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Re: Police Officers Hunting Gunman In America.

Postby Lady Murasaki » Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:47 pm

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Isis would claim anything though wouldn't they? There's no evidence of radicalisation yet.

His brother thinks it could be a brain tumour or something because it was so shockingly out of character.



I'm going with some kind of health issue too, but I'm notoriously wrong about things. :wink:


True, you are :mrgreen:

Do you think it's going to change the people's views on gun control?



It's changed them a little maybe. But the problem is when someone tries to write a law, it gets real difficult to pass because you have to articulate what you want controlled and how. The most I see coming out of this is a ban on bump stocks, which the NRA knows is pretty meaningless, but if the anti gunners think it will make a difference they will get thrown that bone.


Bump stocks? Is that the thing that turns a gun into a machine gun or bulk buying?
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Re: Police Officers Hunting Gunman In America.

Postby Maddog » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:07 pm

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Isis would claim anything though wouldn't they? There's no evidence of radicalisation yet.

His brother thinks it could be a brain tumour or something because it was so shockingly out of character.



I'm going with some kind of health issue too, but I'm notoriously wrong about things. :wink:


True, you are :mrgreen:

Do you think it's going to change the people's views on gun control?



It's changed them a little maybe. But the problem is when someone tries to write a law, it gets real difficult to pass because you have to articulate what you want controlled and how. The most I see coming out of this is a ban on bump stocks, which the NRA knows is pretty meaningless, but if the anti gunners think it will make a difference they will get thrown that bone.


Bump stocks? Is that the thing that turns a gun into a machine gun or bulk buying?



It increases the rate of fire. At least until the gun jambs because it was never really meant to fire that fast.
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Re: Police Officers Hunting Gunman In America.

Postby Lady Murasaki » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:20 pm

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It's changed them a little maybe. But the problem is when someone tries to write a law, it gets real difficult to pass because you have to articulate what you want controlled and how. The most I see coming out of this is a ban on bump stocks, which the NRA knows is pretty meaningless, but if the anti gunners think it will make a difference they will get thrown that bone.


Bump stocks? Is that the thing that turns a gun into a machine gun or bulk buying?


It increases the rate of fire. At least until the gun jambs because it was never really meant to fire that fast.


I doubt that bone will be enough but it'd be a start.
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Re: Police Officers Hunting Gunman In America.

Postby Guest » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:10 pm

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Guest wrote:Las Vegas shooter had plans to escape after massacre, may have had accomplice, sheriff says

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.kiro7.co ... /620033508


Vegas Gunman Scouted Locations in Boston and Chicago, Officials Say

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-v ... ay-n808011


Any indication of a motive?



The sheriff suggests 'radicalization'...
The fbi said no terrorist links at first, now they say they they dont really know what the motive was.


Sheriff: Las Vegas Shooter Paddock May Have Been ‘RADICALIZED’

October 3rd, 2017

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.dailycal ... dicalized/


'We just don't know' the Las Vegas shooter's motives, says the FBI's deputy director


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.c ... ector.html


And theres this:

1,600 Rounds of Ammo, 50 Pounds of Explosives Material Found in Las Vegas Shooter’s Car: Police

https://www.google.com/amp/ktla.com/201 ... olice/amp/


Isis would claim anything though wouldn't they? There's no evidence of radicalisation yet.

His brother thinks it could be a brain tumour or something because it was so shockingly out of character.



I'm going with some kind of health issue too, but I'm notoriously wrong about things. :wink:



What about his probable accomplice(s)? Health issues too?
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Re: Police Officers Hunting Gunman In America.

Postby Guest » Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:03 am

New revelations: Las Vegas gunman shot security guard before opening fire on concertgoers, police say

The gunman who attacked a country music concert in Las Vegas shot a security guard in the hotel before beginning his assault on the concertgoers, Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said Monday, a significant change to the timeline of the massacre that officials had previously given to the public.

Officials had previously said that gunman Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nev., shot Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos after Paddock had started shooting at the Route 91 Harvest country music festival from his 32nd-floor hotel suite on Oct. 1.

Officials had previously credited Campos, who was shot in the leg, with stopping the 10-minute assault by turning the gunman’s attention to the hotel hallway, where Campos was checking an alert for an open door in another guest’s room.

But officials said Monday that Paddock shot Campos before his mass shooting, and they now don’t know why Paddock stopped his attack on the crowd.

Paddock, who had placed security cameras outside his room, shot Campos through the door of his suite.

Investigators previously said that the security guard was shot after Paddock had already spent 10 minutes firing into the crowd of concertgoers gathered below the hotel. Police arrived after Campos was shot, but were not in a hurry to enter Paddock’s suite because the security guard’s arrival had halted the shooting, police said in previously describing the timeline.

But on Monday, the timeline changed.

“Mr. Campos was encountered by the suspect prior to his shooting to the outside world,” Lombardo said at a Monday news conference.

Police officers who started searching the hotel after the shooting began didn’t know a hotel security guard had been shot “until they met him in the hallway after exiting the elevator,” Lombardo said.

Charles "Sid" Heal, a retired Los Angeles County sheriff's commander and tactical expert, said the new timeline “changes the whole perspective of the shooting."

Heal said that if police had known immediately that a guard had been shot, they would have rushed the room while the gunman was still firing. He said it seemed to signal a breakdown in communication.

“It doesn't say much for hotel security,” Heal said.

After Campos was shot, a maintenance worker appeared on the 32nd floor and “Campos prevented him from receiving any injuries,” Lombardo said.

Representatives for the Mandalay Bay hotel casino and the union representing Mandalay Bay’s security guards did not immediately respond to messages seeking comment.

Lombardo said investigators still had not uncovered a motive for Paddock’s attack and had found “zero” evidence of a second gunman. Investigators said Paddock was not seen with anyone before the attack.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-veg ... story.html
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Re: Police Officers Hunting Gunman In America.

Postby Maddog » Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:52 pm

Guest wrote:New revelations: Las Vegas gunman shot security guard before opening fire on concertgoers, police say

The gunman who attacked a country music concert in Las Vegas shot a security guard in the hotel before beginning his assault on the concertgoers, Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said Monday, a significant change to the timeline of the massacre that officials had previously given to the public.

Officials had previously said that gunman Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nev., shot Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos after Paddock had started shooting at the Route 91 Harvest country music festival from his 32nd-floor hotel suite on Oct. 1.

Officials had previously credited Campos, who was shot in the leg, with stopping the 10-minute assault by turning the gunman’s attention to the hotel hallway, where Campos was checking an alert for an open door in another guest’s room.

But officials said Monday that Paddock shot Campos before his mass shooting, and they now don’t know why Paddock stopped his attack on the crowd.

Paddock, who had placed security cameras outside his room, shot Campos through the door of his suite.

Investigators previously said that the security guard was shot after Paddock had already spent 10 minutes firing into the crowd of concertgoers gathered below the hotel. Police arrived after Campos was shot, but were not in a hurry to enter Paddock’s suite because the security guard’s arrival had halted the shooting, police said in previously describing the timeline.

But on Monday, the timeline changed.

“Mr. Campos was encountered by the suspect prior to his shooting to the outside world,” Lombardo said at a Monday news conference.

Police officers who started searching the hotel after the shooting began didn’t know a hotel security guard had been shot “until they met him in the hallway after exiting the elevator,” Lombardo said.

Charles "Sid" Heal, a retired Los Angeles County sheriff's commander and tactical expert, said the new timeline “changes the whole perspective of the shooting."

Heal said that if police had known immediately that a guard had been shot, they would have rushed the room while the gunman was still firing. He said it seemed to signal a breakdown in communication.

“It doesn't say much for hotel security,” Heal said.

After Campos was shot, a maintenance worker appeared on the 32nd floor and “Campos prevented him from receiving any injuries,” Lombardo said.

Representatives for the Mandalay Bay hotel casino and the union representing Mandalay Bay’s security guards did not immediately respond to messages seeking comment.

Lombardo said investigators still had not uncovered a motive for Paddock’s attack and had found “zero” evidence of a second gunman. Investigators said Paddock was not seen with anyone before the attack.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-veg ... story.html


It is a bit odd. The police should have been outside Paddocks door a few minutes after the security guard was shot. An active shooter in a hotel should have brought the cavalry before he trained his weapons out the window. And why did he quit shooting? I'm glad he did, but he had plenty of ammo and functional weapons.
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Re: Police Officers Hunting Gunman In America.

Postby Vam » Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:46 pm

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It is a bit odd. The police should have been outside Paddocks door a few minutes after the security guard was shot. An active shooter in a hotel should have brought the cavalry before he trained his weapons out the window. And why did he quit shooting? I'm glad he did, but he had plenty of ammo and functional weapons.


A very good question. I saw someone on another site suggest it could have been down to him simply deciding "Ok - That's it", and just stopping. That makes as much sense to me as anything else :dunno:

I doubt we'll ever know for sure.
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Re: Police Officers Hunting Gunman In America.

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:49 pm

The officials can change their stories and time ;lines as many times as they wish.
Me and you wouldn't be allowed to.
You make a statement yous stand by it.
So did the guard change his story or did the police change theirs and get him to change his?
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Re: Police Officers Hunting Gunman In America.

Postby Maddog » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:01 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:The officials can change their stories and time ;lines as many times as they wish.
Me and you wouldn't be allowed to.
You make a statement yous stand by it.
So did the guard change his story or did the police change theirs and get him to change his?



Beats me. The casino and it's lawyers may be weighing in too. I'm pretty sure they will be sued for hundreds of millions of dollars. How they private security guard and the casino reacted to a guest shooting at one of their guards will matter.

I imagine the cops are changing their story to match what the security guards has already testified to, to his bosses. Now the question is, why did it take so long to breach the door, when the cops should have known exactly which door it was?
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Re: Police Officers Hunting Gunman In America.

Postby Guest » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:32 am

New disclosure shows a casino guard alerted hotel to gunman before Vegas massacre began. So why did it take so long to stop him?

Before the Las Vegas massacre began, a wounded Mandalay Bay hotel security guard called hotel officials to warn them about a gunman on the 32nd floor, an investigator told the Los Angeles Times on Tuesday.

But police did not arrive at the room where the guard had been shot until after Stephen Paddockhad finished a 10-minute shooting rampage on a crowd gathered below for a country music festival, the investigation now shows.

The revelation that hotel security had been alerted comes a day after Las Vegas police changed their timeline of how the Route 91 Harvest country music festival massacre started on Oct. 1 — not with an attack on a crowd along the Strip at 10:05 p.m., but with the shooting of Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos inside the hotel about six minutes before.

“He called it in before” the attack began, possibly using a hallway phone to contact hotel security, Clark County Assistant Sheriff Tom Roberts told The Times in an interview. “He manually called down and he used his radio to call. … That’s what we were briefed this morning.”

Roberts said he didn’t know precisely what time Campos called in his own shooting before the assault on the concert began, or whether the hotel immediately passed the information to police.

“We just don’t know how long it took him to call. He’s getting shot at, he’s running, he’s getting shot, he finds some cover, that’s when he starts calling in,” Roberts said.

Representatives for Mandalay Bay have not responded to The Times’ requests for more information.

Paddock, 64, a real estate investor and professional gambler from Mesquite, Nev., may have also continued to shoot into the hotel hallway. There are some indications that a maintenance worker appeared in the hallway outside Paddock’s door during the shooting rampage, and the gunman may have interrupted his firing at the crowd to shoot once again into the hallway, Roberts said.

But Roberts said: “I don’t think it took long at all” for the hotel and for police to respond to the shooting.

Roberts said the hotel dispatched its own armed security team to the 32nd floor, which arrived “right around the same time” as Las Vegas police, who officials have said arrived on the floor at 10:17 p.m. But the gunman had already fired his final shots out his hotel window at 10:15 p.m.

By the time police entered the room, Paddock had killed himself.

Some police officers had already been inside the Mandalay Bay building responding to another, unrelated call when the attack happened, Roberts said.

There are no hotel surveillance cameras in the hotel hallway, only on the floor’s elevator banks, and the timestamps on the hotel’s communications systems have in some cases been inaccurate, hampering investigators’ ability to build an accurate timeline while they try to find a motive for the gunman, Roberts said.

“Please remember this — our focus has been all along finding if there were other unknown subjects and trying to trace his steps and trying to do all these things,” said Roberts. Compiling the sequence of events in the hallway, he said, “has not been the priority for us.”

He said officials hope to release a complete timeline on Friday.

Roberts also praised Campos. “In my opinion, I believe he disrupted the subject, interrupted him,” Roberts said. “The fact the security guard did what he did, when he did it, shortened the amount of time that he was going to be shooting on the crowd, in my opinion. It moved up his timeline.”

Attorney Richard A. Patterson, who has already filed legal papers to prevent the distribution of any of Paddock's assets on behalf of victim John Phippen's family, said the latest revelations of a six-minute delay between the shooting of Campos and the beginning of Paddock’s shooting rampage suggest “incompetence" on the part of Mandalay Bay.

"We are talking six minutes, here. This is amazing and shocking that they didn't respond faster," said Patterson, who was planning legal action against Mandalay Bay’s parent company, MGM Resorts International, on behalf of victims and the families of those killed, wounded and injured.

"I think everybody's question is, what if they had gotten there?” Patterson said. “There are high-speed elevators to the 32nd floor, A couple of minutes makes all the difference. At the very least, they could have distracted the killer. Maybe they could have prevented it."

Officials said Paddock had mounted cameras outside his hotel room and first started shooting at Campos through the door of the room when the guard came to check an alert for an open door on another guest’s room. Campos was hit in the leg. Officials estimated Paddock shot 200 rounds into the hallway.

In addition to more than 20 guns, Paddock had a stockpile of what officials described as survivalist equipment in his hotel room, including a bullet-resistant vest, a law enforcement source said Tuesday. Also found in the room were tracer rounds — which light up and reveal the path of a bullet, which can help aim — but Paddock didn't use them, the source said.

Investigators also recovered survivalist equipment at Paddock’s home during searches.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-las ... story.html
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Re: Police Officers Hunting Gunman In America.

Postby Maddog » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:45 am

Guest wrote:New disclosure shows a casino guard alerted hotel to gunman before Vegas massacre began. So why did it take so long to stop him?

Before the Las Vegas massacre began, a wounded Mandalay Bay hotel security guard called hotel officials to warn them about a gunman on the 32nd floor, an investigator told the Los Angeles Times on Tuesday.

But police did not arrive at the room where the guard had been shot until after Stephen Paddockhad finished a 10-minute shooting rampage on a crowd gathered below for a country music festival, the investigation now shows.

The revelation that hotel security had been alerted comes a day after Las Vegas police changed their timeline of how the Route 91 Harvest country music festival massacre started on Oct. 1 — not with an attack on a crowd along the Strip at 10:05 p.m., but with the shooting of Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos inside the hotel about six minutes before.

“He called it in before” the attack began, possibly using a hallway phone to contact hotel security, Clark County Assistant Sheriff Tom Roberts told The Times in an interview. “He manually called down and he used his radio to call. … That’s what we were briefed this morning.”

Roberts said he didn’t know precisely what time Campos called in his own shooting before the assault on the concert began, or whether the hotel immediately passed the information to police.

“We just don’t know how long it took him to call. He’s getting shot at, he’s running, he’s getting shot, he finds some cover, that’s when he starts calling in,” Roberts said.

Representatives for Mandalay Bay have not responded to The Times’ requests for more information.

Paddock, 64, a real estate investor and professional gambler from Mesquite, Nev., may have also continued to shoot into the hotel hallway. There are some indications that a maintenance worker appeared in the hallway outside Paddock’s door during the shooting rampage, and the gunman may have interrupted his firing at the crowd to shoot once again into the hallway, Roberts said.

But Roberts said: “I don’t think it took long at all” for the hotel and for police to respond to the shooting.

Roberts said the hotel dispatched its own armed security team to the 32nd floor, which arrived “right around the same time” as Las Vegas police, who officials have said arrived on the floor at 10:17 p.m. But the gunman had already fired his final shots out his hotel window at 10:15 p.m.

By the time police entered the room, Paddock had killed himself.

Some police officers had already been inside the Mandalay Bay building responding to another, unrelated call when the attack happened, Roberts said.

There are no hotel surveillance cameras in the hotel hallway, only on the floor’s elevator banks, and the timestamps on the hotel’s communications systems have in some cases been inaccurate, hampering investigators’ ability to build an accurate timeline while they try to find a motive for the gunman, Roberts said.

“Please remember this — our focus has been all along finding if there were other unknown subjects and trying to trace his steps and trying to do all these things,” said Roberts. Compiling the sequence of events in the hallway, he said, “has not been the priority for us.”

He said officials hope to release a complete timeline on Friday.

Roberts also praised Campos. “In my opinion, I believe he disrupted the subject, interrupted him,” Roberts said. “The fact the security guard did what he did, when he did it, shortened the amount of time that he was going to be shooting on the crowd, in my opinion. It moved up his timeline.”

Attorney Richard A. Patterson, who has already filed legal papers to prevent the distribution of any of Paddock's assets on behalf of victim John Phippen's family, said the latest revelations of a six-minute delay between the shooting of Campos and the beginning of Paddock’s shooting rampage suggest “incompetence" on the part of Mandalay Bay.

"We are talking six minutes, here. This is amazing and shocking that they didn't respond faster," said Patterson, who was planning legal action against Mandalay Bay’s parent company, MGM Resorts International, on behalf of victims and the families of those killed, wounded and injured.

"I think everybody's question is, what if they had gotten there?” Patterson said. “There are high-speed elevators to the 32nd floor, A couple of minutes makes all the difference. At the very least, they could have distracted the killer. Maybe they could have prevented it."

Officials said Paddock had mounted cameras outside his hotel room and first started shooting at Campos through the door of the room when the guard came to check an alert for an open door on another guest’s room. Campos was hit in the leg. Officials estimated Paddock shot 200 rounds into the hallway.

In addition to more than 20 guns, Paddock had a stockpile of what officials described as survivalist equipment in his hotel room, including a bullet-resistant vest, a law enforcement source said Tuesday. Also found in the room were tracer rounds — which light up and reveal the path of a bullet, which can help aim — but Paddock didn't use them, the source said.

Investigators also recovered survivalist equipment at Paddock’s home during searches.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-las ... story.html



The 200 rounds into the hallway seems dubious. Where did all of those rounds go?

These casinos are supposed to be pretty well equipped to handle their own security (they have a bazillion dollars in them). Maybe the security is geared more towards protecting the cash.

Now that I think about it, that's probably what was happening. They hear gunshots, and all hands on deck are sent to guard the money, not go check out the 32nd floor.

Still doesn't quite explain the cops taking so long to get to the 32nd floor, but I wasn't there, and I'm sure it was chaotic as hell.
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Re: Police Officers Hunting Gunman In America.

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Postby ATXn;D » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:43 am

MEDIA BEGGING US FOR CONSPIRACY THEORIES ON LAS VEGAS

Now the media are just taunting us with their tall tales about Stephen Paddock, the alleged Las Vegas shooter. Reputedly serious news organizations are claiming that he made a living playing video poker. That's like claiming someone made a living smoking crack.

The media are either doing PR for the gambling industry or they don't want anyone considering the possibility that Paddock was using gambling to launder money.

NBC News reports, with a straight face: "Las Vegas gunman earned millions as a gambler." A Los Angeles Times article is headlined, "In the solitary world of video poker, Stephen Paddock knew how to win." The story says that Paddock's gambling "was at least a steady income over a period of years."

I don't know all the ins and outs of Paddock's life, but that's a lie.

How do reporters imagine casino owners make a living? Any ideas on how all those glorious lobbies, lights, pools and fountains are paid for? How do they think Sheldon Adelson and Steve Wynn became billionaires if gambling is a winning proposition for people like Paddock -- and therefore, by definition, a losing proposition for the casinos?

The media think about money the way Democrats do. They have absolutely no conception of where it originates. Those casino owners sure are generous!reporters think to themselves. Economist Thomas Sowell is always ridiculing journalists for not understanding basic economics. It turns out, they don't understand the spreadsheet of a lemonade stand.

The New York Times explained that the "top" video poker machines pay out 99.17 percent. That's great that Paddock was only losing cents on the dollar (if true), but it's still losing. The Times quickly explained that he could have more than made up his losses with all the "comps" -- the free rooms, meals and "50-year-old port that costs $500 a glass," as his brother Eric said.

Gamblers who are beating the house are not given $500 glasses of port. Refer to the profit/loss spreadsheet. And yet, according to his brother, Paddock was treated like royalty by the casinos. Which means he was losing.

Apart from outright theft, the only way to have an advantage over the casino is by card-counting. That's not cheating and it doesn't guarantee a win. It merely allows the gambler to make a more educated guess as each card is played, thereby tilting the odds ever so slightly in his favor. Still, if the casinos suspect a customer is counting cards, he will be promptly escorted off the premises.

And counting cards only helps with blackjack. Paddock's game of choice was VIDEO POKER. That's a computer! It's programmed to ensure the house wins. Not all the time, but at least often enough to make casino owners multibillionaires. Anyone who plays video poker over an extended period of time will absolutely, 100 percent, by basic logic, end up a net loser.

So why are the media insistent that Paddock was getting rich by playing video poker?

I don't know what happened -- and, apparently, neither do the cops -- but it's kind of odd that we keep being told things that aren't true about the Las Vegas massacre, from the basic timeline to this weird insistence that Paddock made a good living at gambling.

The most likely explanation is that the reporters and investigators are incompetent nitwits. But the changing facts from law enforcement and preposterous lies from the press aren't doing a lot to tamp down alternative theories of the crime.

Among the questions not being asked by our wildly incurious media:

Why would Paddock unload 200 rounds into the hallway at a security guard who was checking on someone else's room before beginning his massacre?

How can it possibly take eight days to figure out when the alleged shooter checked into the hotel?

Why was Paddock wearing gloves if he was about to commit suicide?

Have any other solitary mass shooters ever had girlfriends?

If Paddock wasn't making money on video poker -- and he wasn't -- why would he be cycling millions of dollars through a casino, turning every dollar into, at best, 99 cents?

Maybe Paddock enjoyed video poker. But if the allegedly serious media are going to keep telling us he was making a living doing it, they're just begging us to say that losing a percent or two on millions of dollars doesn't make sense as an investment strategy, but it does make sense as a money laundering operation.

And the probable illicit business requiring money to be laundered that leaps out at us in Paddock's case is illegal gun sales. If true, it would not only explain the arsenal in his hotel room, but also raises the possibility of either an accomplice or different perpetrator altogether.

If this were a movie script, a terrorist would go to Paddock's room on the pretense of buying guns, kill Paddock, commit the massacre, put his gunshot residue-covered gloves on Paddock's dead hands and slip out of the room when the coast was clear.

According to the all-new timeline given by the Las Vegas police -- pending a third revision -- this is at least possible. The hallway was empty, except for a bleeding security guard down by the elevators, for at least two minutes after the shooting stopped. The stairwell was clear for more than half an hour. It also explains the gloves.

There's no evidence for any of this, but on the other hand, there's no evidence for the version the media are giving us. At least the movie script version doesn't require us to pretend that Paddock was making "millions" from video poker.

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Re: Police Officers Hunting Gunman In America.

Postby Lady Murasaki » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:19 am

If this were a movie script, a terrorist would go to Paddock's room on the pretense of buying guns, kill Paddock, commit the massacre, put his gunshot residue-covered gloves on Paddock's dead hands and slip out of the room when the coast was clear.

According to the all-new timeline given by the Las Vegas police -- pending a third revision -- this is at least possible. The hallway was empty, except for a bleeding security guard down by the elevators, for at least two minutes after the shooting stopped. The stairwell was clear for more than half an hour. It also explains the gloves.


Surely a terrorist wouldn't want to cover up his/her deed, terrorists want to be known for their terrorising.

If it's a movie script surely it would be someone undercover like the CIA.
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