NHS IN CRISIS

[Major]

Far too many forunuz invading our country and using the system for which they have contributed zilch.

They breed like rabbits to get benefits so their offsprings get the free to them NHS.

It is not easy to get to see a GP so people say, "sod it" and go straight to hospital.

[Fletch]

While some parts of the NHS which deal with primary care are OK most of it is not fit for purpose. Social care is abysmal.

We need to stop romanticising it. It's mostly a substandard service. It has manifold structural problems and because it is such an emotive issue no politician will seriously tackle its issues (both funding and organistational.)

It's probably OK if you don't have to rely on it. If you do then you could be literally gambling with your life. If you can afford private healthcare then take it out because I cannot see it meaningfully improve in the foreseeable future.

You might care to read this from a long time senior nurse on DS.

I don't agree that private healthcare is better healthcare, in many cases it is the opposite. Private healthcare means no waiting for non emergency tests and operations, nicer private rooms with better meals and hotel like service. The care and treatment being delivered is invariably by doctors and nurses trained by the NHS (with immigrant doctors being the exception), in most cases the nurses are agency, so moonlighting from their NHS jobs, and the doctors are doing some private work alongside their substantive NHS jobs. There is a lot of evidence to prove that wards with a high proportion of temporary staff have poorer standards, more mistakes and therefore are less safe than wards with permanent staff. Most private hospitals choose to use a lot of temporary staff because it costs them less in costs such as training updates, staff development, annual leave, sick leave etc

As a nurse with experience of working in both sectors, I can confidently assert that I personally would not feel as safe in a private hospital as I would in an NHS one. Even in my trust where we have a private ward, the consultants themselves don't want their private patients moved from ICU to the private ward until the patients are practically well enough to almost go home. They would prefer them to be moved to a more acute NHS ward first.

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[Major]

We have used private health care for operations.

Several times for family we have seen a specialist privately and had op within 10 days, expensive but quick.

[McAz]

We have used private health care for operations.

Several times for family we have seen a specialist privately and had op within 10 days, expensive but quick.

Were you referred from your NHS GP starbold?

[Lady Murasaki]

Many skilled immigrants come here and do menial jobs. So which part of skilled do you mean?
The NHS is struggling because of bad planning and low investment, or investing in the wrong ways.
A cynic would say it's a crafty way of undermining and disempowering the lower classes and making sure they blame the problems on one another/immigrants in your case.

Also, when something is free it isn't appreciated as much. The NHS and education in this country is taken for granted by many.
Eg. People who don't turn up for appointments add to the drain on resources.
They'll realise once it's gone.

Many immigrants come here, and in effect, are just servicing other immigrants. Immigrant doctors treating immigrant patients, immigrant dish washers washing up after immigrant diners etc. Scenarios that could easily be played out in their own countries, without pressurising our already creaky infrastructure.

We have a shortage of houses, a shortage of hospital beds, long NHS waiting lists, classrooms filled with huge numbers of children, many not getting the attention they deserve, and many being held back due to non-English speaking children slowing the class's progress.

This is all because we have too many people here. As simple as. The solution? Stop letting so many people in.

Could you explain the benefit to the UK of a Dr Singh treating a Mrs Patel at the taxpayers expense on the NHS?

You're not really addressing the points very well. So you've changed your stance from

We need to stop unskilled and unemployable immigrants coming in.

to 'let's get rid of the skilled ones too'. Not really thinking it through very well are you?

Why not just say from the off, there are too many immigrants, why bother with the skilled immigrants line?

[Lambert]

I've seen a doctor privately before and the difference was eye-opening. The premises were nice, the doctor saw me on time, there was no time pressure at all, he was totally relaxed and had plenty of time to listen and talk. The NHS is alright for low level stuff, but for anything serious or specialist you're probably better off going private if you can afford it. Cancer diagnosis and treatment in the UK is lagging behind the rest of Europe. You often have to wait weeks for tests. Social care is fucked. I dread to think what the elderly will have to put up with in 20 years if something doesn't change.

It's true we're not spending enough, but money alone isn't the answer. It's not true to say that if only the NHS had X amount of extra cash that everything would be okay. We do need a radical rethink when it comes to the provision of health services. That doesn't necessarily mean adopting the dreadful American system. But something has to change.

[Red Okktober]

Many skilled immigrants come here and do menial jobs. So which part of skilled do you mean?The NHS is struggling because of bad planning and low investment, or investing in the wrong ways.
A cynic would say it's a crafty way of undermining and disempowering the lower classes and making sure they blame the problems on one another/immigrants in your case.

Also, when something is free it isn't appreciated as much. The NHS and education in this country is taken for granted by many.
Eg. People who don't turn up for appointments add to the drain on resources.
They'll realise once it's gone.

Many immigrants come here, and in effect, are just servicing other immigrants. Immigrant doctors treating immigrant patients, immigrant dish washers washing up after immigrant diners etc. Scenarios that could easily be played out in their own countries, without pressurising our already creaky infrastructure.

We have a shortage of houses, a shortage of hospital beds, long NHS waiting lists, classrooms filled with huge numbers of children, many not getting the attention they deserve, and many being held back due to non-English speaking children slowing the class's progress.

This is all because we have too many people here. As simple as. The solution? Stop letting so many people in.

Could you explain the benefit to the UK of a Dr Singh treating a Mrs Patel at the taxpayers expense on the NHS?

You're not really addressing the points very well. So you've changed your stance from

We need to stop unskilled and unemployable immigrants coming in.

to 'let's get rid of the skilled ones too'. Not really thinking it through very well are you?

Why not just say from the off, there are too many immigrants, why bother with the skilled immigrants line?

LMAO - are you some kind of fucking imbecile? By retaining 10-15% of immigration figures and cherry picking skilled workers, I'm referring to those who actually work as doctors, dentists surgeons, ie skilled workers in skilled jobs, and not so-called 'skilled' workers (by third world standards) who do menial jobs.

Are you not familiar with the term 'cherry-picking'? It means we choose the ones who actually make a vital contribution to the UK, like brain surgeons, but get rid of the ones who don't, like your 'skilled' toilet cleaners and dish washers.

[Cannydc]

And of course, our indigenous unemployed, who are desperate to find employment, will wash the dishes, clean hotel bathrooms, pick fruit and veg etc etc...



Please, stop. My ribs are hurting.

[Raggamuffin]

And of course, our indigenous unemployed, who are desperate to find employment, will wash the dishes, clean hotel bathrooms, pick fruit and veg etc etc...



Please, stop. My ribs are hurting.

Don't lump them all together. I know a lot of people who will do those things.

[Cannydc]

And of course, our indigenous unemployed, who are desperate to find employment, will wash the dishes, clean hotel bathrooms, pick fruit and veg etc etc...



Please, stop. My ribs are hurting.

Don't lump them all together. I know a lot of people who will do those things.

So what ?

You are going to need 1,000,000 plus, based on his immigration policy.

And presumably those 'lots of people' you know already have jobs ?

[Red Okktober]

And of course, our indigenous unemployed, who are desperate to find employment, will wash the dishes, clean hotel bathrooms, pick fruit and veg etc etc...



Please, stop. My ribs are hurting.

Not for the first time, you are missing the point canny. With 85-90% fewer immigrants here, there will be fewer toilets to clean, fewer dishes to wash, and so on.

Are you saying British people don't do any of those jobs?

You've already told us elderly immigrants are unlikely to use the NHS, and that young immigrants are more likely to work for the NHS than use it. Do you have anything as equally as ridiculous up your sleeve, or are you done?

[Cannydc]

And of course, our indigenous unemployed, who are desperate to find employment, will wash the dishes, clean hotel bathrooms, pick fruit and veg etc etc...



Please, stop. My ribs are hurting.

Not for the first time, you are missing the point canny. With 85-90% fewer immigrants here, there will be fewer toilets to clean, fewer dishes to wash, and so on.

Are you saying British people don't do any of those jobs?

You've already told us elderly immigrants are unlikely to use the NHS, and that young immigrants are more likely to work for the NHS than use it. Do you have anything as equally as ridiculous up your sleeve, or are you done?

Sorry, are you insinuating that hotels and hospitals will close ?

That farmers will let land go fallow ?

That streets won't need cleaning anymore ?

Food producers will shut their doors?

You really do live in a strange world of your own, don't you ?

[Raggamuffin]

And of course, our indigenous unemployed, who are desperate to find employment, will wash the dishes, clean hotel bathrooms, pick fruit and veg etc etc...



Please, stop. My ribs are hurting.

Don't lump them all together. I know a lot of people who will do those things.

So what ?

You are going to need 1,000,000 plus, based on his immigration policy.

And presumably those 'lots of people' you know already have jobs ?

You're lumping "indigenous" people together, which is the wrong thing to do, and it doesn't do your cause any good. I do know people who have jobs doing those things, yes.

[Cannydc]

And if you really want to see whether our strong lager supping, skunk toking unemployed youth will do the work, look at this.

[Cannydc]

And of course, our indigenous unemployed, who are desperate to find employment, will wash the dishes, clean hotel bathrooms, pick fruit and veg etc etc...



Please, stop. My ribs are hurting.

Don't lump them all together. I know a lot of people who will do those things.

So what ?

You are going to need 1,000,000 plus, based on his immigration policy.

And presumably those 'lots of people' you know already have jobs ?

You're lumping "indigenous" people together, which is the wrong thing to do, and it doesn't do your cause any good. I do know people who have jobs doing those things, yes.

It isn't the wrong thing to do, in the context of previous posts insinuating that unskilled jobs can be done by the indigenous workforce.

And your friends can't be in 2 places at once, doing 2 jobs.