New Year stab fest

[TeamRighty]

P.S

come on canny, you gotta laugh at your hypocracy, sorry to shame you and wutang up like that but you asked for it

[TeamRighty]

Now compare those on a pro-rata basis Tr and you will likely find there is little difference between the numbers of murders per 100,000 of the population now than there was then.

twist your way out all you like, canny and wutang have been busted, wont see them round for a while till the dust settles after that one

[wutang]

it appears to be on the increase, i dont know if its because its in the press more, but we didnt hear about this much knife crime even in the 80s and 90s.

its very puzzling wutang

Piece from 2008 looking at knife crime:

Richard Garside, the director of the Centre of Crime and Justice Studies at Kings College London, said: "If you look at the figures for the last 10 years the number of knife victims has remained relatively stable - although there have been spikes - at 200 to 220 a year.

"But there is some evidence the demographic has changed. The average age of homicide victims overall has been going down, with younger and younger victims."

The falling age of victims is something that has been found with both knife and gun crime.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7421534.stm

The part about the average age of the victim now being younger may explain why there is much more coverage - its logical to suspect that a 16yr old being stabbed, and equally a 16yr old doing the stabbing, would cause more outrage than if the perpetrator/victim were older. Kids getting killed tends to make more shocking headlines.

Also if we look at the increasing inequality/poverty and lack of opportunities for younger people it would stand to reason that crime, especially violent ones, would follow. With the present young generation facing tough and uncertain futures (high unemployment, cuts/fees making education unattainable, closing youth services) it can only feed into the problem.

[wutang]

Now compare those on a pro-rata basis Tr and you will likely find there is little difference between the numbers of murders per 100,000 of the population now than there was then.

^This

[TeamRighty]

Now compare those on a pro-rata basis Tr and you will likely find there is little difference between the numbers of murders per 100,000 of the population now than there was then.

twist your way out all you like, canny and wutang have been busted, wont see them round for a while till the dust settles after that one

and youve just contradicted yourself ali, we heard that there are 70 million in the country now compared to 56 million in 1960, so your pro rata shit still doesnt add up

a ten percent or so increase in population and a 200% increase in murders.

busted yet again

[Ali]

Now compare those on a pro-rata basis Tr and you will likely find there is little difference between the numbers of murders per 100,000 of the population now than there was then.

twist your way out all you like, canny and wutang have been busted, wont see them round for a while till the dust settles after that one

and youve just contradicted yourself ali, we heard that there are 70 million in the country now compared to 56 million in 1960, so your pro rata shit still doesnt add up

a ten percent or so increase in population and a 200% increase in murders.

busted yet again

Only a 10% or so increase in the population. Good lord, the way people go on about this country's population now anyone could be forgiven for thinking it had increased by at least 50%.

[TeamRighty]

Now compare those on a pro-rata basis Tr and you will likely find there is little difference between the numbers of murders per 100,000 of the population now than there was then.

twist your way out all you like, canny and wutang have been busted, wont see them round for a while till the dust settles after that one

and youve just contradicted yourself ali, we heard that there are 70 million in the country now compared to 56 million in 1960, so your pro rata shit still doesnt add up

a ten percent or so increase in population and a 200% increase in murders.

busted yet again

Only a 10% or so increase in the population. Good lord, the way people go on about this country's population now anyone could be forgiven for thinking it had increased by at least 50%.

is that all you got?


wheres wutang and kahn gone?

[TeamRighty]

Now compare those on a pro-rata basis Tr and you will likely find there is little difference between the numbers of murders per 100,000 of the population now than there was then.

^This

that

[TeamRighty]

it appears to be on the increase, i dont know if its because its in the press more, but we didnt hear about this much knife crime even in the 80s and 90s.

its very puzzling wutang

Piece from 2008 looking at knife crime:

Richard Garside, the director of the Centre of Crime and Justice Studies at Kings College London, said: "If you look at the figures for the last 10 years the number of knife victims has remained relatively stable - although there have been spikes - at 200 to 220 a year.

"But there is some evidence the demographic has changed. The average age of homicide victims overall has been going down, with younger and younger victims."

The falling age of victims is something that has been found with both knife and gun crime.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7421534.stm

The part about the average age of the victim now being younger may explain why there is much more coverage - its logical to suspect that a 16yr old being stabbed, and equally a 16yr old doing the stabbing, would cause more outrage than if the perpetrator/victim were older. Kids getting killed tends to make more shocking headlines.

Also if we look at the increasing inequality/poverty and lack of opportunities for younger people it would stand to reason that crime, especially violent ones, would follow. With the present young generation facing tough and uncertain futures (high unemployment, cuts/fees making education unattainable, closing youth services) it can only feed into the problem.

thanks for agreeing its on the increase

[TeamRighty]

i cant be posting with you kids, its too easy, its like being in preschool

[Cannydc]

Exactly WHAT doesn't add up, D-D ?

The fact that murders were plentiful pre-1970, and have grown in line with population ?

Or the fact that you have been upstaged by figures you never dreamed of, thinking we had a dozen or so murders a year in those 'halcyon' post-war years, people being deterred by the long arm of the law, Dixon of Dock Green, and the death penalty ???

[Ali]

I don't profess to be very good at maths but as i've worked it out it seems that the numbers of murders in 1960 with an approximate 56 million population are about 2.22 per 100,000 of the population, but going by the approximate 610 in 2010 with a 70 million population the numbers come out at 1.14 murders per 100,000 of the population.

Can someone with better maths skills than me please work it out.

[Cannydc]

"and youve just contradicted yourself ali, we heard that there are 70 million in the country now compared to 56 million in 1960, so your pro rata shit still doesnt add up

a ten percent or so increase in population"


Errr - actually it's 25%.

Which would raise the 400 murders up to 500 at a stroke.

Anyway, I have never pretended that there aren't less people murdered today, just saying that the rise isn't anywhere near as steep as you have inferred. I would say that taking a figure of 400 in 1970, and a figure likely to be around 600 for 2011, and adding in a 20% rise in population, the actual rise per capita works out at around 30% in 40 years, or LESS THAN 1% RISE PER ANNUM.

And the current trend for the last 6 years is decidedly down...

[TeamRighty]

I don't profess to be very good at maths but as i've worked it out it seems that the numbers of murders in 1960 with an approximate 56 million population are about 2.22 per 100,000 of the population, but going by the approximate 610 in 2010 with a 70 million population the numbers come out at 1.14 murders per 100,000 of the population.

Can someone with better maths skills than me please work it out.

now you are saying murders have gone down since 1960, which brings back the start of the thread, why is there so much in the news? is it the media or is it no one used to write about it?

[Cannydc]

"a ten percent or so increase in population and a 200% increase in murders.

busted yet again"


Yes, you have been.

Perhaps you should stop now, D-D.

An increase from 300 to 600 is 100%, NOT 200%......