MACRON Wants A Federal Europe

[Maddog]

So how come Crimea has been annexed and is no longer part of the Ukraine Felch?

Because they voted to join Russia in a national vote.

And yet weeks before they were happy to be part of Ukraine, funny that

Some folks change their mind quickly.

[Maddog]

So how come Crimea has been annexed and is no longer part of the Ukraine Felch?

Because they voted to join Russia in a national vote.

Wouldn't a national vote include all Ukrainians?

[LordRaven]

So how come Crimea has been annexed and is no longer part of the Ukraine Felch?

Because they voted to join Russia in a national vote.

And yet weeks before they were happy to be part of Ukraine, funny that

Some folks change their mind quickly.

Especially when guns are pointed at them

[LordRaven]

So how come Crimea has been annexed and is no longer part of the Ukraine Felch?

Because they voted to join Russia in a national vote.

Wouldn't a national vote include all Ukrainians?

Felch doesn't get that bit, he is an avid RT watcher

[Fletch]

So how come Crimea has been annexed and is no longer part of the Ukraine Felch?

Because they voted to join Russia in a national vote.

Wouldn't a national vote include all Ukrainians?

No, the rest of Ukraine was, and still is, under occupation from western backed terrorists and their representatives. Fighting still goes on in Eastern Ukraine, which is nothing to do with Crimea.

[Fletch]

SCHRÖDER: U.S. ACTS IN GERMANY AS “OCCUPATION OFFICER”

Former German Chancellor Gerhard Gerhard Schröder sharply criticized US trade policy, as well as the behavior of the US Ambassador in Berlin, liking his behavior to an “occupation officer.”

He also called for closer German relations with China.

“We cannot put up with being treated like an occupied country,” said the SPD politician. “When I look at the actions of the American ambassador in Germany, I have the impression that he sees himself more as an occupation officer than as an ambassador of the United States in a sovereign state.”

Thus, according to Schröder, Germany must look for allies with similar interests.

“It is inevitable that those who are affected by the conflicts that emanate from the United States should come closer together,” said the former Chancellor. “We cannot stand up as part of an American trade dispute with China, rather we must resolutely fulfill our export interests in the Chinese market.”

https://southfront.org/schroder-u-s-act ... n-officer/

Like I said, the world, and more importantly the wider public, have seen the truth under Trumps mouthy leadership and is changing because of it.

[Fletch]

LAVROV: WEST PERSISTENT IN TRANSFORMING BALKANS INTO SPRINGBOARD AGAINST RUSSIA

The western states do their utmost to turn the Balkan Peninsula into a springboard against Moscow, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in an interview with The Serbian Telegraph newspaper.

“After the end of the Cold War, Western countries refused to join efforts in shaping an architecture of equal and indivisible security in the Euro-Atlantic space, which Russia had been persistently urging to do,” Lavrov said. “They opted for a dead-end way of expanding their geopolitical space and of mapping new divisive lines on the European continent”.

“For example, in 1990, they bombed Yugoslavia for two and a half months, grossly violating international law, and then in an attempt to legitimize the act of aggression they recognized unilaterally Kosovo’s independence,” Lavrov stressed.

The West’s anti-Russian policy evolved into “an armed coup in Kiev in February 2014, which was staged and backed by Washington and some European countries,” he said.”As a result, Ukraine, which had had everything to become successful and prosperous, found itself drawn into a bloody feud,” the foreign minister added.

“There is an impression that the West has not learnt any lessons from the Ukrainian tragedy. Persistent attempts are currently in full swing to transform the Balkans into another springboard against Russia,” he emphasized. “Regional nations are forced to make a choice: either with Moscow, or with Washington and Brussels.”

“We are aware that Belgrade is subject to severe pressure aimed at making it wind down mutually beneficial cooperation with our country. Serbian brothers are resiliently withstanding this,” Lavrov said.

“Moscow highly appreciates Serbia’s independent, multipronged foreign policy which, I am convinced, meets your nation’s vital interests,” he said.

https://southfront.org/lavrov-west-pers ... st-russia/

[LordRaven]

So how come Crimea has been annexed and is no longer part of the Ukraine Felch?

Because they voted to join Russia in a national vote.

Wouldn't a national vote include all Ukrainians?

No, the rest of Ukraine was, and still is, under occupation from western backed terrorists and their representatives. Fighting still goes on in Eastern Ukraine, which is nothing to do with Crimea.

You mean The Rest Of The Population of Ukraine

[Grafenwalder]

It would be nice to be one country, all the way into the arctic circle to northern tip of sami land, down south to Gibraltar and east to of border Ukraine.

Lots of people, lots of resources, massive workforce and plenty of places to visit with a hassle free EU passport.

But i guess some prefer isolationism

To what end?

Well as the world changes and there are massive trading blocs and new threats, economic terrorist and militarily, that face us all I do tend to think we'd be well advised to be part of something BIG.
Also being united erases suspicions of one another and negates the need for conflict and war, and as we all know europe has had enough of that.
To have common laws, equal rights and free movement around a vast european state where all have equal rights entwined in law could only be a good thing.
Sharing of information to further our united ends would also prove easier, especially for policing and intelligence services.
We would not have to be dictated to because collectively we'd be a heard.
It works for the good old US of A and I don't see why it could not work for europe.

When was the last war on European soil fought then LR?
It's not as pretty a picture as you seem to think.
Countries can't even vote fairly on a song contest ffs

It depends on how you categorise European countries
Kosovo was the last one that I can truly call european but that can be extended if you wish

Balkans in general as all the FYRO ended up fighting. Given it only ended less than 20 years ago they've all totally turned themselves around. Croatia and Slovenia does a roaring trade in tourism and Serbia is well on the tourist map now.

[LordRaven]

To what end?

Well as the world changes and there are massive trading blocs and new threats, economic terrorist and militarily, that face us all I do tend to think we'd be well advised to be part of something BIG.
Also being united erases suspicions of one another and negates the need for conflict and war, and as we all know europe has had enough of that.
To have common laws, equal rights and free movement around a vast european state where all have equal rights entwined in law could only be a good thing.
Sharing of information to further our united ends would also prove easier, especially for policing and intelligence services.
We would not have to be dictated to because collectively we'd be a heard.
It works for the good old US of A and I don't see why it could not work for europe.

When was the last war on European soil fought then LR?
It's not as pretty a picture as you seem to think.
Countries can't even vote fairly on a song contest ffs

It depends on how you categorise European countries
Kosovo was the last one that I can truly call european but that can be extended if you wish

Balkans in general as all the FYRO ended up fighting. Given it only ended less than 20 years ago they've all totally turned themselves around. Croatia and Slovenia does a roaring trade in tourism and Serbia is well on the tourist map now.

Kosovo was the very last conflict and last to get international backing, political and militarily, in order to be the last part of the former Yugoslavia to break away from Belgrade and become independent

[Grafenwalder]

Kosovo was the very last conflict and last to get international backing, political and militarily, in order to be the last part of the former Yugoslavia to break away from Belgrade and become independent

This is a good timeline; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17632399 Remember this on the news? Serbia doing 'the impossible' shooting down a F-117 stealth bomber but look how it turned out!; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20209770

[LordRaven]

Kosovo was the very last conflict and last to get international backing, political and militarily, in order to be the last part of the former Yugoslavia to break away from Belgrade and become independent

This is a good timeline; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17632399 Remember this on the news? Serbia doing 'the impossible' shooting down a F-117 stealth bomber but look how it turned out!; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20209770

Hi Grafenwaler, do you recall the Chinese Embassy getting "accidentally" bombed just after that F117 was shot down?
The Chinese had mastered a way to detect the stealth planes and that helped the Serbs shoot it down, in your link ...

Citing Serbian electronics genius Nikola Tesla as an inspiration, Zoltan had the equipment modified so it would operate beyond the usual wavelengths.

[Grafenwalder]

Kosovo was the very last conflict and last to get international backing, political and militarily, in order to be the last part of the former Yugoslavia to break away from Belgrade and become independent

This is a good timeline; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17632399 Remember this on the news? Serbia doing 'the impossible' shooting down a F-117 stealth bomber but look how it turned out!; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20209770

Hi Grafenwaler, do you recall the Chinese Embassy getting "accidentally" bombed just after that F117 was shot down?
The Chinese had mastered a way to detect the stealth planes and that helped the Serbs shoot it down, in your link ...

Citing Serbian electronics genius Nikola Tesla as an inspiration, Zoltan had the equipment modified so it would operate beyond the usual wavelengths.

Yes there was also another 'twist' involving China though no definitive proof but still an interesting read. https://www.wired.com/2011/01/was-china ... n-america/

[LordRaven]

Kosovo was the very last conflict and last to get international backing, political and militarily, in order to be the last part of the former Yugoslavia to break away from Belgrade and become independent

This is a good timeline; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17632399 Remember this on the news? Serbia doing 'the impossible' shooting down a F-117 stealth bomber but look how it turned out!; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20209770

Hi Grafenwaler, do you recall the Chinese Embassy getting "accidentally" bombed just after that F117 was shot down?
The Chinese had mastered a way to detect the stealth planes and that helped the Serbs shoot it down, in your link ...

Citing Serbian electronics genius Nikola Tesla as an inspiration, Zoltan had the equipment modified so it would operate beyond the usual wavelengths.

Yes there was also another 'twist' involving China though no definitive proof but still an interesting read. https://www.wired.com/2011/01/was-china ... n-america/

I know that this was a major embarrassment for the yanks but can you honestly see 1960's era air to air rockets and radar shooting down a stealth fighter?
The man in charge said it had been UPGRADED
Word was back then was the Chinese had invented a system that displayed all the radio, TV, mobile phone, microwave chatter etc on a screen.
Where there was a Hole in that chatter, and especially a Moving Hole --there was your stealth jet.
And hence the plane was accurately shot down and hence the Chinese Embassy Accidentally got bombed.
Or so the story goes.

[Maddog]

So how come Crimea has been annexed and is no longer part of the Ukraine Felch?

Because they voted to join Russia in a national vote.

Wouldn't a national vote include all Ukrainians?

No, the rest of Ukraine was, and still is, under occupation from western backed terrorists and their representatives. Fighting still goes on in Eastern Ukraine, which is nothing to do with Crimea.

I think a national vote would include the entire nation, but what do I know