Former Russian spy critical ~"unknown substance"

[Cobs]

It was the CIA.

[Grafenwalder]

So, at least we have some facts now.

It appears they were targeted by someone using an undisclosed nerve agent.

The hunt for the attacker is on.

Oh, and fuck off Viper. You add precisely bugger all to any sensible discussion.

The situation has worsened now as a police officer who attended the scene has been hospitalised in whats described as a "serious condition". But the mystery around Skripal deepens as a Russian exile who knew him told Channel 4 news Skripal was still in regular contact with intelligence officers at the Russian Embassy in London. The Embassy deny his claims.

https://www.channel4.com/news/police-sa ... erve-agent

A chemical weapons expert here says the nerve agent is impossible to be manufactured 'in a garden shed' so he feels has to come from a state authority. That will be easier to determine once Porton Down has completed further tests as apparently nerve agent manufacture carries it's own 'footprint', a kind of dna if you like, which establishes the country of origin as each have their own methods of manufacturing.

https://www.channel4.com/news/hamish-de ... -your-shed

Former British Ambassador to Russia makes some interesting comments too, particularly regarding the fact Skripal was in prison in Russia where had they wanted to, they could have got rid of him there - so why wait until after he'd been in UK for 8 years?

https://www.channel4.com/news/sir-andre ... -poisoning

[Grafenwalder]

It was the CIA.

As wild as that may seem i wouldn't rule it out except US intelligence have never been best known for discretion!

[Axtol]

A chemical weapons expert here says the nerve agent is impossible to be manufactured 'in a garden shed' so he feels has to come from a state authority. That will be easier to determine once Porton Down has completed further tests as apparently nerve agent manufacture carries it's own 'footprint', a kind of dna if you like, which establishes the country of origin as each have their own methods of manufacturing.

https://www.channel4.com/news/hamish-de ... -your-shed

That expert was previously part of some NATO task force, which doesn't do loads for his credibility in this. And there'll be no surprises when the tests done at Porton Down (which I'm sure will totally be fair, transparent and impartial ) conveniently "find" the evidence to support whatever narrative our government decides to push. Just like any tests done in a Russian facility would no doubt find evidence proving it couldn't possibly be their government.

[Lambert]

Not falling for the big bogeyman being Russia this time around.

Who do you think it was? There are two options:

1) It was Russia
2) it was another country trying to make the world think it was Russia

The first one is much more plausible. The world doesn't need convincing that Putin is a dodgy character.

[Rolluplostinspace]

Probably the U'K intelligence services with yet another demonize Putin/Russia.
We've been doing it for two hundred years.

[Lambert]

Probably the U'K intelligence services with yet another demonize Putin/Russia.
We've been doing it for two hundred years.

What do you think we would have to gain by doing that? Putin had Litvinenko killed and then annexed the Crimea. It's not like we need to be duped into thinking he's a bad guy.

[Rolluplostinspace]

Probably the U'K intelligence services with yet another demonize Putin/Russia.
We've been doing it for two hundred years.

What do you think we would have to gain by doing that? Putin had Litvinenko killed and then annexed the Crimea. It's not like we need to be duped into thinking he's a bad guy.

With the Americans having spent five billion quid on toppling Ukraine you too would have annexed a very very important security issue next door in Crimea.
America have destroyed Iraq turned Afghanistan into a narco state with all the dollars flowing to America.
They have destroyed Syria surrounded Iran and keep shouting their mouths off about destroying that place too.
The the thought of peace breaking out on the Korean peninsula is to much for America to bare.
But whil the Anglo American war machine of bullets and starvation are ausing utter misery for millions lets bad moput Russia everyday ... the people always buy this shit.
We're behaving impecably but the Russians are evil!
Bad mouth them every day at every opportunity and we'll get away with literal murder.
Putin has tried everything to trade with the west with his mass of carbons and America don't like it one bit.
But the more sanctions the more propaganda lead to Asia becoming ever closer and joined up.
The Chinese and Russians want a unipolar world the Anglo American system want hegemony.
Do as we say or e'll destroy you.
So keep the propaganda machine well oiled and churning out the we're good everyone else is bad bollox and look around .... it's working on the masses.

[Rolluplostinspace]

Probably the U'K intelligence services with yet another demonize Putin/Russia.
We've been doing it for two hundred years.

What do you think we would have to gain by doing that? Putin had Litvinenko killed and then annexed the Crimea. It's not like we need to be duped into thinking he's a bad guy.

There is no evidence let alone proof that Putin had Litvinenko killed.
Who had the two nuclear scientists killed a few years ago in Tehran in the middle of a traffic jam ... Americans or Russians ... Jews maybe or should that be jews in here?
Are the Russians massing on the American border?
Are the Americans Missing on the Russian borde?
Are the Americans dictating what China can do in it's nearby seas?
Are China dictating what America can do in the Gulf of Mexico?
America is the global aggressor the rogue state with around forty to fifty million civilians killed since the end of WW2.
Democratic governments overthrown regime change here there and everywhere but you think the Russians are the bad guys in this world!
The words convey a message that is totally at odds with the evidence.
The evidence is blood and bombs and destruction on a frightening scale.

[Grafenwalder]

A chemical weapons expert here says the nerve agent is impossible to be manufactured 'in a garden shed' so he feels has to come from a state authority. That will be easier to determine once Porton Down has completed further tests as apparently nerve agent manufacture carries it's own 'footprint', a kind of dna if you like, which establishes the country of origin as each have their own methods of manufacturing.

https://www.channel4.com/news/hamish-de ... -your-shed

That expert was previously part of some NATO task force, which doesn't do loads for his credibility in this. And there'll be no surprises when the tests done at Porton Down (which I'm sure will totally be fair, transparent and impartial ) conveniently "find" the evidence to support whatever narrative our government decides to push. Just like any tests done in a Russian facility would no doubt find evidence proving it couldn't possibly be their government.

Unfortunately you are probably right about that as we've always only ever been told what Government want us to know. I don't know where this will end but doubt we will ever know the facts or full story and you only have to look at the Gareth Williams case to see how that was shrouded in secrecy due to his involvement with GCHQ and MI6. The ex-UK Ambassador to Russia made a valid point in that he thought it more likely to be someone from within the FSB with a personal vengeance.

News over that police officer in a serious condition certainly won't go down well and i imagine that young lady who first spotted them and pondered over stepping in to help but decided to move on is no doubt relieved she did! Two women from an office next to the restaurant have also been taken off to hospital. It's still early days yet but they have an antidote so may survive. I suppose his daughter probably has a better chance being half her fathers age.

Yet another twist in the story now! https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/0 ... nt-linked/

[Rolluplostinspace]

If the evidence was presented to a court along with the words the west and especially America would be found guilty of crimes against humanity.
The evidence would prevent any other result.

[Grafenwalder]

Probably the U'K intelligence services with yet another demonize Putin/Russia.
We've been doing it for two hundred years.

What do you think we would have to gain by doing that? Putin had Litvinenko killed and then annexed the Crimea. It's not like we need to be duped into thinking he's a bad guy.

Are the Russians massing on the American border?
Are the Americans Missing on the Russian border?

1) No, Trump is more concerned about building his wall to keep those pesky Mexicans from massing on the US border! Oh and keeping them mooslims out (apart from Saudi ones tho' ).

2) Damn right they are and have been for some time with missile bases in Poland. Can't think why as Trump boasts he has the biggest button!

[Rolluplostinspace]

While the public fret about the reds under the bed there's Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman getting the red carpet treatment and a huge public relations exercise.

[Kizzie]

Probably the U'K intelligence services with yet another demonize Putin/Russia.
We've been doing it for two hundred years.

Yep with you there Rollup. I'm not falling for it again.

[Guest]

Probably the U'K intelligence services with yet another demonize Putin/Russia.
We've been doing it for two hundred years.

Yep with you there Rollup. I'm not falling for it again.

Lol. Im afraid you have...fallen for some washed up conspiracy pish from some internet oddball. You believe what you want but you will be judged on it.

But to summarise you arexstating that the UK state attempted to murder (likely with VX! In the open environment!) An innocent civilian who was offered asylum and his daughter and has also accidentally put another investigating officer into hospital as he inadvertently come into contact with the agent. You believe the UK state did this to present Putin as a bigeyman.

YOU! are a complete and utter idiot. A remain voter no doubt.