NHS IN CRISIS

Re: NHS IN CRISIS

Postby Lionel Jesse » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:44 pm

As this is neither made clear, reported or anything but two random no marks online claiming it... Any actually evidence.

There's also the view from paramedics themselves. That most people shouldn't even be in the back of an ambulance. This would be part of the entitled culture of today I guess. The Guardian reported it as 66% of people who call for an ambulance don't need one.

But yeh, if you have something that confirms the hospital's communicate over where there is room to take a patient rather than have then sat in an ambulance or on a trolly. I of course hope it happens as it would be logical... But logic and the NHS aren't two things that often go together.

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Re: NHS IN CRISIS

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:51 pm

Yesterday you were talking about posters small minds.
Now we're nomarks.
The way you approach everything and everyone on here shows you to be an egotist.
Ironically this makes you the nomark.
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Re: NHS IN CRISIS

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:09 pm

Lionel Jesse wrote: That most people shouldn't even be in the back of an ambulance. This would be part of the entitled culture of today I guess.




Explain how being unfortunate enough to be stuck in the back of an ambulance would relate in any way to what you call an entitlement culture please.
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Re: NHS IN CRISIS

Postby Lionel Jesse » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:20 pm

Not my views, the views of Paramedics interviewed by The Guardian. Of ever 12 people in the back of their ambulance, 8 should have never been there.

As for how does it relate to our entitlement culture.... how about in the same way as those people with a sniffle who clog up doctors and A&E departments, or those with minor injuries that can be treated away from the A&E or even at home. And thats just the tip of the ice berg.
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Re: NHS IN CRISIS

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:51 pm

Lionel Jesse wrote:Not my views, the views of Paramedics interviewed by The Guardian. Of ever 12 people in the back of their ambulance, 8 should have never been there.

As for how does it relate to our entitlement culture.... how about in the same way as those people with a sniffle who clog up doctors and A&E departments, or those with minor injuries that can be treated away from the A&E or even at home. And thats just the tip of the ice berg.

That's why I believe doctors should be doing home visits and be available 24/7.
It can't be that difficult to organise rotas in surgeries.
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Re: NHS IN CRISIS

Postby Cannydc » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:42 pm

Lionel Jesse wrote:As this is neither made clear, reported or anything but two random no marks online claiming it... Any actually evidence.

There's also the view from paramedics themselves. That most people shouldn't even be in the back of an ambulance. This would be part of the entitled culture of today I guess. The Guardian reported it as 66% of people who call for an ambulance don't need one.

But yeh, if you have something that confirms the hospital's communicate over where there is room to take a patient rather than have then sat in an ambulance or on a trolly. I of course hope it happens as it would be logical... But logic and the NHS aren't two things that often go together.

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12.....A rather small sample, wouldn't you agree ??

Sadly, rather than some daft idea that most people call ambulances due to 'entitlement' perhaps you should consider the 'safety first' attitude of many who answer the 111 calls. Diagnosis over the phone is fraught with danger - but cheap as chips.
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Re: NHS IN CRISIS

Postby Fletch » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:50 pm

Cannydc wrote:
Lionel Jesse wrote:As this is neither made clear, reported or anything but two random no marks online claiming it... Any actually evidence.

There's also the view from paramedics themselves. That most people shouldn't even be in the back of an ambulance. This would be part of the entitled culture of today I guess. The Guardian reported it as 66% of people who call for an ambulance don't need one.

But yeh, if you have something that confirms the hospital's communicate over where there is room to take a patient rather than have then sat in an ambulance or on a trolly. I of course hope it happens as it would be logical... But logic and the NHS aren't two things that often go together.

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12.....A rather small sample, wouldn't you agree ??

Sadly, rather than some daft idea that most people call ambulances due to 'entitlement' perhaps you should consider the 'safety first' attitude of many who answer the 111 calls. Diagnosis over the phone is fraught with danger - but cheap as chips.


Especially since they removed medically qualified staff from the answering service and replaced them with telephone operators reading off of a script. If the answer isn't on the script or they feel it necessary, they will inform a medically trained person and they will ring you back.
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Re: NHS IN CRISIS

Postby McAz » Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:11 pm

Theresa May refuses to rule out selling off the NHS in post-Brexit trade deal with Trump

- Theresa May sidesteps a question on whether the NHS will be part of any post-Brexit trade deal with Donald Trump.
- The prime minister says it is too early to say what the US will ask for in negotiations.
- Labour accuses the government of secretly plotting to privatise the health service.
- The row comes within days of Trump's public criticism of universal healthcare in the UK.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/theresa-may-nhs-brexit-free-trade-deal-donald-trump-2018-2


Not to worry though, eh?
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Re: NHS IN CRISIS

Postby Cannydc » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:15 pm

Shocking claims on local TV tonight.

Hospitals appear to have been lying in collusion with ambulance trusts to hide patient waiting times outside hospitals in ambulances.

Norwich and Norfolk hospital claimed there were only 2 days over the Xmas period where anyone was left for over 30 minutes.

Unfortunately, witnesses have told of waits of up to 6 hours (!!!) on many more days. One woman's husband was queued for over 5 hours in a line of 21 ambulances. He died, sadly. Queues of 15 - 20 ambulances were commonplace. They actually ran out of parking spaces.

Seems there is a £1000 fine for every 30min + wait....

Crisis ? What crisis ?
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Re: NHS IN CRISIS

Postby Cannydc » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:20 am

And as if to cement the previous post as factual...

Jeremy Hunt has acknowledged the NHS winter crisis is the "worst ever" but said staff knew what to expect when they “signed up” to work in the health service.

Official figures released today confirmed that A&E waiting time performance is at its worst level on record, and more than a thousand patients were left waiting for 12 hours or more in trolleys waiting for a bed.

Experts said patients are dying prematurely because corridors have become “the new emergency wards” this winter, despite unprecedented efforts and planning by staff and the cancellation of tens of thousands of operations.


That's OK then. You knew we would underfund the NHS when you signed up for the job, so doctors and nurses, it's all your fault.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/healt ... 01706.html
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Re: NHS IN CRISIS

Postby Cleopatra » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:00 am

Lionel Jesse wrote:Not my views, the views of Paramedics interviewed by The Guardian. Of ever 12 people in the back of their ambulance, 8 should have never been there.

As for how does it relate to our entitlement culture.... how about in the same way as those people with a sniffle who clog up doctors and A&E departments, or those with minor injuries that can be treated away from the A&E or even at home. And thats just the tip of the ice berg.


Doctors don't work out of hours anymore, I would not trust the 111 system with a dog and the walk-in centres are also full to the brim with 5-6 hour waits. If I was seriously worried about a loved one who I thought needed medical attention, I'm going to A&E. And I work within the medical profession.
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Re: NHS IN CRISIS

Postby Cleopatra » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:11 am

Lionel Jesse wrote:
Fletch wrote:HOW MANY PATIENTS HAVE BEEN STUCK IN THE BACK OF AMBULANCES OUTSIDE A&E UNITS THIS WINTER?

NHS England data, collected from all 137 trusts across the country, show the overall number of patients who were stuck in ambulances outside busy A&E units for more than half an hour for each week this winter.

January 22-28 11,061

January 15-21 11,019

January 8-14 12,559

January 1-7 16,690

December 25-31 16,893

December 18-24 11,852

December 11-17 14,323

December 4-10 11,852

November 27-3 10,184

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... ing-E.html


Were any efforts at all made to find new beds at nearby hospitals. It says doctors haggle for beds but it seems to be within the hospital they work. Also, who is directing ambulances to A&E departments that are full? Wheres the communication? They all have radios, surely theres someone on the other end who can liaise with hospitals to see if theres space?

One issue I have with the doctor spilling all to the Mail is this...

He can barely afford to buy a hot chocolate or coffee because his rent is a quarter of his salary and he is drowning in debt from six years of medical school

I am sorry but this is bollocks. And irrelevant in the grand scheme. I always wonder how these people would cope in other industries with lower starting wages, no allowance for medical school debt being paid back only once reaching set thresholds etc.

Also odd how he or she has gone to the Mail, of all papers.....


Doctors haggle for beds between hospitals, too, but they are mostly in the same boat. Otherwise, your loved one could end up 100 miles away. And I earn more than a newly qualified junior doctor. (Although they go up the increment scale pretty quickly).
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Re: NHS IN CRISIS

Postby Cannydc » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:20 am

The Government raided £1bn from NHS funds to keep services running this year, Treasury papers reveal. The money had been earmarked for maintenance and repairs of ageing NHS buildings and equipment,

NHS funds for essential modernisation shrank by 8 per cent in 2017-18, despite the Treasury pledging £500m for equipment like state-of-the-art scanners and IT upgrades.

The raids were permitted even though official figures show hospitals need to spend £1bn just for “high risk” repairs, which if left unaddressed could lead to “catastrophic” equipment failures or major disruption of care.

Nearly £4bn has been “redeployed” from NHS capital spending in the last four years, as ministers are forced to shore up services that have been left stretched to breaking point by years of underfunding.


Anyone remember the crumbling hospitals Labour inherited in 1997 ?

They had to build over 100 new hospitals to replaced infrastructure allowed to rot for 18 disastrous Tory years.

Here we go again. Rob Peter to pay Paul. Starve investment in infrastructure. It's the Tory way.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/healt ... 11226.html
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Re: NHS IN CRISIS

Postby Guest » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:17 pm

Cannydc wrote:The Government raided £1bn from NHS funds to keep services running this year, Treasury papers reveal. The money had been earmarked for maintenance and repairs of ageing NHS buildings and equipment,

NHS funds for essential modernisation shrank by 8 per cent in 2017-18, despite the Treasury pledging £500m for equipment like state-of-the-art scanners and IT upgrades.

The raids were permitted even though official figures show hospitals need to spend £1bn just for “high risk” repairs, which if left unaddressed could lead to “catastrophic” equipment failures or major disruption of care.

Nearly £4bn has been “redeployed” from NHS capital spending in the last four years, as ministers are forced to shore up services that have been left stretched to breaking point by years of underfunding.


Anyone remember the crumbling hospitals Labour inherited in 1997 ?

They had to build over 100 new hospitals to replaced infrastructure allowed to rot for 18 disastrous Tory years.

Here we go again. Rob Peter to pay Paul. Starve investment in infrastructure. It's the Tory way.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/healt ... 11226.html


I remember going to Leicester Royal infirmary in 1996.
In the corridor outside the A&E there must have been 15 people on trolleys - yeah they had a bed shortage - there were a dozen buckets catching water.
Six years later the roof had been fixed, more wards were open and no one was on a trolley.
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Re: NHS IN CRISIS

Postby Guest » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:25 pm

Viper wrote:
Cannydc wrote:
Viper wrote:Tl;dr and no citation. Likely yet another monologue from partisan source painted up as insider such as this previous effort....

https://order-order.com/2018/01/03/bbc- ... orbynista/

NHS in wales is ten times worse. Under direct labour administration.

Uncomfortable facts for labour.

Please use citations so we can check your fake news.


Fuck off and troll somewhere else.

If you haven't seen similar scenes described in every news outlet (bar the Sun) you are blind as well as stupid.


:dunno:

You dont deal well with having your views challenged. Typical leftie.


Only a Fasctard moron would quote the fake news Guido site. Well done for confirming.
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