Former Russian spy critical ~"unknown substance"

Former Russian spy critical ~"unknown substance"

Postby Grafenwalder » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:03 pm

Looks like another Litvinenko job.

A 66 year old former Russian army Colonel and intelligence officer convicted of spying for Britain is critically ill after being exposed to an 'unknown substance' and found unconscious in Wiltshire. UK granted him refuge in a spy swap eight years ago.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43295134

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... y-hospital
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Re: Former Russian spy critical ~"unknown substance"

Postby Guest » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:08 pm

Im sure Agent Cob will condemn this soon :ooer:
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Re: Former Russian spy critical ~"unknown substance"

Postby NastyNickers » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:31 pm

I was just reading about that.

Call me naive, but every time I read about spies I am always amazed it actually happens and isn’t just something in a James Bond film.
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Re: Former Russian spy critical ~"unknown substance"

Postby Guest » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:47 pm

Guest wrote:Im sure Agent Cob will condemn this soon :ooer:


Agent Cob?

This section is NOT for trolling.
You have been told numerous times Viper.
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Re: Former Russian spy critical ~"unknown substance"

Postby Lambert » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:55 pm

The Russkies are making us look sloppy. No doubt the government will downplay this, meanwhile Putin's laughing his arse off.
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Re: Former Russian spy critical ~"unknown substance"

Postby Grafenwalder » Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:13 pm

NastyNickers wrote:I was just reading about that.

Call me naive, but every time I read about spies I am always amazed it actually happens and isn’t just something in a James Bond film.

Oh it's all very real though not so much James Bond, but for anyone into espionage one guy who comes really close to the glamour lifestyle portrayed by Bond, the true life story of Eddie Chapman is well worth reading up on. Ex-safe blower he was doing time in prison when war broke out until SIS offered him a 'job'. He took it and worked as a double agent throughout the war under the codename of Agent Zigzag, possibly one of Britains most successful. He's also the only Briton to be awarded the German Iron Cross. That's how bloody convincing he was!

https://www.mi5.gov.uk/eddie-chapman

Full documentary he appeared in here which is well worth watching. He's quite a character! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8ESP4dR-ek&t=354s
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Re: Former Russian spy critical ~"unknown substance"

Postby NastyNickers » Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:32 pm

Grafenwalder wrote:
NastyNickers wrote:I was just reading about that.

Call me naive, but every time I read about spies I am always amazed it actually happens and isn’t just something in a James Bond film.

Oh it's all very real though not so much James Bond, but for anyone into espionage one guy who comes really close to the glamour lifestyle portrayed by Bond, the true life story of Eddie Chapman is well worth reading up on. Ex-safe blower he was doing time in prison when war broke out until SIS offered him a 'job'. He took it and worked as a double agent throughout the war under the codename of Agent Zigzag, possibly one of Britains most successful. He's also the only Briton to be awarded the German Iron Cross. That's how bloody convincing he was!

https://www.mi5.gov.uk/eddie-chapman

Full documentary he appeared in here which is well worth watching. He's quite a character! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8ESP4dR-ek&t=354s


Ah cheers, Graf. I’ll have a watch later on. Sounds interesting. I wasn’t aware we had people so deep in!

It’s strange. I just never considered spying was something we’d do on such a scale these days. I remember Litvinenko. Surely Russia just can’t go about poisoning all the spies on foreign soil? He was released in a prisoner swap a decade ago, wasn’t he? I don’t understand why they have killed him so many years later, when he’s in Britain. And what will we do about it?
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Re: Former Russian spy critical ~"unknown substance"

Postby Grafenwalder » Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:22 am

NastyNickers wrote:
Grafenwalder wrote:
NastyNickers wrote:I was just reading about that.

Call me naive, but every time I read about spies I am always amazed it actually happens and isn’t just something in a James Bond film.

Oh it's all very real though not so much James Bond, but for anyone into espionage one guy who comes really close to the glamour lifestyle portrayed by Bond, the true life story of Eddie Chapman is well worth reading up on. Ex-safe blower he was doing time in prison when war broke out until SIS offered him a 'job'. He took it and worked as a double agent throughout the war under the codename of Agent Zigzag, possibly one of Britains most successful. He's also the only Briton to be awarded the German Iron Cross. That's how bloody convincing he was!

https://www.mi5.gov.uk/eddie-chapman

Full documentary he appeared in here which is well worth watching. He's quite a character! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8ESP4dR-ek&t=354s


Ah cheers, Graf. I’ll have a watch later on. Sounds interesting. I wasn’t aware we had people so deep in!

It’s strange. I just never considered spying was something we’d do on such a scale these days. I remember Litvinenko. Surely Russia just can’t go about poisoning all the spies on foreign soil? He was released in a prisoner swap a decade ago, wasn’t he? I don’t understand why they have killed him so many years later, when he’s in Britain. And what will we do about it?

Chapman's life story is simply mind boggling and knocks any spy thriller movie into a cocked hat. Won't tell you too much in case you watch that documentary but as a character he was very much a ladies man and rogue, and women were drawn to him too. He was a natural charmer.

There's a lot that 'goes on' which most of the public remain totally unaware of. Without the cipher code breaking station at Bletchley Park during 2nd ww Britain and it's allies would not have seen VE day - and that place and it's work remained so top secret after the war, nobody apart from those who worked there (over 10,000), ever knew about it for years. Even relatives, families etc never knew as those who had worked there were bound under the Official Secrets Act. Word gradually began to seep out in the late 70's and Bletchley today is open to the public. https://bletchleypark.org.uk/our-story GC&CS as it was known is the forerunner of today's GCHQ.

I doubt Russia saw Skripal as a threat to security any longer but just sought revenge. Britain will do a bit of sabre rattling through diplomatic circles but beyond that very little else as they've had their moneys worth from Skripal and were paying him a pension they won't need pay out any longer as he appears to have no family here. The business involving Litvinenko was very serious due to the radioactive poison used, Polonium 210, which spread a trail from UK to Eastern Europe back into Russia.
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Re: Former Russian spy critical ~"unknown substance"

Postby art0hur0moh » Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:32 am

A load of pish! Including the one before!

That's not how it works...

Give the guy columbina extract (zombi drug) tell him to jump from a window. Job done. There are far more effective and untraceable solutions.

Do you recal russian planes forced to land in turkey? The result was 8 children murdered over a three week period.
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Re: Former Russian spy critical ~"unknown substance"

Postby Snookerballs » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:20 pm

Its starting to read like a Carre Spy novel,
The woman found with Sergei Skripal is his daughter. His wife, son and older brother have all died in the last two years.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43297638
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Re: Former Russian spy critical ~"unknown substance"

Postby Guest » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:53 pm

Grafenwalder wrote:
NastyNickers wrote:
Grafenwalder wrote:
NastyNickers wrote:I was just reading about that.

Call me naive, but every time I read about spies I am always amazed it actually happens and isn’t just something in a James Bond film.

Oh it's all very real though not so much James Bond, but for anyone into espionage one guy who comes really close to the glamour lifestyle portrayed by Bond, the true life story of Eddie Chapman is well worth reading up on. Ex-safe blower he was doing time in prison when war broke out until SIS offered him a 'job'. He took it and worked as a double agent throughout the war under the codename of Agent Zigzag, possibly one of Britains most successful. He's also the only Briton to be awarded the German Iron Cross. That's how bloody convincing he was!

https://www.mi5.gov.uk/eddie-chapman

Full documentary he appeared in here which is well worth watching. He's quite a character! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8ESP4dR-ek&t=354s


Ah cheers, Graf. I’ll have a watch later on. Sounds interesting. I wasn’t aware we had people so deep in!

It’s strange. I just never considered spying was something we’d do on such a scale these days. I remember Litvinenko. Surely Russia just can’t go about poisoning all the spies on foreign soil? He was released in a prisoner swap a decade ago, wasn’t he? I don’t understand why they have killed him so many years later, when he’s in Britain. And what will we do about it?

Chapman's life story is simply mind boggling and knocks any spy thriller movie into a cocked hat. Won't tell you too much in case you watch that documentary but as a character he was very much a ladies man and rogue, and women were drawn to him too. He was a natural charmer.

There's a lot that 'goes on' which most of the public remain totally unaware of. Without the cipher code breaking station at Bletchley Park during 2nd ww Britain and it's allies would not have seen VE day - and that place and it's work remained so top secret after the war, nobody apart from those who worked there (over 10,000), ever knew about it for years. Even relatives, families etc never knew as those who had worked there were bound under the Official Secrets Act. Word gradually began to seep out in the late 70's and Bletchley today is open to the public. https://bletchleypark.org.uk/our-story GC&CS as it was known is the forerunner of today's GCHQ.

I doubt Russia saw Skripal as a threat to security any longer but just sought revenge. Britain will do a bit of sabre rattling through diplomatic circles but beyond that very little else as they've had their moneys worth from Skripal and were paying him a pension they won't need pay out any longer as he appears to have no family here. The business involving Litvinenko was very serious due to the radioactive poison used, Polonium 210, which spread a trail from UK to Eastern Europe back into Russia.


thanks for the links. i love this place, you can always learn something interesting.
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Re: Former Russian spy critical ~"unknown substance"

Postby Guest » Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:14 pm

Snookerballs wrote:Its starting to read like a Carre Spy novel,
The woman found with Sergei Skripal is his daughter. His wife, son and older brother have all died in the last two years.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43297638


Interesting. I was hoping your link would have mentioned something about his wife, son and older brother all dying. Do you have a link for that?
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Re: Former Russian spy critical ~"unknown substance"

Postby Grafenwalder » Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:33 pm

Snookerballs wrote:Its starting to read like a Carre Spy novel,
The woman found with Sergei Skripal is his daughter. His wife, son and older brother have all died in the last two years.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43297638

Yes it seems she was his only relative left. It would be interesting to know how his wife,son and brother died as i assume they were brought to the UK as part of the package deal.

Here is another one from the past the authorities never closed the file on, Georgi Markov, a Bulgarian dissident who defected in 1968 and worked for the BBC. Ten years later he was assassinated by an umbrella wielding 'commuter' on his way to work. The umbrella shot a small pellet of ricin into Markov's leg. Four days later he was dead. Mission accomplished.

http://www.murdermap.co.uk/pages/cases/ ... =490612156

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews ... stria.html
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Re: Former Russian spy critical ~"unknown substance"

Postby Donald Trump » Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:06 pm

I asked Vladimir Putin and he said the Russians had nothing to do with it. He seemed very sincere.

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Re: Former Russian spy critical ~"unknown substance"

Postby Cannydc » Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:08 pm

I'm not so sure this is Russia's doing.

2 unwritten rules of Russian espionage were broken here.

1. Children of spies / defectors / double agents are NEVER harmed and considered 'off limits'

2. Spy swaps people are not targets for revenge - on BOTH SIDES.

Very odd.
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