Brexit Poll- The Withdrawl Agreement

Why is Boris now trying to overturn the Withdrawl Agreement

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Re: Brexit Poll- The Withdrawl Agreement

Postby Cactus Jack » Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:33 pm

Dinkydoobie wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:Britain is no longer a member state.


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We're still bound by the rules limiting state aid and free movement of goods which was the point of the internal market bill when they told the EU to fuck off if we don't reach a deal and the backstop comes into play

Dimwitted child.

Whilst the Internal Market Bill will allow the British Government to subsidised companies to them an advantage against the EU in a no deal scenario that same scenario will allow any and all EU companies to subsidise their companies in direct competition with the British.

Whilst the companies accepting British incentives will get access to a market of 70 million they will face sanctions in a market of around one billion.

Even someone not very good at maths will quickly work out that one billion is more than 70 million.
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Re: Brexit Poll- The Withdrawl Agreement

Postby Dinkydoobie » Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:44 pm

Cactus Jack wrote: in a no deal scenario that same scenario will allow any and all EU countries to subsidise their companies in direct competition with the British.


No it won't because 'The EU' isn't a fucking single entity. it's 27 countries and 1 country cant offer state aid to a business if it will impact trade between members of the EU whereas the UK could because it isn't in the EU and fuck the EU's rules.
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Re: Brexit Poll- The Withdrawl Agreement

Postby Cactus Jack » Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:23 pm

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Cactus Jack wrote: in a no deal scenario that same scenario will allow any and all EU countries to subsidise their companies in direct competition with the British.


No it won't because 'The EU' isn't a fucking single entity. it's 27 countries and 1 country cant offer state aid to a business if it will impact trade between members of the EU whereas the UK could because it isn't in the EU and fuck the EU's rules.


The EU rules only apply to competition within the single market not to competition with any entity that sits outside of the single market. Furthermore the entire Brexit objection to the EU is that it does have some elements wherein it acts like a single entity.

Allowing subsidies, or de facto subsidies, where competition comes from outside the EU does happen - the UK benefitted from it enormously it was called Airbus and it really pissed the yanks off. - feel free to google it and read all the Trumpian noise around it.
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Re: Brexit Poll- The Withdrawl Agreement

Postby Dinkydoobie » Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:31 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:The EU rules only apply to competition within the single market .


Have you got any examples of EU businesses that only trade with the UK or where financial aid to the business wouldn't increase its competitiveness within the EU? :NAA:

Would it be legal for Poland to offer financial aid to Nestle to build a factory?
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Re: Brexit Poll- The Withdrawl Agreement

Postby Cactus Jack » Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:46 pm

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Cactus Jack wrote:The EU rules only apply to competition within the single market .


Have you got any examples of EU businesses that only trade with the UK or where financial aid to the business wouldn't increase its competitiveness within the EU? :NAA:

Would it be legal for Poland to offer financial aid to Nestle to build a factory?

Look up Cadbury factory in Keynsham and answer your own question.
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Re: Brexit Poll- The Withdrawl Agreement

Postby Dinkydoobie » Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:50 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:Look up Cadbury factory in Keynsham and answer your own question.


That's an existing factory. I asked you if it would be legal to offer state aid to establish one.
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Re: Brexit Poll- The Withdrawl Agreement

Postby Cactus Jack » Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:51 pm

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Cactus Jack wrote:Look up Cadbury factory in Keynsham and answer your own question.


That's an existing factory. I asked you if it would be legal to offer state aid to establish one.

Try again - this time Google the fucking story.
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Re: Brexit Poll- The Withdrawl Agreement

Postby Dinkydoobie » Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:53 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:Try again - this time Google the fucking story.


Maybe you should 'google the fucking story' and see that cadbury acquired the factory and were given aid when they planned to close it and not to establish the fucking thing.
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Re: Brexit Poll- The Withdrawl Agreement

Postby Cactus Jack » Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:59 pm

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Cactus Jack wrote:Try again - this time Google the fucking story.


Maybe you should 'google the fucking story' and see that cadbury acquired the factory and were given aid when they planned to close it and not to establish the fucking thing.

Try again - I'll keep telling you to try again until you get the full story.

Here's a hint - there isn't a Cadbury factory in Keynsham anymore.
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Re: Brexit Poll- The Withdrawl Agreement

Postby Dinkydoobie » Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:02 am

Cactus Jack wrote:Here's a hint - there isn't a Cadbury factory in Keynsham anymore.


Yeah and what is your point? Is it that Poland offered Cadbury/Kraft a financial incentive to move to Poland or that the UK government being in the EU couldn't offer them a financial incentive to stay because of EU rules on competition? :trollface:
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Re: Brexit Poll- The Withdrawl Agreement

Postby Cactus Jack » Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:45 am

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Cactus Jack wrote:Here's a hint - there isn't a Cadbury factory in Keynsham anymore.


Yeah and what is your point? Is it that Poland offered Cadbury/Kraft a financial incentive to move to Poland or that the UK government being in the EU couldn't offer them a financial incentive to stay because of EU rules on competition? :trollface:

Keep trying.
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Re: Brexit Poll- The Withdrawl Agreement

Postby common sense » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:02 am

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Cactus Jack wrote:Anything the UK can do the EU can do


They can't. EU law prevents the state from unfairly investing in businesses. :trollface:



Which is a ridiculous law.
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Re: Brexit Poll- The Withdrawl Agreement

Postby Guest » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:34 am

common sense wrote:
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Cactus Jack wrote:Anything the UK can do the EU can do


They can't. EU law prevents the state from unfairly investing in businesses. :trollface:


Which is a ridiculous law.

And is a law agreed in principle in the UK's draft trade agreement with Japan, under much more stringent conditions.
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Re: Brexit Poll- The Withdrawl Agreement

Postby Cactus Jack » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:35 pm

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common sense wrote:
Dinkydoobie wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:Anything the UK can do the EU can do


They can't. EU law prevents the state from unfairly investing in businesses. :trollface:


Which is a ridiculous law.

And is a law agreed in principle in the UK's draft trade agreement with Japan, under much more stringent conditions.

Only if the UK Government passes regulations as ordered by the Imperial Government of Japan.

Boris celebrated the British heroes who suffered in the jungles of Burma and the many who died in the brutal Japanese POW camps by surrendering to Japan.
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Re: Brexit Poll- The Withdrawl Agreement

Postby Cannydc » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:44 am

I suspect that many, especially those trumpeting our exit from the EU, proposing a no-deal finale and lauding our 'world beating' trade agreement with Japan are missing a trick.

It really doesn't matter who the UK signs trade agreements with, every single country will be looking after their own interests.

As soon as the UK starts funding an individual industry to give it advantages on the world markets, tariffs and other penalties will inevitably follow.

If you want examples, take a look at what Trump's America has done to China.

If you believe that leaving the EU now makes it a great idea to subsidise the dumping of exports, you are sadly mistaken. America will do exactly the same to us.
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