Britain should talk about legalising drugs

Britain should talk about legalising drugs

Postby Big Fat Frosty » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:38 am

Britain should talk about legalising drugs, says Colombia president (whose country produces around 80% of world's cocaine)

Britain was urged today to have a major debate on the legalising of drugs like marijuana and even cocaine.
Colombia president Juan Manuel Santos wants a global rethink of drug laws to end the 'violent profit' that comes from drug trafficking.
Mr Santos, whose country produces around 80 percent of the world market in cocaine and is the third-largest grower of marijuana, believes only a co-ordinated worldwide debate can solve the problem.
He said:' If that means legalising, and the world thinks that's the solution, I will welcome it. I'm not against it.'
Mr Santos identified the U.S., Britain and Europe as the highest consumers of illegal drugs and were vital in leading the discussions for an overhaul of the laws.
But he told the Observer: 'What I won't do is become the vanguard of the movement because then I will be crucified.
'But I would gladly participate in those discussions because we are the country that's still suffering most historically.'
Mr Santos is the highest-profile politician in office to openly back a debate on reforms.
He is quoted as saying: 'I would never legalise very hard drugs like morphine or heroin because they are suicidal drugs.
'I might consider legalising cocaine if there is a world consensus, because it has affected us most here in Colombia.
'I don't know what is more harmful, cocaine or marijuana. That's a health discussion. But again, only if there is a consensus.
Mr Santos described how cocaine production is destroying many countries in South America by causing deforestation.'
His call comes before a high-profile drugs policy reform event this week at the House of Lords.
An all-party initiative chaired by Baroness Meacher, and the Beckley Foundation, will issue an open letter signed by leading international politicians, campaigners, economists and musicians calling for a new approach to tackling the issue.
Among the signatories are former presidents of Columbia and Brazil, six Nobel Prize winners, the former Labour Defence Secretary Bob Ainsworth, former US Secretary of State, George Schulz, Sting, Richard Branson and Yoko Ono.
The event will explore whether reforms of drug laws in countries such as Portugal could offer a credible model for the UK and other countries.
It will also hear independent evidence that the legalisation - and taxation - of cannabis in the UK would bring in hundreds of millions of pounds to the exchequer
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Re: Britain should talk about legalising drugs

Postby Trapper John » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:54 am

Much can be said for legalising all drugs currently banned. The most compelling being that it would cut drug related crime 'stone dead' in an instant.

That would mean that 75% at a minimum, of all crime, petty right up to murder, would cease to exist from that moment.

In my opinion, they should be given away free, they are so cheap to produce as to make them worthless, they only value in any of them is that they are illegal.

If idiots want to kill themselves indulging in drug abuse, then let them, personally i'm am sick of being a victim to protect a few losers from throwing away their lives.
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Re: Britain should talk about legalising drugs

Postby Big Fat Frosty » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:02 am

Trapezerjohn wrote:Much can be said for legalising all drugs currently banned. The most compelling being that it would cut drug related crime 'stone dead' in an instant.

That would mean that 75% at a minimum, of all crime, petty right up to murder, would cease to exist from that moment.

In my opinion, they should be given away free, they are so cheap to produce as to make them worthless, they only value in any of them is that they are illegal.

If idiots want to kill themselves indulging in drug abuse, then let them, personally i'm am sick of being a victim to protect a few losers from throwing away their lives.


another myth that theres tons of deaths
from drugs...
there isnt...
the deaths from illegal drugs like leah betts
are miniscule.. jst coz the daily wail scream about them
at the very tops of there voices
the deaths from booze out way them 10 thousand fold
so do obesity and ciggarettes...
its a phoney war thats making some serious cash
for some folks (and they are politically connected)
the likes of tory lord ashcroft of belize
who everyone knows made his fortune in coke
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Re: Britain should talk about legalising drugs

Postby Trapper John » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:13 am

Whatever the cost to our society, in lives or money, by legalising all drugs and making them free, it would be a drop in a vast ocean to the costs we already shell out, trying to keep them illegal.
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Re: Britain should talk about legalising drugs

Postby Big Fat Frosty » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:17 am

Trapezerjohn wrote:Whatever the cost to our society, in lives or money, by legalising all drugs and making them free, it would be a drop in a vast ocean to the costs we already shell out, trying to keep them illegal.


oh absolutely
but i wouldnt go "free"
they should be taxed and regulated like
any other substance for human consumption
cept heroin cant ever legalise that
but yes give heroin addicts a 7 quid a week maintenance script
that saves billions in crime and insurance
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Re: Britain should talk about legalising drugs

Postby Mark » Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:43 pm

course we should

but we wont.




too much money involved, too many Govts involved........


i wonder????
IF the taliban promised to leave the oil pipelines alone
and allow the farmers to grow copious amounts of heroin

could we happily withdraw our troops..............leaving only the logistsics mob, to carry on flying the skag into our country? lol, we could call it the Chinese method.



the villification of many drugs

has fuck all to do with safety.

it never has....................
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Re: Britain should talk about legalising drugs

Postby spicy » Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:51 pm

I absolutely disagree.

If drugs were free the inclination to go overboard with them would be too irrisistable for some. We all know someone that smokes weed, quite often they appear to be in a state of psychosis.

No no no a slippery slope to madness. Car accidents would increase as a result, work effieciency would go down. It beggars belief what would happen.
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Re: Britain should talk about legalising drugs

Postby Big Fat Frosty » Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:35 pm

absolute gutrot rubbish
anyone who wants to take drugs already does regardless of the law
my brother his wife in fact every single one of my family
would never say ohh ill try that now its legal
nor would anyone else i can think of
that is just hyperboli
spread by hysterical daily mail readers
the sheer amount of harm reduction
taking it out of gangster hands into
the goverments hands
has been proved beyong doubt
in switerlannd /portugal
and a few other places that
have dared to try summat new
you obviously like the way things are
with drugs and think current legisation is working
and you couldnt be more wrong if u tried
:thumbsup:
ps
if u still went to prison for possesion
id say yes you might have a point
but seeing as its a police caution now for 1st offence
anyone who wants to try it can do so without any penalty
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Re: Britain should talk about legalising drugs

Postby spicy » Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:19 pm

Frank Black wrote:absolute gutrot rubbish
anyone who wants to take drugs already does regardless of the law
my brother his wife in fact every single one of my family
would never say ohh ill try that now its legal
nor would anyone else i can think of
that is just hyperboli
spread by hysterical daily mail readers
the sheer amount of harm reduction
taking it out of gangster hands into
the goverments hands
has been proved beyong doubt
in switerlannd /portugal
and a few other places that
have dared to try summat new
you obviously like the way things are
with drugs and think current legisation is working
and you couldnt be more wrong if u tried
:thumbsup:
ps
if u still went to prison for possesion
id say yes you might have a point
but seeing as its a police caution now for 1st offence
anyone who wants to try it can do so without any penalty


Rubbish.

We know people that take drugs, the Daily Mail comments you spout are just rubbish what do you read? The Radio Times. Keep them Ilegal.
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Re: Britain should talk about legalising drugs

Postby Big Fat Frosty » Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:23 pm

so u think just say no works?????
ffs
go stick your head back in the sand
no one in there right mind thinks current legislation
is working but there all too scared to do anything else
its political cowardice of the highest order
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Re: Britain should talk about legalising drugs

Postby spicy » Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:33 pm

Frank Black wrote:so u think just say no works?????
ffs
go stick your head back in the sand
no one in there right mind thinks current legislation
is working but there all too scared to do anything else
its political cowardice of the highest order


No one in their right mind - quite - maybe cos the pro-drugs people are all taking them???
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Re: Britain should talk about legalising drugs

Postby Big Fat Frosty » Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:36 pm

yuk yuk
u shudda been in the 3 stooges
"why i oughta".....
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Re: Britain should talk about legalising drugs

Postby Maddog » Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:59 pm

Personally, I think any grown person that wants to put a plant product in their body should be free to do so. I could draw the line with stuff made in someones bath tub.
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Re: Britain should talk about legalising drugs

Postby Big Fat Frosty » Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:24 pm

Maddog wrote:Personally, I think any grown person that wants to put a plant product in their body should be free to do so. I could draw the line with stuff made in someones bath tub.


if drugs like coke and amphetamines and ex
were legal, would there be a demand for crystal meth and crack?
there 2 drugs ive never taken and would certainly think twice about
1 wrong step and your making phosgene gas,
not a product i feel is ever gonna be safe
just recently they banned meow meow
(even tho it was as clean as e and manufactured for human consumption)
after press hyperboli, and what took its place
ivory wave a product really made for cleaning alloy wheels
ffs
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Re: Britain should talk about legalising drugs

Postby Ali » Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:28 pm

Frank Black wrote:
Maddog wrote:Personally, I think any grown person that wants to put a plant product in their body should be free to do so. I could draw the line with stuff made in someones bath tub.


if drugs like coke and amphetamines and ex
were legal, would there be a demand for crystal meth and crack?
there 2 drugs ive never taken and would certainly think twice about
1 wrong step and your making phosgene gas,
not a product i feel is ever gonna be safe
just recently they banned meow meow
(even tho it was as clean as e and manufactured for human consumption)
after press hyperboli, and what took its place
ivory wave a product really made for cleaning alloy wheels
ffs


I hate to say this Frank but you slate vaccinations etc for not being totally safe arguing that one dead child is one child too many, but can the same not be said for drugs, some of which have killed. Surely the same argument applies here that one dead youngster after taking drugs is one youngster too many?
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