Mixed Race?

[wutang]

These protesters have faith that the politicians can properly manage the banks, which they proved they can not.

I dont think you can lump all the protesters together as a unified block, it would make more sense to refer to the "protests" as from the coverage I have seen/read (including first hand accounts from those there) it seems that the only thing that they all agree on is the need to make their frustrations heard - in this case via the act of occupying public spaces. Its not like it has descended into an astroturf movement - ala the Tea party - just yet, although, as you pointed out, the involvement of people like Soros shows that attempts will be made by certain interest groups to co-opt it (as is the case with most social movements)

The whole 'occupy' movement, which has spread from New York to other cities, including UK ones (Manchester), is still in its infancy so its a bit early to dismiss it as one thing or another. Adam Ford over at the Infantile Disorder blog summed it up rather well:

However, various issues need to be considered. Just like the demonstrators in the Mediterranean countries over the summer, they are predominantly very young and unemployed. This is hardly surprising, as it takes some physical hardiness to camp out in the midst of state hostility for three weeks, and anyone with any regular work commitments simply couldn't afford to spare the time.

Also unsurprisingly, as a generation that has come to political maturity at a time when the trade unions have managed to restrain all class-based resistance, the majority show little awareness of working class struggle as an agent of political change - beyond the struggle of remaining encamped. As sections of the union bureaucracy, plus fellow reactionaries such as former World Bank Vice President Joseph Stiglitz and multi-billionaire financier George Soros voice their 'support' for the demonstrations, they do so with the intention of making them safe for capitalism.

The 'Occupy' movement is exciting, but it must reach out to the wider working class if it is to have any lasting effect on the political landscape.

[Northern]

You better stop that mixed fornicating .

gutted

[LordRaven]

It dates back even further Stoo.

Evidence suggest that when the Romans left the population of England and Wales may have been around 15% African.

Not only that but because The Plague was a minor extinction event that affected Europeans far more than it did Africans it's even possible that only those with African ancestors survived it.

Try not to tell Nick Griffin he's part African, it upsets him.

15% African? Have you got a link for that Jack?

Interracial breeding is the best thing for the gene pool as immunity against any and all diseases will be spread amongst more of the population. However,and equally,congenital problems can get passed on to but the benefits of the former will always surpass the latter.

And I am a great believer that we are all of African descent,as per evidence from mitochondrial dna,which makes a mockery of all white supremacists and equally of despots like Mugabe because if we were able to trace things back I am sure many whites could lay greater claim to Zim then he himself. Fascinating stuff.

Forget the link Jack as I have just found this http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/ses ... ck-romans/

Fascinating.

[LordRaven]

I only got to 2nd post before posting myself and having read the rest,talk about "Off Topic"

[Maddog]

These protesters have faith that the politicians can properly manage the banks, which they proved they can not.

I dont think you can lump all the protesters together as a unified block, it would make more sense to refer to the "protests" as from the coverage I have seen/read (including first hand accounts from those there) it seems that the only thing that they all agree on is the need to make their frustrations heard - in this case via the act of occupying public spaces. Its not like it has descended into an astroturf movement - ala the Tea party - just yet, although, as you pointed out, the involvement of people like Soros shows that attempts will be made by certain interest groups to co-opt it (as is the case with most social movements)

The whole 'occupy' movement, which has spread from New York to other cities, including UK ones (Manchester), is still in its infancy so its a bit early to dismiss it as one thing or another. Adam Ford over at the Infantile Disorder blog summed it up rather well:

However, various issues need to be considered. Just like the demonstrators in the Mediterranean countries over the summer, they are predominantly very young and unemployed. This is hardly surprising, as it takes some physical hardiness to camp out in the midst of state hostility for three weeks, and anyone with any regular work commitments simply couldn't afford to spare the time.

Also unsurprisingly, as a generation that has come to political maturity at a time when the trade unions have managed to restrain all class-based resistance, the majority show little awareness of working class struggle as an agent of political change - beyond the struggle of remaining encamped. As sections of the union bureaucracy, plus fellow reactionaries such as former World Bank Vice President Joseph Stiglitz and multi-billionaire financier George Soros voice their 'support' for the demonstrations, they do so with the intention of making them safe for capitalism.

The 'Occupy' movement is exciting, but it must reach out to the wider working class if it is to have any lasting effect on the political landscape.

I think it is already co-opted. One of the orginizers os Van Jones, Obama's "Green" Czar. It's a good way to deflect blame away from the administration and blame it on something else.

The Crazy thing is, Obama took more Wall Street money then McCain during the last election. The protesters are just simply useful idiots being used by the current administration to diffuse the blame. Barry can't stand on his record. Attacking Republicans is not working, so he will blame banks.

That crap might work in Europe. Won't fly over here.

[Guest]

These protesters have faith that the politicians can properly manage the banks, which they proved they can not.

I dont think you can lump all the protesters together as a unified block, it would make more sense to refer to the "protests" as from the coverage I have seen/read (including first hand accounts from those there) it seems that the only thing that they all agree on is the need to make their frustrations heard - in this case via the act of occupying public spaces. Its not like it has descended into an astroturf movement - ala the Tea party - just yet, although, as you pointed out, the involvement of people like Soros shows that attempts will be made by certain interest groups to co-opt it (as is the case with most social movements)

The whole 'occupy' movement, which has spread from New York to other cities, including UK ones (Manchester), is still in its infancy so its a bit early to dismiss it as one thing or another. Adam Ford over at the Infantile Disorder blog summed it up rather well:

However, various issues need to be considered. Just like the demonstrators in the Mediterranean countries over the summer, they are predominantly very young and unemployed. This is hardly surprising, as it takes some physical hardiness to camp out in the midst of state hostility for three weeks, and anyone with any regular work commitments simply couldn't afford to spare the time.

Also unsurprisingly, as a generation that has come to political maturity at a time when the trade unions have managed to restrain all class-based resistance, the majority show little awareness of working class struggle as an agent of political change - beyond the struggle of remaining encamped. As sections of the union bureaucracy, plus fellow reactionaries such as former World Bank Vice President Joseph Stiglitz and multi-billionaire financier George Soros voice their 'support' for the demonstrations, they do so with the intention of making them safe for capitalism.

The 'Occupy' movement is exciting, but it must reach out to the wider working class if it is to have any lasting effect on the political landscape.

I think it is already co-opted. One of the orginizers os Van Jones, Obama's "Green" Czar. It's a good way to deflect blame away from the administration and blame it on something else.

The Crazy thing is, Obama took more Wall Street money then McCain during the last election. The protesters are just simply useful idiots being used by the current administration to diffuse the blame. Barry can't stand on his record. Attacking Republicans is not working, so he will blame banks.

That crap might work in Europe. Won't fly over here.

so no banks collapsed and no officers arrested?

no massive world famous banking organisation fell by the wayside?

that's good then

in other countries banks fucked their banks and economies

france uk japan germany spain greece australia holland denmark italy south africa korea all were fucked

[Cactus Jack]

Guest you will find Maddog's theories on the Credit Crunch somewhat unusual to say the least - he seems to think that Standard and Poor were quite right to rate Leaman Bros CDO2s as AAA+ and that although not in power at the time Obama is the reason it all went wrong.

Raven - as you said no need for a link - I've pointed others to Homo Britannicus before now (great book and available from Amazon) 15% is a reasonable estimate. I think those who go as high as 18% are over estimating.

[Maddog]

Guest you will find Maddog's theories on the Credit Crunch somewhat unusual to say the least - he seems to think that Standard and Poor were quite right to rate Leaman Bros CDO2s as AAA+ and that although not in power at the time Obama is the reason it all went wrong.

Raven - as you said no need for a link - I've pointed others to Homo Britannicus before now (great book and available from Amazon) 15% is a reasonable estimate. I think those who go as high as 18% are over estimating.

I think you will find that my signature suggests where much of the blame should go. I don't blame Obama for what happened, although he was in Congress and almost always voted the same as the guy my signature mentions.

I do hold him responsible for what he has done, and not done, since he took charge of the executive branch.

I never mentioned S & P, so I have no idea how you could know what I think of their ability to analyse risk.

[Maddog]

These protesters have faith that the politicians can properly manage the banks, which they proved they can not.

I dont think you can lump all the protesters together as a unified block, it would make more sense to refer to the "protests" as from the coverage I have seen/read (including first hand accounts from those there) it seems that the only thing that they all agree on is the need to make their frustrations heard - in this case via the act of occupying public spaces. Its not like it has descended into an astroturf movement - ala the Tea party - just yet, although, as you pointed out, the involvement of people like Soros shows that attempts will be made by certain interest groups to co-opt it (as is the case with most social movements)

The whole 'occupy' movement, which has spread from New York to other cities, including UK ones (Manchester), is still in its infancy so its a bit early to dismiss it as one thing or another. Adam Ford over at the Infantile Disorder blog summed it up rather well:

However, various issues need to be considered. Just like the demonstrators in the Mediterranean countries over the summer, they are predominantly very young and unemployed. This is hardly surprising, as it takes some physical hardiness to camp out in the midst of state hostility for three weeks, and anyone with any regular work commitments simply couldn't afford to spare the time.

Also unsurprisingly, as a generation that has come to political maturity at a time when the trade unions have managed to restrain all class-based resistance, the majority show little awareness of working class struggle as an agent of political change - beyond the struggle of remaining encamped. As sections of the union bureaucracy, plus fellow reactionaries such as former World Bank Vice President Joseph Stiglitz and multi-billionaire financier George Soros voice their 'support' for the demonstrations, they do so with the intention of making them safe for capitalism.

The 'Occupy' movement is exciting, but it must reach out to the wider working class if it is to have any lasting effect on the political landscape.

I think it is already co-opted. One of the orginizers os Van Jones, Obama's "Green" Czar. It's a good way to deflect blame away from the administration and blame it on something else.

The Crazy thing is, Obama took more Wall Street money then McCain during the last election. The protesters are just simply useful idiots being used by the current administration to diffuse the blame. Barry can't stand on his record. Attacking Republicans is not working, so he will blame banks.

That crap might work in Europe. Won't fly over here.

so no banks collapsed and no officers arrested?

no massive world famous banking organisation fell by the wayside?

that's good then

in other countries banks fucked their banks and economies

france uk japan germany spain greece australia holland denmark italy south africa korea all were fucked

And why did the banks do what they did?

Where they suicidal and wanted to implode on themselves?

[Guest]

These protesters have faith that the politicians can properly manage the banks, which they proved they can not.

I dont think you can lump all the protesters together as a unified block, it would make more sense to refer to the "protests" as from the coverage I have seen/read (including first hand accounts from those there) it seems that the only thing that they all agree on is the need to make their frustrations heard - in this case via the act of occupying public spaces. Its not like it has descended into an astroturf movement - ala the Tea party - just yet, although, as you pointed out, the involvement of people like Soros shows that attempts will be made by certain interest groups to co-opt it (as is the case with most social movements)

The whole 'occupy' movement, which has spread from New York to other cities, including UK ones (Manchester), is still in its infancy so its a bit early to dismiss it as one thing or another. Adam Ford over at the Infantile Disorder blog summed it up rather well:

However, various issues need to be considered. Just like the demonstrators in the Mediterranean countries over the summer, they are predominantly very young and unemployed. This is hardly surprising, as it takes some physical hardiness to camp out in the midst of state hostility for three weeks, and anyone with any regular work commitments simply couldn't afford to spare the time.

Also unsurprisingly, as a generation that has come to political maturity at a time when the trade unions have managed to restrain all class-based resistance, the majority show little awareness of working class struggle as an agent of political change - beyond the struggle of remaining encamped. As sections of the union bureaucracy, plus fellow reactionaries such as former World Bank Vice President Joseph Stiglitz and multi-billionaire financier George Soros voice their 'support' for the demonstrations, they do so with the intention of making them safe for capitalism.

The 'Occupy' movement is exciting, but it must reach out to the wider working class if it is to have any lasting effect on the political landscape.

I think it is already co-opted. One of the orginizers os Van Jones, Obama's "Green" Czar. It's a good way to deflect blame away from the administration and blame it on something else.

The Crazy thing is, Obama took more Wall Street money then McCain during the last election. The protesters are just simply useful idiots being used by the current administration to diffuse the blame. Barry can't stand on his record. Attacking Republicans is not working, so he will blame banks.

That crap might work in Europe. Won't fly over here.

so no banks collapsed and no officers arrested?

no massive world famous banking organisation fell by the wayside?

that's good then

in other countries banks fucked their banks and economies

france uk japan germany spain greece australia holland denmark italy south africa korea all were fucked

And why did the banks do what they did?

Where they suicidal and wanted to implode on themselves?

They all wanted to pay themselves massive bonuses for moving money around

They paid out massive bonuses on selling worthless stuff like Junk Bonds.

They mis sold insurance but got massive fuck off bonuses for doing so.

They changed their lending criteria around the world and lent to other useless failing banks.

Their value was based on share price and when that collapsed they were worth far less.

They paid their top management billions in bonuses every year even when they lost money.

They didn't that realise that the concept of capitalism forces readjustments because the few percent of people owning 75% of the wealth means that people will end up with very little money.

They didn't understand that when they fuck an economy people lose jobs en masse and those people have liabilities, which like property fell in value very rapidly.

They all lobbied for lower regulation of financial services when regs were incredibly low anyway.

Now they are making billions but aren't paying a penny towards their devastation.

That happened in the G20 countries. They went to the casino lost trillions and still had the gaul to pay themselves billions for the priviledge

[Big Fat Frosty]

funny isnt it in a banking crisis
the only folks who didnt loose any money was.....
bankers..
and whilst its not over yet
who are now paying themselves bonuses
this year for overseeing this disaster
bankers....
anyone who defends there actions
is either a banker or a fucking fool....

[Guest]

funny isnt it in a banking crisis
the only folks who didnt loose any money was.....
bankers..
and whilst its not over yet
who are now paying themselves bonuses
this year for overseeing this disaster
bankers....
anyone who defends there actions
is either a banker or a fucking fool....

maddog isn't a banker

option 2 has been proved before

[Maddog]

funny isnt it in a banking crisis
the only folks who didnt loose any money was.....
bankers..
and whilst its not over yet
who are now paying themselves bonuses
this year for overseeing this disaster
bankers....
anyone who defends there actions
is either a banker or a fucking fool....

Bankers and those that own banks have lost billions. Saying otherwise is nonsense.

How much of a hit did Barney Frank or Chris Todd take?

How many politicians went to jail over this?

Google Franklin Rains and look how much he made running Fannie into the ground.

[Guest]

funny isnt it in a banking crisis
the only folks who didnt loose any money was.....
bankers..
and whilst its not over yet
who are now paying themselves bonuses
this year for overseeing this disaster
bankers....
anyone who defends there actions
is either a banker or a fucking fool....

Bankers and those that own banks have lost billions. Saying otherwise is nonsense.

How much of a hit did Barney Frank or Chris Todd take?

How many politicians went to jail over this?

Google Franklin Rains and look how much he made running Fannie into the ground.

No bankers lost money in Western Europe. Sure banks lost money as the intelligent guest outlined above. Chief culprits like Fred Goodwin walked away with millions and that's not including any pension provision. That is in the tens of millions as well.

No politicians or bankers in Western Europe were sent down for looting trillions.

You can only name a handful of people who lost money in the crash but how much did they make 1997-2007?

Billions and billions

[wutang]

I think it is already co-opted. One of the orginizers os Van Jones, Obama's "Green" Czar. It's a good way to deflect blame away from the administration and blame it on something else.

Its still to early to be saying thats it has been co-opted - as reflected by the MSM (both left and right) pontificating about how pointless the protests are because they have no leadership or concrete demands. Even squeaky voiced douchebag Sean Hannity said that the message being sent out is too 'incoherent'. If it had descended into astro-turf faux-social movement it would resemble more the Tea Party, which has a very clear top-down organised structure, whereas instead the 'occupy...' protests have come about in a spontaneous manner, its started with a hashtag on twitter, with the people taking to the street for the sake of expressing their frustration with the way things are going, this doesnt automatically mean that they have a clear idea of what and how they wanna bring about change. That is gonna be the key to how the protests develops in the coming weeks

This doesnt rule out that certain groups and people are currently trying to direct it - as the analysis I posted before stated the support of people like Soros, and the politicians you pointed out, are trying to make sure that they dont become a threat to capitalism, instead directing the energy and frustrations of the people into more established (i.e stale) avenues of mainstream politics, which is what the Tea Party was about.