Jon Venables.

Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Stooo » Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:09 pm

Cannydc wrote:
Stooo wrote:
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Major Starbold wrote:He was so young when he committed such a heinous crime against another youngster.

I cannot imaging WHY such a youngster as he would have something so evil/vile on his mind.

He has had a shed load of dosh spent on him in the name of rehabilitation yet spurns everything by still doing things he KNOWS he should not do.

ANYONE watching internet or other child porn should be hanged when caught.

The internet should stop it at source or at least make an effort to do so.

The only thing is to keep him in jail, PERSONALLY, I would hang him in the town square, I can tie a noose not that they use them nowadays..


Do you realise how juvenile your trolling sounds when interspersed with a serious conversation ?


Russian troll account, been at it for years.


Dear God, they aren't very good at it, that's for sure Stooo.

Even Katie Hopkins is better.


This one even has a fucked spellcheck :mrgreen:
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Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Markey mark » Fri Nov 24, 2017 8:52 am

Stooo wrote:
Cannydc wrote:
Stooo wrote:
Cannydc wrote:
Major Starbold wrote:He was so young when he committed such a heinous crime against another youngster.

I cannot imaging WHY such a youngster as he would have something so evil/vile on his mind.

He has had a shed load of dosh spent on him in the name of rehabilitation yet spurns everything by still doing things he KNOWS he should not do.

ANYONE watching internet or other child porn should be hanged when caught.

The internet should stop it at source or at least make an effort to do so.

The only thing is to keep him in jail, PERSONALLY, I would hang him in the town square, I can tie a noose not that they use them nowadays..


Do you realise how juvenile your trolling sounds when interspersed with a serious conversation ?


Russian troll account, been at it for years.


Dear God, they aren't very good at it, that's for sure Stooo.

Even Katie Hopkins is better.


This one even has a fucked spellcheck :mrgreen:




The liberals love to defend people like John venables marjor , they probably blame his parents or the day his hamster died , the real truth he a monster and won’t stop at nothing in harming the vulnerable, the people who stand up for child killers are as sick in the head too,
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Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Guest » Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:34 pm

Markey mark wrote:The liberals love to defend people like John venables marjor , they probably blame his parents or the day his hamster died , the real truth he a monster and won’t stop at nothing in harming the vulnerable, the people who stand up for child killers are as sick in the head too,

Let's analyse the above fallacy by fallacy.

We'll start with the use of a false syllogism - The liberals - a large group that cannot be defined or delimited. The supposed group is therefore defined solely within the delusion of the proposer and can be given any attribute. The liberals is meaningless as a definition except as a grab bag into which all subsequent fallacies can be grouped.

Having created a fictitious group the proposer then attributes and action - in this case defending Jon Venables - something that nobody outside of the proposer's imagination, and therefore only the proposer himself, has done.

Having offered a defence of Jon Venables the proposer further imagines a justification he feels would mitigate Jon Venables crimes, that garbage about a hamster dying is a smoke screen to cover the proposers real message - he feels Jon Venables parents are to blame for the murder of Jamie Bulger.

So we have a person who blames Jon Venables parents for actions in which they had no part in - nor is this the first time that a conservative has proposed blaming Jon Venables mother for his crimes. The Daily Mail probed Venables family life and found that he was the fifth of seven children whose mother was an alcoholic and whose father had deserted him two years before. However much as the Markey - the actual proposer under the guise of a false syllogism - might propose this the fact is that many other people have come from as difficult or more challenging backgrounds without resorting to murdering an infant. Like the conservatives of many years ago Markey is wide of the mark - although at least conservatives have sufficient shame to try to attribute their views to someone else this time.

Which is not to say that there weren't instances in Jon Venables past where warning signs were not in evidence hence the need for Markey to absolve those who have learned nothing from the crime. If Jon Venables was 'always' going to be a murderer then the next Jon Venables is equally inevitable and support for single parent families struggling on low incomes isn't going to help the situation. Here we come across the reason why Markey has created the fictitious 'defenders' of Jon Venables, in fact a small voice of conscience within himself that says the next 'Jamie Bulger' will be in part on his hands because his belief that attempts to mitigate the psychological damage done to the victims of deprivation are not sincerely held, they are a cover for a selfish desire to have more for himself at the expense of others.

So what appears to be an attack on 'The Liberals' is actually a confession of guilt from Markey and those he perceives share his retrograde and medieval views.

Confession accepted Markey.
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Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Vicks » Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:07 pm

Jon Venables lived with his parents and brother and sister.

It was Robert Thompson who came from a big family and who's mother was a single parent.

As far as we know, Robert Thompson hasn't committed any other crimes since his release.
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Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Keyser » Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:41 pm

Venables should never breathe free air again.

He is a psychopath pure and simple.
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Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Cannydc » Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:34 pm

Cenobite wrote:Venables should never breathe free air again.

He is a psychopath pure and simple.


They probably both are.

I can't imagine what ever made Venables think he could get away with kiddie porn on his computer - especially having been caught before. A thick psychopath, then.
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Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Major » Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:38 pm

Cannydc wrote:
Major Starbold wrote:He was so young when he committed such a heinous crime against another youngster.

I cannot imaging WHY such a youngster as he would have something so evil/vile on his mind.

He has had a shed load of dosh spent on him in the name of rehabilitation yet spurns everything by still doing things he KNOWS he should not do.

ANYONE watching internet or other child porn should be hanged when caught.

The internet should stop it at source or at least make an effort to do so.

The only thing is to keep him in jail, PERSONALLY, I would hang him in the town square, I can tie a noose not that they use them nowadays..


Do you realise how juvenile your trolling sounds when interspersed with a serious conversation ?



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Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Cannydc » Fri Nov 24, 2017 8:00 pm

Major Starbold wrote:
Cannydc wrote:
Major Starbold wrote:He was so young when he committed such a heinous crime against another youngster.

I cannot imaging WHY such a youngster as he would have something so evil/vile on his mind.

He has had a shed load of dosh spent on him in the name of rehabilitation yet spurns everything by still doing things he KNOWS he should not do.

ANYONE watching internet or other child porn should be hanged when caught.

The internet should stop it at source or at least make an effort to do so.

The only thing is to keep him in jail, PERSONALLY, I would hang him in the town square, I can tie a noose not that they use them nowadays..


Do you realise how juvenile your trolling sounds when interspersed with a serious conversation ?



WTHAYOA ???????????????????


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Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Gabby » Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:44 pm

Vicky wrote:Oh and i think it's disgusting that this murderer and pervert is still being protected by the law.

We should know what he looks like and what name, he has at the moment.


There's a photo of him as he is now doing the rounds on Facebook..... keeps getting deleted and reposted!
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Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Guest » Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:12 am

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Vicky wrote:Oh and i think it's disgusting that this murderer and pervert is still being protected by the law.

We should know what he looks like and what name, he has at the moment.


There's a photo of him as he is now doing the rounds on Facebook..... keeps getting deleted and reposted!


He'd die out naturally if he stopped being such a cunt.
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Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Lady Murasaki » Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:53 pm

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Cannydc wrote:However I, like many others, show an interest in what kind of upbringing two ten year old kids had, which gave them such a lack of moral compass allowing them to do such a thing.

The idea then, once understood, may be used for future prevention. Some good could come from such a horrendous crime.


You are assuming that upbringing is a significant factor in the actions of such people. It may be for some, but certainly not all. Ted Bundy had a normal childhood in terms of how he was treated by his family. Psychopaths are born, but they don't always become criminals.

Even if it were always true that an abusive upbringing would cause a young psychopath to become a killer in his or her later years, what could we do about it? Abuse is almost always hidden.


Deprogramme them? Is that possible with therapy?
Don't some paedophiles opt to be chemically castrated?


There is no 'cure' for psychopathy. The brains of people with psychopathic treats exhibit different levels of activity in key areas when compared with the controls. It's essentially hard wired. Therapy might help with minimising criminal behaviour, but the impulsiveness combined with lack of remorse make this a challenge. Psychopaths are far more likely to re-offend upon release from prison.


Yeah, I don't believe that.
Everyone has traits of psychopathy. It's just that the trigger for committing the crime is different.
Working out the extreme ones triggers and working on that is possible. But society at large plays a part too, our media display a lot of psychopathic tendencies.
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Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Guest » Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:24 pm

Lady Murasaki wrote:Yeah, I don't believe that.
Everyone has traits of psychopathy. It's just that the trigger for committing the crime is different.
Working out the extreme ones triggers and working on that is possible. But society at large plays a part too, our media display a lot of psychopathic tendencies.

Being a psychopath isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Psychopaths can be very driven, have a great deal of self belief and be risk takers, their focus on solving the problem rather than showing empathy for those affected by it can give them a focus that others lack. Most racing drivers, for example, score high on the psychopathy scale and the best surgeons too show psychopathic tendancies.

The difference between a racing driver and a murderer is in behaviour, which is learned, not psychopathy which is inherited
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Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Lambert » Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:37 pm

Perhaps I should have worded it differently: enough traits to be considered a psychopath.

What is it you don't believe? That a psychopath can't become a non-psychopath? That's just not possible. It's like saying you can 'cure' homosexuality.
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Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Lady Murasaki » Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:58 pm

^^to both guest and Lamby, I'm not saying psychopathy is a bad thing because everyone has the potential to do harm
Is it the psychopathy part that makes them driven or is that the part that makes them commit the crime?
I agree being cold can be an advantage in certain areas of life but to be so cold that you would murder another is the part that could be 'tweaked', surely?
Lamby, you have written them off but you don't know about how successfully some have been 'tweaked' to be less murderous because there's no statistical evidence for it. ie. A crime was not committed.
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Re: Jon Venables.

Postby Keyser » Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:59 pm

Guest wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:Yeah, I don't believe that.
Everyone has traits of psychopathy. It's just that the trigger for committing the crime is different.
Working out the extreme ones triggers and working on that is possible. But society at large plays a part too, our media display a lot of psychopathic tendencies.

Being a psychopath isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Psychopaths can be very driven, have a great deal of self belief and be risk takers, their focus on solving the problem rather than showing empathy for those affected by it can give them a focus that others lack. Most racing drivers, for example, score high on the psychopathy scale and the best surgeons too show psychopathic tendancies.

The difference between a racing driver and a murderer is in behaviour, which is learned, not psychopathy which is inherited


In a discussion like this I often mention this book and these statistics.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wisdom-Psychop ... 0099551063

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James Fallon is a very interesting case.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... th/282271/

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Psychopath-Ins ... 1591846005
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