Mississippi voters defeat Abortion ballot

[Big Fat Frosty]

this is the kinda thing im talking about right wing christian america
thankfully defeated this time

Mississippi voters Tuesday defeated a ballot initiative that would've declared life begins at fertilization.
They rejected a proposal that supporters sought in the Bible Belt state as a way to prompt a legal challenge to abortion rights nationwide.
The so-called 'personhood' initiative was thrown out by more than 55 per cent of voters, falling far short of the threshold needed for it to be enacted.
If it had passed, it was virtually assured of drawing legal challenges because it conflicts with the Supreme Court's 1973 Roe v. Wade decision that established a legal right to abortion.
Supporters of the initiative wanted to provoke a lawsuit to challenge the landmark ruling.
The measure divided the medical and religious communities and caused some of the most ardent abortion opponents, including Republican Gov. Haley Barbour, to waver with their support.

Opponents said the measure would have made birth control, such as the morning-after pill or the intrauterine device, illegal.
More specifically, the ballot measure called for abortion to be prohibited 'from the moment of fertilization' — wording that opponents suggested would have deterred physicians from performing in vitro fertilization because they would fear criminal charges if an embryo doesn't survive.
Supporters were trying to impose their religious beliefs on others by forcing women to carry unwanted pregnancies, including those caused by rape or incest, opponents said.
Amy Brunson voted against the measure, in part because she has been raped.
she also has friends and family that had children through in vitro fertilization and she was worried this would end that process.
'The lines are so unclear on what may or may not happen. I think there are circumstances beyond everybody's control that can't be regulated through an amendment,' said Brunson, a 36-year-old dog trainer and theater production assistant from Jackson.
Hubert Hoover, a cabinet maker and construction worker, voted for the amendment.
'I figure you can't be half for something, so if you're against abortion you should be for this. You've either got to be wholly for something or wholly against it,' said Hoover, 71, who lives in a Jackson suburb.
Mississippi already has tough abortion regulations and only one clinic where the procedures are performed, making it a fitting venue for a national movement to get abortion bans into state constitutions.
Voters will also pick a governor to succeed term-limited Republican Gov. Haley Barbour
Keith Mason, co-founder of the group Personhood USA, which pushed the Mississippi ballot measure, has said a win would send shockwaves around the country.
The Colorado-based group is trying to put similar initiatives on 2012 ballots in Florida, Montana, Ohio and Oregon.
Voters in Colorado rejected similar proposals in 2008 and 2010.
Haley Barbour, long considered a 2012 presidential candidate before he ruled out a run this year, said a week ago that he was undecided. A day later, he voted absentee for the amendment, but said he struggled with his support.
'Some very strongly pro-life people have raised questions about the ambiguity and about the actual consequences — whether there are unforeseen, unintended consequences. And I'll have to say that I have heard those concerns and they give me some pause,' Barbour said last week.
Barbour was prevented from seeking re-election because of term limits.
The Democrat and Republican candidates vying to replace him both supported the abortion measure.
Specifically, the proposed state constitutional amendment would've defined a person 'to include every human being from the moment of fertilization, cloning, or the functional equivalent thereof.'
The state's largest Christian denomination, the Mississippi Baptist Convention, backed the proposal through its lobbying arm.
PERSONHOOD MOVEMENTA 21-year-old Colorado student Kristi Burton came up with an idea to pass a state constitutional referendum in order to establish that in law life begins at fertilisation in 2007.
She wanted to overturn the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision which declared abortion legal.
She co-founded Colorado for Equal Rights and got the Colorado Amendment 48 - which defines life beginning from the moment of fertilisation - on the 2008 ballot.
It was defeated.
The Coloradeo Fetal Personhood Amendment appeared on the 2010 ballot and was also defeated.
However it sparked a national 'Personhood' movement to try and get similar amendments made law in other states.
The Mississippi Personhood Amendment makes no exception in cases of rape, incest, or to save the life of the pregnant woman, all abortions would be classified as forms of homicide

The bishops of the Episcopal Diocese of Mississippi and the General Conference of the United Methodist Church opposed it.
A report released earlier this year claimed some 35 per cent of American women will have had an abortion by the time they are aged 45.
The pro-abortion rights Alan Guttmacher Institute also reported that 93 per cent of all abortions occur for 'social reasons'.
Those include instances such as the mother deciding the child is unwanted or 'inconvenient'.
And, surprisingly, the institute claimed that 31 per cent of all abortions performed nationwide are on Catholic women. It also said 18 per cent are performed on born-again Christians or evangelicals.
Both religious groups preach against terminating pregnancies.
The numbers were publicised in January as America marked the 38th anniversary of the Supreme Court's Roe v Wade decision.
President Barack Obama marked the anniversary by stating his commitment to protecting abortion as a 'constitutional right'.
He said the decision 'protects women's health and reproductive freedom, and affirms a fundamental principle: that government should not intrude on private family matters.'
The Institute told CBS News there have been nearly 50million abortions performed since the decision.
Guttmacher said there are 1,793 abortion providers in the U.S., with the average amount paid for an abortion $413.
There were 8,46,181 abortions in the U.S. in 2006, the last year for which government records are available, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said.
Guttmacher claims that number had risen again in 2008, when reports compiled from state and local health agencies showed 1.2million 'legally terminated pregnancies'.
At an average of $413 per pregnancy, that made abortions a procedure that generated some $495million in 2008.
Statistics from the past decade show that abortion remains a significant form of birth control both in America and around the world, CBS reported.
This is despite statistics from the last decade showing that the number of abortions performed in the U.S. has dropped steeply since the early 1980s.
Black women are four times more likely to have an abortion than non-Hispanic white women, said both Guttmacher and the CDC.
BlackGenocide.com, a website dedicated to stopping abortion among African Americans, claims that 13million abortions have been performed on black women in America since Roe v Wade.
The website estimates that 1,876 black pregnancies are terminated in the U.S. on average every day.
Hispanic women are 2.7times as likely to have an abortion than white women


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[Verum]

Well done to those in Mississippi who fought and beat these dangerous fuckers.

[spicy]

I am for abortion. However I do believe that for some women it has become another form of contraception. I used to work with someone that used to brag about how she's had three. I find that sick. I also believe that abortion is (just about an accepted form of evil). You can't dress it up. Abortion is horrible.

[Verum]

I am for abortion. However I do believe that for some women it has become another form of contraception. I used to work with someone that used to brag about how she's had three. I find that sick. I also believe that abortion is (just about an accepted form of evil). You can't dress it up. Abortion is horrible.

Agreed. Abortion should never be entered into lightly.

[Ali]

Let's get this straight. Abortion is not and never has been a form of contraception. Contraception means to prevent a pregnancy starting, abortion means to end one that has already started hence the more widely used term, temination of pregnancy.

They may have the same end in that a child is not born, but they are two distinctly different things.

[spicy]

Let's get this straight. Abortion is not and never has been a form of contraception. Contraception means to prevent a pregnancy starting, abortion means to end one that has already started hence the more widely used term, temination of pregnancy.

They may have the same end in that a child is not born, but they are two distinctly different things.

We all know contraception is the prevention of pregnancy, however even though the foetus is fertilized, having an abortion ensures the pregnancy will not reach it's natural conclusion. I think it fair game to say that some people will treat abortion as another form of contraception and do.

[Trapper John]

Pregnancies should only be terminated under exceptional circumstances, it is not a lifestyle choice for the parents.

[Ali]

No they don't. They treat it as the ending of a pregnancy which has already begun and has been in place for some weeks at least.

As i said, they have the same end, but they aren't the same thing.

did you know that medically a miscarriage is also classed as an abortion.

[spicy]

No they don't. They treat it as the ending of a pregnancy which has already begun and has been in place for some weeks at least.

As i said, they have the same end, but they aren't the same thing.

Let's differ.

All I know is abortions in this country are given out in the same way that candy is given to a baby, it's a disgrace. You can't tell me that the numbers of abortions going ahead is not increasing in numbers year on year. It's always the same in this country to give a little and eventually they want more and more and more. The amount of abortions per person allowed should be limited.

[Ali]

No they don't. They treat it as the ending of a pregnancy which has already begun and has been in place for some weeks at least.

As i said, they have the same end, but they aren't the same thing.

Let's differ.

All I know is abortions in this country are given out in the same way that candy is given to a baby, it's a disgrace. You can't tell me that the numbers of abortions going ahead is not increasing in numbers year on year. It's always the same in this country to give a little and eventually they want more and more and more. The amount of abortions per person allowed should be limited.

We can agree to differ on the terminology yes but it still takes two doctors in this country to OK a TOP. It isn't quite like going to a sweet shop and buying a quarter of lemon sherbets.

I will have to disagree with the limits you want to see placed on abortions per person too.

Got to go to work now so will come back to this if it's still going later.

[Verum]

No they don't. They treat it as the ending of a pregnancy which has already begun and has been in place for some weeks at least.

As i said, they have the same end, but they aren't the same thing.

Let's differ.

All I know is abortions in this country are given out in the same way that candy is given to a baby, it's a disgrace. You can't tell me that the numbers of abortions going ahead is not increasing in numbers year on year. It's always the same in this country to give a little and eventually they want more and more and more. The amount of abortions per person allowed should be limited.

Number of abortions in England & Wales during 2004: 185,415.

Number of abortions in England & Wales during 2009: 189,100. Of this number, 2,085 are as a result of doctors deciding that there is a substantial risk that if the child were born it would suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously handicapped.

See? You know fuck all.

[spicy]

See what ffs;

An increase from 185,415 in 2004 to 189,415 looks like an increase to me.

Why are you just stating England and Wales whatever happened to Scotland???

[spicy]

Besides that just the ones we know about. I know of people having an abortion without even their doctor knowing. Where did you get those statistics?

[Verum]

Besides that just the ones we know about. I know of people having an abortion without even their doctor knowing. Where did you get those statistics?

Evidence for illegal abortions please? From Wiki - challenge the statistics if you don't agree.

Here's some more for you (from a source that even you can understand - The Wail) In total there were 189,100 abortions in 2009, which was down 3.2 per cent from 195,296 in 2008. The results covered women living in England and Wales. A DECREASE!

[spicy]

I can see the statistics stated and see an increase. I wondered why Scotland was not included.

I know of cases that when wanting an abortion bypassed their doctor and specifically asked for their doctor not to be told. It's a bit like schools giving contraception to girls without their parents knowing.

It happens.