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Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Cannydc » Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:41 pm

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Cannydc wrote:However I, like many others, show an interest in what kind of upbringing two ten year old kids had, which gave them such a lack of moral compass allowing them to do such a thing.

The idea then, once understood, may be used for future prevention. Some good could come from such a horrendous crime.


You are assuming that upbringing is a significant factor in the actions of such people. It may be for some, but certainly not all. Ted Bundy had a normal childhood in terms of how he was treated by his family. Psychopaths are born, but they don't always become criminals.

Even if it were always true that an abusive upbringing would cause a young psychopath to become a killer in his or her later years, what could we do about it? Abuse is almost always hidden.


Deprogramme them? Is that possible with therapy?
Don't some paedophiles opt to be chemically castrated?


There is no 'cure' for psychopathy. The brains of people with psychopathic treats exhibit different levels of activity in key areas when compared with the controls. It's essentially hard wired. Therapy might help with minimising criminal behaviour, but the impulsiveness combined with lack of remorse make this a challenge. Psychopaths are far more likely to re-offend upon release from prison.


Were this pair medically diagnosed as psychopathic ?

If so, you are correct. If not, there is another explanation somewhere.
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Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Poca » Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:10 pm

Trapper John wrote:Very emotive subject this.

I do wonder though how long anonimity should last? 35 years and several attempts at it shows it's not working here, mainly because the person enjoying it doesn't appear to find it worthwhile or necessary.

This bloke has been flawed since childhood, probably since birth I don't see that ever changing. If you weigh up the costs of keeping him in prison and do likewise with letting him out, what options are you left with?


Hang the evil bastard maybe? :shake head:
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Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Lambert » Thu Nov 23, 2017 4:03 pm

Cannydc wrote:Were this pair medically diagnosed as psychopathic ?

If so, you are correct. If not, there is another explanation somewhere.


I don't know if their medical history in that regard has ever been made public. 'Psychopath' isn't actually a medical diagnosis anyway.
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Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Vicks » Thu Nov 23, 2017 4:23 pm

I was reading about this elsewhere and it said that unlike Robert Thompson, Venables has never shown any remorse for killing wee James.
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Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Cannydc » Thu Nov 23, 2017 4:44 pm

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Cannydc wrote:Were this pair medically diagnosed as psychopathic ?

If so, you are correct. If not, there is another explanation somewhere.


I don't know if their medical history in that regard has ever been made public. 'Psychopath' isn't actually a medical diagnosis anyway.


What an interesting post.

The term is splattered around forums every time a violent crime takes place, so I looked it up.

Seemingly, no psychiatric or psychological organization has sanctioned a diagnosis titled "psychopathy", although assessments of psychopathic characteristics are widely used in criminal justice settings in some nations, and may have important consequences for individuals.

You are 100% correct, so they were obviously never diagnosed as psychopaths and therefore it seems that upbringing is the next place to look.
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Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Lambert » Thu Nov 23, 2017 5:07 pm

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Cannydc wrote:Were this pair medically diagnosed as psychopathic ?

If so, you are correct. If not, there is another explanation somewhere.


I don't know if their medical history in that regard has ever been made public. 'Psychopath' isn't actually a medical diagnosis anyway.


What an interesting post.

The term is splattered around forums every time a violent crime takes place, so I looked it up.

Seemingly, no psychiatric or psychological organization has sanctioned a diagnosis titled "psychopathy", although assessments of psychopathic characteristics are widely used in criminal justice settings in some nations, and may have important consequences for individuals.

You are 100% correct, so they were obviously never diagnosed as psychopaths and therefore it seems that upbringing is the next place to look.


Well you've slightly twisted things there Canny you cheeky rascal. There is some controversy re. the classification of certain personality disorders, in fact the entire system that comes up with these diagnoses and their required traits is heavily criticised. It was decided that behaviour, and not personality traits, were more important in diagnosing a patient. How do you objectively assess how much empathy someone is capable of, for example? Easier to assess actual behaviour. And so they came up Antisocial Personality Disorder, or ASPD. Not all psychopaths will have ASPD, and vice versa, although there will be significant overlap.

So, while Venables and Thompson won't have been diagnosed with psychopathy, it's possible they were diagnosed with ASPD, or that they are psychopaths but haven't been diagnosed with ASPD. Only they and their doctors will know their medical history, so neither of us are in a position to say whether or not their actions can be blamed at least in part on genetic factors.
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Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Guest » Thu Nov 23, 2017 5:25 pm

Vicky wrote:Oh and i think it's disgusting that this murderer and pervert is still being protected by the law.

We should know what he looks like and what name, he has at the moment.

The law is there to protect everybody, that's why it's called the law.

Or if you prefer the law can protect nobody and Jon Venables can walk free because he was stronger and when there's no law who is stronger is the only law.
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Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Vicks » Thu Nov 23, 2017 5:32 pm

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Vicky wrote:Oh and i think it's disgusting that this murderer and pervert is still being protected by the law.

We should know what he looks like and what name, he has at the moment.

The law is there to protect everybody, that's why it's called the law.

Or if you prefer the law can protect nobody and Jon Venables can walk free because he was stronger and when there's no law who is stronger is the only law.


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Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Guest » Thu Nov 23, 2017 5:42 pm

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Cannydc wrote:"They (liberals, naturally) like to try and out do one another to see who can be the most compassionate to the child murderer and the most sneery at those who would happily see him choke."

Really ?

I have never met one of these 'liberals' espousing such compassion to a murderer. However I, like many others, show an interest in what kind of upbringing two ten year old kids had, which gave them such a lack of moral compass allowing them to do such a thing.

The idea then, once understood, may be used for future prevention. Some good could come from such a horrendous crime.

But I suppose such an idea would never enter the heads of the 'string-em-up brigade, would it ?


sneering? tick. Attempting to out do other liberals with compassion for child murderers? tick. My point proven by your very response? tick

How is that understanding going? he is what 35 now and still offending against kids. How much longer do you sneering liberals suggest we allow our children to be put at risk for so you can finish your 'understanding'?

It is you who sneered and you were met with a rational explanation of why not immediately stringing a serial killer up can have a highly beneficial effect on society. Studies of US serial killers have gone a long way to improving our understanding of the developmental signs and triggers that can lead to significant behavioural disorders and allowed interventions that prevent individuals at risk from doing greater harm. It is from such studies that, as an example, the register of sex offenders which records the subjects of allegations of rape and sexual assault that were strongly evidenced but did not resulted in a guilty verdict was instigated.

Somehow you also confuse an attempt to understand with compassion thus again applying your emotions to a purely rational process, are your hormones playing up? As with any disease understanding the causes, progress and contagion is the key to preventing the spread of the disease. Once again the outcome to this isn't always 'liberal' as you would describe it, a greater readiness to sanction parents who keep their children away from school isn't something most would describe as liberal but it arises, in part, from the fact that abusive parents are more likely to keep their children out of school.

So you point was disproved - all that was proven was that you are a prick and a troll.
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Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Stooo » Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:22 pm

Guest wrote:always been a bit of a posterboy for the liberals this scumbag. They like to try and out do one another to see who can be the most compassionate to the child murderer and the most sneery at those who would happily see him choke. To the liberal left the abused children in the pictures he likes to save on his hard drive are mere collateral damage (something we should just tolerate in their lofty quest to 'rehabilitate' scum) in their quest to try and show how tolerant and compassionate they can be to child murderers.


I've not seen anything in our party literature about Venables which means that your posts about us will not be approved and others removed.

You need to stop generalising you utter cuntrag :smilin:
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Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Cannydc » Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:00 pm

Lambert wrote:
Cannydc wrote:
Lambert wrote:
Cannydc wrote:Were this pair medically diagnosed as psychopathic ?

If so, you are correct. If not, there is another explanation somewhere.


I don't know if their medical history in that regard has ever been made public. 'Psychopath' isn't actually a medical diagnosis anyway.


What an interesting post.

The term is splattered around forums every time a violent crime takes place, so I looked it up.

Seemingly, no psychiatric or psychological organization has sanctioned a diagnosis titled "psychopathy", although assessments of psychopathic characteristics are widely used in criminal justice settings in some nations, and may have important consequences for individuals.

You are 100% correct, so they were obviously never diagnosed as psychopaths and therefore it seems that upbringing is the next place to look.


Well you've slightly twisted things there Canny you cheeky rascal. There is some controversy re. the classification of certain personality disorders, in fact the entire system that comes up with these diagnoses and their required traits is heavily criticised. It was decided that behaviour, and not personality traits, were more important in diagnosing a patient. How do you objectively assess how much empathy someone is capable of, for example? Easier to assess actual behaviour. And so they came up Antisocial Personality Disorder, or ASPD. Not all psychopaths will have ASPD, and vice versa, although there will be significant overlap.

So, while Venables and Thompson won't have been diagnosed with psychopathy, it's possible they were diagnosed with ASPD, or that they are psychopaths but haven't been diagnosed with ASPD. Only they and their doctors will know their medical history, so neither of us are in a position to say whether or not their actions can be blamed at least in part on genetic factors.


Well, it's not as if I am personally looking - and that medical staff dealing with them probably did.

What is fair to say is that despite desires to the contrary from some, we have yet to sanction punishing crimes that people have yet to commit.
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Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Major Starbold » Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:02 pm

He was so young when he committed such a heinous crime against another youngster.

I cannot imaging WHY such a youngster as he would have something so evil/vile on his mind.

He has had a shed load of dosh spent on him in the name of rehabilitation yet spurns everything by still doing things he KNOWS he should not do.

ANYONE watching internet or other child porn should be hanged when caught.

The internet should stop it at source or at least make an effort to do so.

The only thing is to keep him in jail, PERSONALLY, I would hang him in the town square, I can tie a noose not that they use them nowadays..
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Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Cannydc » Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:15 pm

Major Starbold wrote:He was so young when he committed such a heinous crime against another youngster.

I cannot imaging WHY such a youngster as he would have something so evil/vile on his mind.

He has had a shed load of dosh spent on him in the name of rehabilitation yet spurns everything by still doing things he KNOWS he should not do.

ANYONE watching internet or other child porn should be hanged when caught.

The internet should stop it at source or at least make an effort to do so.

The only thing is to keep him in jail, PERSONALLY, I would hang him in the town square, I can tie a noose not that they use them nowadays..


Do you realise how juvenile your trolling sounds when interspersed with a serious conversation ?
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Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Stooo » Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:51 pm

Cannydc wrote:
Major Starbold wrote:He was so young when he committed such a heinous crime against another youngster.

I cannot imaging WHY such a youngster as he would have something so evil/vile on his mind.

He has had a shed load of dosh spent on him in the name of rehabilitation yet spurns everything by still doing things he KNOWS he should not do.

ANYONE watching internet or other child porn should be hanged when caught.

The internet should stop it at source or at least make an effort to do so.

The only thing is to keep him in jail, PERSONALLY, I would hang him in the town square, I can tie a noose not that they use them nowadays..


Do you realise how juvenile your trolling sounds when interspersed with a serious conversation ?


Russian troll account, been at it for years.
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Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Cannydc » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:07 pm

Stooo wrote:
Cannydc wrote:
Major Starbold wrote:He was so young when he committed such a heinous crime against another youngster.

I cannot imaging WHY such a youngster as he would have something so evil/vile on his mind.

He has had a shed load of dosh spent on him in the name of rehabilitation yet spurns everything by still doing things he KNOWS he should not do.

ANYONE watching internet or other child porn should be hanged when caught.

The internet should stop it at source or at least make an effort to do so.

The only thing is to keep him in jail, PERSONALLY, I would hang him in the town square, I can tie a noose not that they use them nowadays..


Do you realise how juvenile your trolling sounds when interspersed with a serious conversation ?


Russian troll account, been at it for years.


Dear God, they aren't very good at it, that's for sure Stooo.

Even Katie Hopkins is better.
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