Trump, on a Future Debt Crisis: 'Yeah, But I Won't Be Here'

Re: Trump, on a Future Debt Crisis: 'Yeah, But I Won't Be Here'

Postby Maddog » Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:56 am

ATXn;D wrote:More anonymous sources? :roll:

And who has the power of the purse? Oh yeah, congress.



No doubt Congress is full of spendthrifts. Trump made no attempt to cut spending, nor is he remotely interested in trying.
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Re: Trump, on a Future Debt Crisis: 'Yeah, But I Won't Be Here'

Postby ATXn;D » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:31 pm

Maddog wrote:
ATXn;D wrote:More anonymous sources? :roll:

And who has the power of the purse? Oh yeah, congress.



No doubt Congress is full of spendthrifts. Trump made no attempt to cut spending, nor is he remotely interested in trying.



Uh huh :roll:


Trump orders Cabinet to cut agency budgets by 5 percent

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washin ... f_amp=true
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Re: Trump, on a Future Debt Crisis: 'Yeah, But I Won't Be Here'

Postby Maddog » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:53 pm

ATXn;D wrote:
Maddog wrote:
ATXn;D wrote:More anonymous sources? :roll:

And who has the power of the purse? Oh yeah, congress.



No doubt Congress is full of spendthrifts. Trump made no attempt to cut spending, nor is he remotely interested in trying.



Uh huh :roll:


Trump orders Cabinet to cut agency budgets by 5 percent

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washin ... f_amp=true


Yes, he did do that, but his increase in defense spending dwarfed it. Trump has made some decent inroads in deregulation and cutting through the government bullshit. But he is not a deficit hawk by any stretch of the imagination. That's why the deficit is going up at a rate no different than when Obama was in office. It's not important to Trump, most republicans and all democrats.
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Re: Trump, on a Future Debt Crisis: 'Yeah, But I Won't Be Here'

Postby Fletch » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:56 pm

US To Send $7,000 Per MINUTE To Israel

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50705.htm



That and the MIC spending, nope, can't see where any savings could be made...
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Re: Trump, on a Future Debt Crisis: 'Yeah, But I Won't Be Here'

Postby Cactus Jack » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:08 pm

Fletch wrote:US To Send $7,000 Per MINUTE To Israel

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50705.htm



That and the MIC spending, nope, can't see where any savings could be made...

Hi Fletch - just to prove I'm not an implacable enemy just a constructively criticising friend

https://electronicintifada.net/content/ ... -see/25876
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Re: Trump, on a Future Debt Crisis: 'Yeah, But I Won't Be Here'

Postby Fletch » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:12 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:
Fletch wrote:US To Send $7,000 Per MINUTE To Israel

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50705.htm

That and the MIC spending, nope, can't see where any savings could be made...

Hi Fletch - just to prove I'm not an implacable enemy just a constructively criticising friend

https://electronicintifada.net/content/ ... -see/25876


Did you see the one about the UK Israel lobby?

https://www.aljazeera.com/investigations/thelobby/
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Re: Trump, on a Future Debt Crisis: 'Yeah, But I Won't Be Here'

Postby Maddog » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:12 pm

Fletch wrote:US To Send $7,000 Per MINUTE To Israel

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50705.htm



That and the MIC spending, nope, can't see where any savings could be made...


We spend that much on toilet paper for government workers.

The problem with our deficit is military spending, Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid. Until someone tackles those budget problems, messing with foreign aid isn't going to solve anything.
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Re: Trump, on a Future Debt Crisis: 'Yeah, But I Won't Be Here'

Postby Fletch » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:17 pm

Maddog wrote:
Fletch wrote:US To Send $7,000 Per MINUTE To Israel

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50705.htm



That and the MIC spending, nope, can't see where any savings could be made...


We spend that much on toilet paper for government workers.

The problem with our deficit is military spending, Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid. Until someone tackles those budget problems, messing with foreign aid isn't going to solve anything.


Do you not believe taxes should go towards helping the less fortunate and the (poor) sick?
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Re: Trump, on a Future Debt Crisis: 'Yeah, But I Won't Be Here'

Postby Maddog » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:22 pm

Fletch wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fletch wrote:US To Send $7,000 Per MINUTE To Israel

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50705.htm



That and the MIC spending, nope, can't see where any savings could be made...


We spend that much on toilet paper for government workers.

The problem with our deficit is military spending, Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid. Until someone tackles those budget problems, messing with foreign aid isn't going to solve anything.


Do you not believe taxes should go towards helping the less fortunate and the (poor) sick?


Social Security and Medicare goes to everyone, even the wealthy. It will need to be means tested at some point because there isn't enough money to cover everyone anymore. Medicaid is for the poor, and I can accept a safety net for them. But even then, I want a far more efficient system to serve them.
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Re: Trump, on a Future Debt Crisis: 'Yeah, But I Won't Be Here'

Postby Fletch » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:26 pm

Maddog wrote:
Fletch wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fletch wrote:US To Send $7,000 Per MINUTE To Israel

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50705.htm



That and the MIC spending, nope, can't see where any savings could be made...


We spend that much on toilet paper for government workers.

The problem with our deficit is military spending, Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid. Until someone tackles those budget problems, messing with foreign aid isn't going to solve anything.


Do you not believe taxes should go towards helping the less fortunate and the (poor) sick?


Social Security and Medicare goes to everyone, even the wealthy. It will need to be means tested at some point because there isn't enough money to cover everyone anymore. Medicaid is for the poor, and I can accept a safety net for them. But even then, I want a far more efficient system to serve them.


How much to you get a month? (roughly)

You'll never have a more efficient health service for the poor, or the many, all the time you prioritise profits over patients.
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Re: Trump, on a Future Debt Crisis: 'Yeah, But I Won't Be Here'

Postby Maddog » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:31 pm

Fletch wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fletch wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fletch wrote:US To Send $7,000 Per MINUTE To Israel

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50705.htm



That and the MIC spending, nope, can't see where any savings could be made...


We spend that much on toilet paper for government workers.

The problem with our deficit is military spending, Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid. Until someone tackles those budget problems, messing with foreign aid isn't going to solve anything.


Do you not believe taxes should go towards helping the less fortunate and the (poor) sick?


Social Security and Medicare goes to everyone, even the wealthy. It will need to be means tested at some point because there isn't enough money to cover everyone anymore. Medicaid is for the poor, and I can accept a safety net for them. But even then, I want a far more efficient system to serve them.


How much to you get a month? (roughly)

You'll never have a more efficient health service for the poor, or the many, all the time you prioritise profits over patients.



Sorta depends what you pay in. My mom gets about 2 grand a month, and of course most of her medical bills are paid. She also has a supplemental plan that covers other things that medicare doesn't cover, or gives her higher end facilities that other's wouldn't get. Nothing fancy, just not the bottom of the barrel.

I pay about $500/month for insurance that really doesn't cover everything but protects me from something catostrophic.
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Re: Trump, on a Future Debt Crisis: 'Yeah, But I Won't Be Here'

Postby Cactus Jack » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:38 pm

Maddog wrote:
Fletch wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fletch wrote:US To Send $7,000 Per MINUTE To Israel

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50705.htm



That and the MIC spending, nope, can't see where any savings could be made...


We spend that much on toilet paper for government workers.

The problem with our deficit is military spending, Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid. Until someone tackles those budget problems, messing with foreign aid isn't going to solve anything.


Do you not believe taxes should go towards helping the less fortunate and the (poor) sick?


Social Security and Medicare goes to everyone, even the wealthy. It will need to be means tested at some point because there isn't enough money to cover everyone anymore. Medicaid is for the poor, and I can accept a safety net for them. But even then, I want a far more efficient system to serve them.

Good news MD - Single Payer is a more efficient system.

Rather than having thousands of different products being marketed, sold - so having commissions paid, claimed against, disputed etc etc etc you get one customer saying OK hip replacements cost £8,500 -roughly $11,000 - instead of a market for replacement hips that drives up the cost to $31,500. The customer - who in this case is a tax payer who pays for healthcare as a part of general taxation - is $20,000 to the good.
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Re: Trump, on a Future Debt Crisis: 'Yeah, But I Won't Be Here'

Postby Fletch » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:38 pm

Maddog wrote:
Fletch wrote:
How much to you get a month? (roughly)

You'll never have a more efficient health service for the poor, or the many, all the time you prioritise profits over patients.



Sorta depends what you pay in. My mom gets about 2 grand a month, and of course most of her medical bills are paid. She also has a supplemental plan that covers other things that medicare doesn't cover, or gives her higher end facilities that other's wouldn't get. Nothing fancy, just not the bottom of the barrel.

I pay about $500/month for insurance that really doesn't cover everything but protects me from something catostrophic.


So you don't get anything then. Is it age related or income related?

People on medicaid/care get money even if they don't need treatment that month?

Or is it pay for the treatment when you need it?

All the time you have this sort of thing@

Hospital Tells Woman To Use ‘GoFundMe’ For Her Own Heart Transplant — Yes, Really

Image

https://www.scarymommy.com/heart-transplant-gofundme/

You'll never get costs under control. Pay what they tell you or die is hardly a healthcare system suitable for a developed, modern nation.
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Re: Trump, on a Future Debt Crisis: 'Yeah, But I Won't Be Here'

Postby ATXn;D » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:28 am

Maddog wrote:
ATXn;D wrote:
Maddog wrote:
ATXn;D wrote:More anonymous sources? :roll:

And who has the power of the purse? Oh yeah, congress.



No doubt Congress is full of spendthrifts. Trump made no attempt to cut spending, nor is he remotely interested in trying.



Uh huh :roll:


Trump orders Cabinet to cut agency budgets by 5 percent

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washin ... f_amp=true





Yes, he did do that, but his increase in defense spending dwarfed it. Trump has made some decent inroads in deregulation and cutting through the government bullshit. But he is not a deficit hawk by any stretch of the imagination. That's why the deficit is going up at a rate no different than when Obama was in office. It's not important to Trump, most republicans and all democrats.




Hit the lnk. He specifically addressed the defense issue. Im pretty sure you know the story.


Trump's order comes amid growing worry among conservatives about rising federal spending. He said he "made deals with the devil" before signing a $1.3 trillion spending package in March that boosted both domestic and military spending, but said he was now determined to reduce spending.

"I made deals with the devil in order to get that done because we had to improve our military, our military was depleted," he said. "Get rid of the fat, get rid of the waste, and I'm sure you can do it, I'm sure everybody in this table can do it. It will have a huge impact."
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Re: Trump, on a Future Debt Crisis: 'Yeah, But I Won't Be Here'

Postby Maddog » Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:39 am

ATXn;D wrote:
Maddog wrote:
ATXn;D wrote:
Maddog wrote:
ATXn;D wrote:More anonymous sources? :roll:

And who has the power of the purse? Oh yeah, congress.



No doubt Congress is full of spendthrifts. Trump made no attempt to cut spending, nor is he remotely interested in trying.



Uh huh :roll:


Trump orders Cabinet to cut agency budgets by 5 percent

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washin ... f_amp=true





Yes, he did do that, but his increase in defense spending dwarfed it. Trump has made some decent inroads in deregulation and cutting through the government bullshit. But he is not a deficit hawk by any stretch of the imagination. That's why the deficit is going up at a rate no different than when Obama was in office. It's not important to Trump, most republicans and all democrats.




Hit the lnk. He specifically addressed the defense issue. Im pretty sure you know the story.


Trump's order comes amid growing worry among conservatives about rising federal spending. He said he "made deals with the devil" before signing a $1.3 trillion spending package in March that boosted both domestic and military spending, but said he was now determined to reduce spending.

"I made deals with the devil in order to get that done because we had to improve our military, our military was depleted," he said. "Get rid of the fat, get rid of the waste, and I'm sure you can do it, I'm sure everybody in this table can do it. It will have a huge impact."



Our military spends more than about the next 8 countries combined. We are never going to tackle our debt issues without drastically cutting out military spending. Out biggest threat is not a foreign power but our own spending.
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