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Re: Wonderful things happening after the referendum and A50

Postby Stooo » Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:32 pm

Cannydc wrote:"our bastard Govts have blamed them for ALL our ills, for decades whilst depriving us of the many good things of membership"

Can't argue with that, Mark.

We were never proper members, always with our noses pressed against the window gazing in and moaning about non-existent bent cucumbers etc.

My sorrow is for the youngsters who may never enjoy the benefits of free movement and a massive jobs market, instead they will be paying extra taxes for many years to come to pay for our 'freedom'.

A freedom which to me looks like an miserable isolationalist hell wrought by those least likely to suffer it.


Yes we were but we have pissed up the wall all of the advantages that we managed to gain over the last 40 years, I won't bother to list them.
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Re: Wonderful things happening after the referendum and A50

Postby Cannydc » Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:03 pm

Stooo wrote:
Cannydc wrote:"our bastard Govts have blamed them for ALL our ills, for decades whilst depriving us of the many good things of membership"

Can't argue with that, Mark.

We were never proper members, always with our noses pressed against the window gazing in and moaning about non-existent bent cucumbers etc.

My sorrow is for the youngsters who may never enjoy the benefits of free movement and a massive jobs market, instead they will be paying extra taxes for many years to come to pay for our 'freedom'.

A freedom which to me looks like an miserable isolationalist hell wrought by those least likely to suffer it.


Yes we were but we have pissed up the wall all of the advantages that we managed to gain over the last 40 years, I won't bother to list them.


You are right, we were, but certainly not under Thatcher, Cameron or May. All 3 held firmly in thrall by a combination of the right wing media and their own party mavericks.
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Re: Wonderful things happening after the referendum and A50

Postby Stooo » Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:27 pm

Cannydc wrote:
Stooo wrote:
Cannydc wrote:"our bastard Govts have blamed them for ALL our ills, for decades whilst depriving us of the many good things of membership"

Can't argue with that, Mark.

We were never proper members, always with our noses pressed against the window gazing in and moaning about non-existent bent cucumbers etc.

My sorrow is for the youngsters who may never enjoy the benefits of free movement and a massive jobs market, instead they will be paying extra taxes for many years to come to pay for our 'freedom'.

A freedom which to me looks like an miserable isolationalist hell wrought by those least likely to suffer it.


Yes we were but we have pissed up the wall all of the advantages that we managed to gain over the last 40 years, I won't bother to list them.


You are right, we were, but certainly not under Thatcher, Cameron or May. All 3 held firmly in thrall by a combination of the right wing media and their own party mavericks.


Dacre and Murdock should be tried for actual treason along with Haw Haw Farridge...
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Re: Wonderful things happening after the referendum and A50

Postby McAz » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:19 pm

Papadopoulos fallout:

Tom Brake, the Liberal Democrat spokesman for Brexit, said it was time to launch a formal inquiry. “With concerns emerging about possible Russian interference here in the EU referendum, the [Commons] intelligence and security committee needs to be reconstituted as a matter of urgency.”

“Their first inquiry should focus on possible Russian meddling in the EU referendum. People need to know if Russian roubles played any part in securing the small majority for Brexit on 23June 2016.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/04/boris-johnson-brexit-russia-trump
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Re: Wonderful things happening after the referendum and A50

Postby Stooo » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:25 pm

McAz wrote:Papadopoulos fallout:

Tom Brake, the Liberal Democrat spokesman for Brexit, said it was time to launch a formal inquiry. “With concerns emerging about possible Russian interference here in the EU referendum, the [Commons] intelligence and security committee needs to be reconstituted as a matter of urgency.”

“Their first inquiry should focus on possible Russian meddling in the EU referendum. People need to know if Russian roubles played any part in securing the small majority for Brexit on 23June 2016.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/04/boris-johnson-brexit-russia-trump


Without clicking I'm going to guess at Arron Banks and Mercer with their 'interest' in Cambridge Analytica?

It's getting old now and no-one cares. Change the way that we look on new elections rather than dwelling on the past.
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Re: Wonderful things happening after the referendum and A50

Postby McAz » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:32 pm

Stooo wrote:
McAz wrote:Papadopoulos fallout:

Tom Brake, the Liberal Democrat spokesman for Brexit, said it was time to launch a formal inquiry. “With concerns emerging about possible Russian interference here in the EU referendum, the [Commons] intelligence and security committee needs to be reconstituted as a matter of urgency.”

“Their first inquiry should focus on possible Russian meddling in the EU referendum. People need to know if Russian roubles played any part in securing the small majority for Brexit on 23June 2016.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/04/boris-johnson-brexit-russia-trump


Without clicking I'm going to guess at Arron Banks and Mercer with their 'interest' in Cambridge Analytica?

It's getting old now and no-one cares. Change the way that we look on new elections rather than dwelling on the past.


Not sure - the piece does not make a specific link to Brexit or its bankrolling (except reference to Boris) - rather:

...Papadopoulos was still working for the Trump campaign and, according to the FBI’s documents, had made multiple contacts through his intermediary – the “London professor” – with “high-level Russian officials”.
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Re: Wonderful things happening after the referendum and A50

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:33 pm

This article is the subject of legal complaints on behalf of Cambridge Analytica LLC and SCL Elections Limited.
“The connectivity that is the heart of globalisation can be exploited by states with hostile intent to further their aims.[…] The risks at stake are profound and represent a fundamental threat to our sovereignty.”
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“It’s not MI6’s job to warn of internal threats. It was a very strange speech. Was it one branch of the intelligence services sending a shot across the bows of another? Or was it pointed at Theresa May’s government? Does she know something she’s not telling us?”
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Re: Wonderful things happening after the referendum and A50

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:35 pm

It also reveals a critical and gaping hole in the political debate in Britain. Because what is happening in America and what is happening in Britain are entwined. Brexit and Trump are entwined. The Trump administration’s links to Russia and Britain are entwined. And Cambridge Analytica is one point of focus through which we can see all these relationships in play; it also reveals the elephant in the room as we hurtle into a general election: Britain tying its future to an America that is being remade - in a radical and alarming way - by Trump.

There are three strands to this story. How the
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Re: Wonderful things happening after the referendum and A50

Postby Stooo » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:45 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:It also reveals a critical and gaping hole in the political debate in Britain. Because what is happening in America and what is happening in Britain are entwined. Brexit and Trump are entwined. The Trump administration’s links to Russia and Britain are entwined. And Cambridge Analytica is one point of focus through which we can see all these relationships in play; it also reveals the elephant in the room as we hurtle into a general election: Britain tying its future to an America that is being remade - in a radical and alarming way - by Trump.

There are three strands to this story. How the


Of course brexit and the dotard are linked, it's the same money. The UK may well be sailing into ripply waters that have not been fully planned for, I'm not sure that I can afford the shoe leather for yet another fucking election! :woteva:
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Re: Wonderful things happening after the referendum and A50

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:00 pm

All this of course is pre written and published by the club of Rome from the 70's onward.
Americas might and wealth will be used to bring all nations to the table of equality for the new world order.
The middle classes of the Anglo American empire have to be decimated the two countries economies then brought down.
The international bankers then openly owning and ruling the world.
America is too big Britain to much in control of global finance.
Only NKorea and Iran left and of course Vatican city.
Too much gold that gives them too much power.
The power being they can influence even more than America what economies have invested in them .... or not ... so they have to go too.
Laugh all you like but it's all unfolding to plan it would seem ......
Right now the Jesuits think they can beat the ...you know the other people who we must never criticize .... that was dead clever that bit.
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Re: Wonderful things happening after the referendum and A50

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:13 pm

Just curious as most of you think a single global authority run by the people who own the world is a silly conspiracy theory so ... what does someone being identified as a globalist mean to you?
What does globalisation mean?
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Re: Wonderful things happening after the referendum and A50

Postby Stooo » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:53 pm

Grimsby seeks “Brexit exemption” for port industry despite voting 70% OUT

I've listened to the spokesperson for the Grimsby fish industry on the radio several times, hugely pro-brexit and under some sort of illusion that shared waters and inclusive areas are some sort of European thing, they're not. International waters go (from memory) to around 112 miles from the mainland but international law blurs the area within shared territories, you have to share. We export most of the fish that we land to Europe and tariffs along with border controls would totally destroy the industry anyway, fish has a finite shelf life.

So Grimsby wants European protection and exemption now. Funny old world.
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Re: Wonderful things happening after the referendum and A50

Postby wutang » Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:34 pm

Keep Northern Ireland in customs union, says EU

‘All-island’ approach directly contradicts UK position and will alarm the DUP

https://www.ft.com/content/9e11bdcc-c58 ... 0004b4b429



Are Brits ready to give up Northern Ireland in order to get the brexit they want? :dunno:
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Re: Wonderful things happening after the referendum and A50

Postby Stooo » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:35 pm

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Keep Northern Ireland in customs union, says EU

‘All-island’ approach directly contradicts UK position and will alarm the DUP

https://www.ft.com/content/9e11bdcc-c58 ... 0004b4b429



Are Brits ready to give up Northern Ireland in order to get the brexit they want? :dunno:


Define 'Brits'. The Scots, Gibraltans and NI voted to remain.

Also, try give some more explanation of the item when you link to a paywalled site.
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Re: Wonderful things happening after the referendum and A50

Postby wutang » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:09 am

Keep Northern Ireland in customs union, says EU

‘All-island’ approach directly contradicts UK position and will alarm the DUP

The EU is demanding Britain accept that Northern Ireland may need to remain inside the European customs union and single market after Brexit to avoid “a hard border on the island of Ireland”.

The explicit mention of an “all-island” approach by Dublin and Brussels directly contradicts the UK position and will infuriate the Democratic Unionist party, on whose votes Theresa May’s government depends for a parliamentary majority at Westminster.

The European Commission on Wednesday circulated an update on negotiations, seen by the Financial Times, which concludes that the avoidance of “regulatory divergence” on the island of Ireland is “essential” to protect the peace process.

“It consequently seems essential for the UK to commit to ensuring that a hard border on the island of Ireland is avoided, including by ensuring no emergence of regulatory divergence from those rules of the internal market and the customs union,” the paper states.

The commission adds that the regulatory arrangements “are (or may be in the future) necessary for meaningful North-South co-operation, the all-island economy and the protection of the Good Friday Agreement”.

The statement comes days after James Brokenshire, the Northern Ireland secretary, made clear that it would be “impossible” to imagine Belfast remaining within the EU’s customs union and single market, in effect creating a trade border along the Irish Sea after Brexit.

“We will leave the EU in 2019 as one United Kingdom,” Mr Brokenshire said in Brussels on Monday. “We need to ensure that nothing is done that undermines the integrity of the UK single market.”

He added: “I find it difficult to imagine how Northern Ireland could somehow remain in while the rest of the country leaves. I find it impossible.”

The commission’s stance on the potential need for an all-island regulatory solution reflects the hardening position in Dublin over border issues as the Brexit divorce negotiations enter a critical phase.

One senior EU official said the Irish felt they were reaching a point of “maximum leverage” and were “really worried” by the UK position, which insists the Irish border questions can only be fully addressed through a UK-EU trade deal.

Another negotiator involved in talks noted Ireland’s firm stance was becoming a “wild card” factor in the efforts to make “sufficient progress” in divorce talks by December so that talks on UK-EU future relations can begin.

Both Britain and the EU say they are committed to ensuring that Brexit does not undermine the 1998 Good Friday peace agreement or lead to the emergence of hard-border infrastructure between the Republic and Northern Ireland.

Significant progress has been made in the six rounds of Brexit talks to date, including agreement on joint principles to maintain the Common Travel Area between the UK and Ireland. But the border issue has remained far from resolved.

Sensitivities over Northern Ireland have been exacerbated by the UK government’s reliance on the DUP for its parliamentary majority and by the breakdown in Northern Ireland’s power-sharing arrangements, which have left it without an executive since January. The DUP reject the idea of any special arrangements after Brexit that would keep Northern Ireland within the EU’s regulatory orbit.

Dublin has long said Britain should stay in the customs union, reducing many but not all of the political and practical challenges over the Northern Ireland border. Irish officials question the feasibility of the “invisible” border proposed by the UK, with imports and exports being notified online.

Given the practical challenges of the UK leaving the customs union, Simon Coveney, Irish foreign minister, has called for a transition period of up to five years after Brexit, well in excess of the two years suggested by London.

Leo Varadkar, the Irish prime minister, said this week that he was “more optimistic” that a deal on divorce talks could be reached by the end of the year.

But he added that the ultimate decision “will, of course, all depend on what happens over the next number of weeks and what specific assurances and written guarantees we can get from the UK”.
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