17 Dead in school shooting.

[Maddog]

they had an armed guard
he waited for swat
now its all his fault

They had a cop, who was getting paid a base of 75K and bonus pay because he was a "first responder".

His job is to engage the shooter. That's why he's there.

Apparently he didn't understand "first" or "responder".

[Maddog]

So America now has no or very few old lady type teachers overweight balding men good old fashioned mum and and dad types just fitness fanatics that can do rolls leap desks and shoot dead straight?
The reality is there is nowhere like America in the modern industrial world where the population are awash with weapons.
There is also nowhere else in the world facing this kind of slaughter and death toll.
Seems militarising the police hasn't achieved much.

35 kids a year are killed in school. That's too many. But for a comparison, 500 kids a year are killed by their parents, and almost half are killed by their mothers. So, if there is an actual slaughter going on in schools, it pales in comparison to the slaughter going on at home.

[Maddog]

Scot Peterson, the Marjory Stoneman Douglas school resource officer who declined to confront alleged mass killer Nikolas Cruz in the midst of his attack, wasn't alone in remaining safely away from the massacre: three Broward County sheriff's deputies waited outside the school as well.

When Coral Springs police officers arrived on scene, they discovered several officers who "had their pistols drawn and were behind their vehicles...and not one of them had gone into the school," according to a CNN report that described the Coral Springs officers as "stunned and upset" to discover that no one else in law enforcement had dared to take on the shooter.

This news isn't exactly surprising, given that we already knew Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel had suspended two other officers—in addition to Peterson, who has resigned—for their conduct during the mass shooting. Perhaps Israel is not directly responsible for his officer's behavior, though there are other questions he should answer about Broward County's myriad failures in preventing the massacre.

Stoneman Douglas. Broward County. Florida's Department of Families and Children. The FBI. Where does this story of unfathomable government incompetence end?


http://reason.com/blog/2018/02/23/3-bro ... rs-made-no

The whole fucking department needs to be fired.

[Big Fat Frosty]

they had an armed guard
he waited for swat
now its all his fault

They had a cop, who was getting paid a base of 75K and bonus pay because he was a "first responder".

His job is to engage the shooter. That's why he's there.

Apparently he didn't understand "first" or "responder".

would you go toe to toe with a heavily armed shooter
on your own ...

[Big Fat Frosty]

your side arm against his full automatic assault rifle...
are you that brave or that stupid

[Maddog]

they had an armed guard
he waited for swat
now its all his fault

They had a cop, who was getting paid a base of 75K and bonus pay because he was a "first responder".

His job is to engage the shooter. That's why he's there.

Apparently he didn't understand "first" or "responder".

would you go toe to toe with a heavily armed shooter
on your own ...

Yes, especially if it was my job and I had been training for 30 years to do this. It's like a firefighter running into a burning building.

The cop had his semi auto 9mm or .40cal. He had a protective vest. The dumb kid had an AR. Inside a building, the AR has little or no tactical advantage. It's better in the battlefield shooting over 100 yards or more. At close range, a well trained shooter (a cop of 30 years) can deal with a dumb kid.

Also, the cop knows that he will literally have 100 cops there in 5-10 minutes. I'm not saying he needs to do a bonsai charge, but he needs to start working towards the shooter and engage him. It's what ever police department is trained to do now. Get the shooter's attention away from the unarmed kids and get them to focus on you. Almost al of these shooters crumble or kill thenselves when they are challenged.

[Maddog]

your side arm against his full automatic assault rifle...
are you that brave or that stupid

It's semi auto vs semi auto,

[Big Fat Frosty]

your side arm against his full automatic assault rifle...
are you that brave or that stupid

It's semi auto vs semi auto,

stop deflecting
would you have taken a side arm
against an assault rifle

[Maddog]

your side arm against his full automatic assault rifle...
are you that brave or that stupid

It's semi auto vs semi auto,

stop deflecting
would you have taken a side arm
against an assault rifle

I'm not deflecting. They are both semi auto with similar rates of fire. The handgun rounds are much larger and slower. The AR is a small bullet that travels fast. The AR will have less recoil, meaning second shots are quicker because you can reaquire the target quicker. The hand gun handles better in tight areas.

Even door kickers in Iraq often when in with handguns because they handle better at close range and have all the stopping power you need if you hit center mass.

SEALS often up for side arms too, when the fighting is going to be close.

[Big Fat Frosty]

maybe steven seagal coulda saved them...

[Maddog]

The problem with the AR is it's been glorified way higher than it's effectiveness by the media. People that don't know much about guns consider it some super weapon, when it's just a semi auto rifle. Throw in the fact that it's very menacing looking, and kooky kids are attracted to it. The truth is, these kids could walk into a school with two handguns and 15 magazines and do the same amount of damage. They just don't know that, or are too obsessed with the mean looking AR.

[Big Fat Frosty]

The problem with the AR is it's been glorified way higher than it's effectiveness by the media. People that don't know much about guns consider it some super weapon, when it's just a semi auto rifle. Throw in the fact that it's very menacing looking, and kooky kids are attracted to it. The truth is, these kids could walk into a school with two handguns and 15 magazines and do the same amount of damage. They just don't know that, or are too obsessed with the mean looking AR.

nevertheless
he had one and it seems to have lived up to expectations
it killed lots of humans

[Maddog]

Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the army psychiatrist accused of gunning down 13 people at Fort Hood on Thursday, managed to fire 100 rounds with a semiautomatic handgun between the start of his rampage at 1:20 p.m. and the time he was shot at 1:27 p.m. How many rounds can a handgun shoot in seven minutes?

At least 1,500. Modern semiautomatic weapons can discharge a round and load the next bullet into the chamber faster than even the nimblest of fingers can pull the trigger. FBI studies have shown that a novice can fire three shots in less than a second, and a trained shooter can double that. (Two of the officers in the 1999 Amadou Diallo shooting emptied their 16-bullet magazines in about four seconds.) That means an experienced gunman can fire off a 20-round magazine—the likely capacity of Hasan's gun—in 3.3 seconds. Reloading takes under two. You just press the magazine release button with your shooting hand and insert the new magazine into the grip with your offhand. * Experts holster extra ammunition on the side of their nonshooting hand to speed the exchange and can have the new magazine loaded before the empty one hits the ground. So each 20-round magazine would take no more than 5.3 seconds, including time to reload. That means you could fire off 1,575 shots in seven minutes—provided you were carrying 79 magazines on your person.

[Big Fat Frosty]

might be best if that kinda fire power wasnt readily available then

[Snookerballs]

might be best if that kinda fire power wasnt readily available then

That answer is too simple for the "Gun Nuts" of the NRA to understand !