication.

The ear nerve damage has now repaired itself and the tinnitus gone but trying to live and work with no sleep for nights on end was a complete nightmare.

I was lucky with the covid I did not develop breathing problems though on the odd occassion I did wheeze in my sleep a few times.

Re: Long Covid

Post by Raggamuffin » Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:03 pm

Stooo wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:It's possible that some people who have "long Covid" are those who weren't that ill, so they didn't rest enough. We all know about colds which linger, and I think it's at least partly because people insist on carrying on as normal when they have a cold. Infections can cause long-term problems - there's a theory that some autoimmune illnesses can be caused or triggered by the immune reaction to an infection.


Possible I guess but there have been studies showing that it can do huge damage to heart tissues. The LBC political editor Theo Usherwood (@theousherwood) is still complaining about breathlessness months later, and is a relatively young man. Flat on your back in ICU for three weeks is hardly stressing yourself.


Well of course he still feels rotten if he was in ICU for weeks. The lungs are damaged and it takes time for them to heal.

Re: Long Covid

Post by Stooo » Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:48 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:It's possible that some people who have "long Covid" are those who weren't that ill, so they didn't rest enough. We all know about colds which linger, and I think it's at least partly because people insist on carrying on as normal when they have a cold. Infections can cause long-term problems - there's a theory that some autoimmune illnesses can be caused or triggered by the immune reaction to an infection.


Possible I guess but there have been studies showing that it can do huge damage to heart tissues. The LBC political editor Theo Usherwood (@theousherwood) is still complaining about breathlessness months later, and is a relatively young man. Flat on your back in ICU for three weeks is hardly stressing yourself.

Re: Long Covid

Post by Lady Murasaki » Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:27 pm

ArchieG wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:
Toke 'n' gesture wrote:
What is long Covid?

There is no medical definition or list of symptoms shared by all patients - two people with long Covid can have very different experiences.

However, the most common feature is crippling fatigue.

Others symptoms include: breathlessness, a cough that won't go away, joint pain, muscle aches, hearing and eyesight problems, headaches, loss of smell and taste as well as damage to the heart, lungs, kidneys and gut.

Mental health problems have been reported including depression, anxiety and struggling to think clearly.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-54296223


This is not new. Post viral fatigue is commonly known by doctors.

Very much so. My wife had a potential career in tennis as a teenager, she caught glandular fever, and that was over before it started. She struggled to get out of bed for the best part of a year.


There seems to be a pattern of people who get the worst post viral symptoms leading a high/energy high stress life prior to being struck with this. Probably high stress= low immunity.

Re: Long Covid

Post by ArchieG » Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:16 pm

Lady Murasaki wrote:
Toke 'n' gesture wrote:
What is long Covid?

There is no medical definition or list of symptoms shared by all patients - two people with long Covid can have very different experiences.

However, the most common feature is crippling fatigue.

Others symptoms include: breathlessness, a cough that won't go away, joint pain, muscle aches, hearing and eyesight problems, headaches, loss of smell and taste as well as damage to the heart, lungs, kidneys and gut.

Mental health problems have been reported including depression, anxiety and struggling to think clearly.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-54296223


This is not new. Post viral fatigue is commonly known by doctors.

Very much so. My wife had a potential career in tennis as a teenager, she caught glandular fever, and that was over before it started. She struggled to get out of bed for the best part of a year.

Re: Long Covid

Post by NastyNickers » Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:04 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
NastyNickers wrote:The falling death rate could be because the people out and about and causing the infection rate increase are young. Students are the current issue. It’s young people likely to be working in pubs and restaurants and out and about.
I haven’t looked at the infection rate stats recently though. Is it still the younger lot that are higher?

As for long covid and not resting. If you’re getting a positive test your isolated for two weeks. It’s enforced resting. It’s not like the cold where you work through it.


I think it's ten days. Even if someone is at home they could be doing stuff - maybe gardening out in damp weather or something.


Yeah but pottering about your house is different than a normal work day.

Re: Long Covid

Post by Lady Murasaki » Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:01 pm

Toke 'n' gesture wrote:
What is long Covid?

There is no medical definition or list of symptoms shared by all patients - two people with long Covid can have very different experiences.

However, the most common feature is crippling fatigue.

Others symptoms include: breathlessness, a cough that won't go away, joint pain, muscle aches, hearing and eyesight problems, headaches, loss of smell and taste as well as damage to the heart, lungs, kidneys and gut.

Mental health problems have been reported including depression, anxiety and struggling to think clearly.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-54296223


This is not new. Post viral fatigue is commonly known by doctors.

Re: Long Covid

Post by Raggamuffin » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:25 am

NastyNickers wrote:The falling death rate could be because the people out and about and causing the infection rate increase are young. Students are the current issue. It’s young people likely to be working in pubs and restaurants and out and about.
I haven’t looked at the infection rate stats recently though. Is it still the younger lot that are higher?

As for long covid and not resting. If you’re getting a positive test your isolated for two weeks. It’s enforced resting. It’s not like the cold where you work through it.


I think it's ten days. Even if someone is at home they could be doing stuff - maybe gardening out in damp weather or something.

Re: Long Covid

Post by NastyNickers » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:18 am

The falling death rate could be because the people out and about and causing the infection rate increase are young. Students are the current issue. It’s young people likely to be working in pubs and restaurants and out and about.
I haven’t looked at the infection rate stats recently though. Is it still the younger lot that are higher?

As for long covid and not resting. If you’re getting a positive test your isolated for two weeks. It’s enforced resting. It’s not like the cold where you work through it.

Re: Long Covid

Post by Toke 'n' gesture » Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:59 am

What is long Covid?

There is no medical definition or list of symptoms shared by all patients - two people with long Covid can have very different experiences.

However, the most common feature is crippling fatigue.

Others symptoms include: breathlessness, a cough that won't go away, joint pain, muscle aches, hearing and eyesight problems, headaches, loss of smell and taste as well as damage to the heart, lungs, kidneys and gut.

Mental health problems have been reported including depression, anxiety and struggling to think clearly.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-54296223

Re: Long Covid

Post by Lady Murasaki » Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:32 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:SF, you dinosaur, did women really fall for that old guff?

Raggamuffin wrote:It's possible that some people who have "long Covid" are those who weren't that ill, so they didn't rest enough. We all know about colds which linger, and I think it's at least partly because people insist on carrying on as normal when they have a cold. Infections can cause long-term problems - there's a theory that some autoimmune illnesses can be caused or triggered by the immune reaction to an infection.


It’s not just that people insist on carrying on as normal, it’s that other people insist they do. People get sanctions at some workplaces when they don’t carry on as normal. This whole putting health before work mentality as a country is a new phenomenon. It’s a fine balancing act health v economy. I don’t see the point in pointing fingers of blame at either.



Oh yes, I agree that many people feel that they can't take time off work or whatever.


I wonder if those attitudes will change once this all dies down.


I don't know but whilst this virus is still around, there's no choice. If someone has symptoms of a cold or any kind of virus which could be Covid, they have to stay off work and employers can't nag them or sanction them.


You don’t even have to have symptoms, you just have to have been around someone who’s tested positive and you’re in self-isolation for 2 weeks. Surely that should be lowered now for people not presenting any symptoms.

Re: Long Covid

Post by Raggamuffin » Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:09 am

Lady Murasaki wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:SF, you dinosaur, did women really fall for that old guff?

Raggamuffin wrote:It's possible that some people who have "long Covid" are those who weren't that ill, so they didn't rest enough. We all know about colds which linger, and I think it's at least partly because people insist on carrying on as normal when they have a cold. Infections can cause long-term problems - there's a theory that some autoimmune illnesses can be caused or triggered by the immune reaction to an infection.


It’s not just that people insist on carrying on as normal, it’s that other people insist they do. People get sanctions at some workplaces when they don’t carry on as normal. This whole putting health before work mentality as a country is a new phenomenon. It’s a fine balancing act health v economy. I don’t see the point in pointing fingers of blame at either.



Oh yes, I agree that many people feel that they can't take time off work or whatever.


I wonder if those attitudes will change once this all dies down.


I don't know but whilst this virus is still around, there's no choice. If someone has symptoms of a cold or any kind of virus which could be Covid, they have to stay off work and employers can't nag them or sanction them.

Re: Long Covid

Post by Lady Murasaki » Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:06 am

drum wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:SF, you dinosaur, did women really fall for that old guff?

Raggamuffin wrote:It's possible that some people who have "long Covid" are those who weren't that ill, so they didn't rest enough. We all know about colds which linger, and I think it's at least partly because people insist on carrying on as normal when they have a cold. Infections can cause long-term problems - there's a theory that some autoimmune illnesses can be caused or triggered by the immune reaction to an infection.


It’s not just that people insist on carrying on as normal, it’s that other people insist they do. People get sanctions at some workplaces when they don’t carry on as normal. This whole putting health before work mentality as a country is a new phenomenon. It’s a fine balancing act health v economy. I don’t see the point in pointing fingers of blame at either.



Oh yes, I agree that many people feel that they can't take time off work or whatever.


It doesn't help anyone that the governments guidance is all over the place, get back to work or be sacked, no, stay at home and work you wont be sacked, employers sacking them anyway. The eat out/help out scheme certainly helped in the spread of covid, they wont take responsibility for that either, now they want you to go to the cinema ... I don't think so.


The infection rates, or at least the worst of the illnesses, ie death rates, had gone down. It made sense to encourage people to start thinking about returning to work/school with safety measures in place.
I’m apprehensive but taking the necessary precautions. Most people are so that we don’t have to lockdown again.

Re: Long Covid

Post by drum » Tue Oct 06, 2020 9:10 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:SF, you dinosaur, did women really fall for that old guff?

Raggamuffin wrote:It's possible that some people who have "long Covid" are those who weren't that ill, so they didn't rest enough. We all know about colds which linger, and I think it's at least partly because people insist on carrying on as normal when they have a cold. Infections can cause long-term problems - there's a theory that some autoimmune illnesses can be caused or triggered by the immune reaction to an infection.


It’s not just that people insist on carrying on as normal, it’s that other people insist they do. People get sanctions at some workplaces when they don’t carry on as normal. This whole putting health before work mentality as a country is a new phenomenon. It’s a fine balancing act health v economy. I don’t see the point in pointing fingers of blame at either.



Oh yes, I agree that many people feel that they can't take time off work or whatever.


It doesn't help anyone that the governments guidance is all over the place, get back to work or be sacked, no, stay at home and work you wont be sacked, employers sacking them anyway. The eat out/help out scheme certainly helped in the spread of covid, they wont take responsibility for that either, now they want you to go to the cinema ... I don't think so.

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