The UK cannot "run out of money"

Re: The UK cannot "run out of money"

Postby Gigabit » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:06 pm

MungoBrush wrote:
Gigabit wrote:
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Gigabit wrote:I notice you have conveniently missed my question: how does the UK printing money and investing it directly into infrastructure create inflation?


As I'm sure you are aware, controlling inflation is the central role of the sovereign bank and the money supply is one of the key factors along with the "Risk free rate" in it's toolbox

The Bank of England uses econometric models to attempt to project impacts of varying these levers, which have to take into account various forecasts of economic activity, employment rates, GDP etc etc

You can read about these models here:

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... of_England

Most of these models are deterministic.

Rather than try to give you a lesson in economics on this forum, you can read this information from the Bank of England which I hope will explain it all to you:

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetary-policy

Apart from the interest rates, sovereign banks have other levers available which you can read about here:

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/0 ... ession.asp

Hope this helps.


Are you missing the point on purpose?

I know what the BoE does, I know how inflation works. That isn't what I asked.

What I asked was how the BoE printing money and spending it directly on infrastructure creates inflation? The Government does it already on other things, I see no inflation. That is because as I've already said, inflation is only created if the money goes directly into the money supply, which it wouldn't if you spent it directly.

How do we know this - well look at 2008 and the money we printed then. How is the hyperinflation we've been living through for 10 years? Oh, wait...


Read and learn Gigabit
Some of us have spent many many years studying this stuff
Your knowledge is just superficial as you have displayed many times.
Dont just keep on spouting the garbage you get from Momentum.


So I'd like you to educate me on how Government investment banks work then please. I don't see hyperinflation in any countries that have those, e.g. South Korea.

And again 2008 we printed BILLIONS and yet no inflation.

Also, nothing to do with Momentum. Always an attack by somebody who is losing the argument.
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Re: The UK cannot "run out of money"

Postby MungoBrush » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:11 pm

Gigabit wrote:
MungoBrush wrote:
Gigabit wrote:
MungoBrush wrote:
Gigabit wrote:I notice you have conveniently missed my question: how does the UK printing money and investing it directly into infrastructure create inflation?


As I'm sure you are aware, controlling inflation is the central role of the sovereign bank and the money supply is one of the key factors along with the "Risk free rate" in it's toolbox

The Bank of England uses econometric models to attempt to project impacts of varying these levers, which have to take into account various forecasts of economic activity, employment rates, GDP etc etc

You can read about these models here:

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... of_England

Most of these models are deterministic.

Rather than try to give you a lesson in economics on this forum, you can read this information from the Bank of England which I hope will explain it all to you:

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetary-policy

Apart from the interest rates, sovereign banks have other levers available which you can read about here:

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/0 ... ession.asp

Hope this helps.


Are you missing the point on purpose?

I know what the BoE does, I know how inflation works. That isn't what I asked.

What I asked was how the BoE printing money and spending it directly on infrastructure creates inflation? The Government does it already on other things, I see no inflation. That is because as I've already said, inflation is only created if the money goes directly into the money supply, which it wouldn't if you spent it directly.

How do we know this - well look at 2008 and the money we printed then. How is the hyperinflation we've been living through for 10 years? Oh, wait...


Read and learn Gigabit
Some of us have spent many many years studying this stuff
Your knowledge is just superficial as you have displayed many times.
Dont just keep on spouting the garbage you get from Momentum.


So I'd like you to educate me on how Government investment banks work then please. I don't see hyperinflation in any countries that have those, e.g. South Korea.

And again 2008 we printed BILLIONS and yet no inflation.

Also, nothing to do with Momentum. Always an attack by somebody who is losing the argument.


I've already provided you with a link to read to learn how the Bank of England implements monetary policy.
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Re: The UK cannot "run out of money"

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:14 pm

Our money is borrowed into existence out of thin air by all the banks at interest.
This means money is debt based as opposed to value based.
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Re: The UK cannot "run out of money"

Postby Gigabit » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:14 pm

You keep fantastically missing the point. The 2008 bailout was a Central Government policy. They said to the BoE, "print us some money", and they did...
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Re: The UK cannot "run out of money"

Postby Gigabit » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:15 pm

Good video here...

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Re: The UK cannot "run out of money"

Postby Stooo » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:17 pm

Maddog wrote:Venezuela isn't running out of money either. In fact they have printed so much that it's now worthless. :ooer:


That's what happens when you rely one one type of trade, in their case, oil.
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Re: The UK cannot "run out of money"

Postby Gigabit » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:17 pm

Stooo wrote:
Maddog wrote:Venezuela isn't running out of money either. In fact they have printed so much that it's now worthless. :ooer:


That's what happens when you rely one one type of trade, in their case, oil.


And have a country like the USA who undermines your country at every turn.

Not defending Venezuela BTW, just think it's a ludicrous comparison to make.
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Re: The UK cannot "run out of money"

Postby Stooo » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:19 pm

Gigabit wrote:
Stooo wrote:
Maddog wrote:Venezuela isn't running out of money either. In fact they have printed so much that it's now worthless. :ooer:


That's what happens when you rely one one type of trade, in their case, oil.


And have a country like the USA who undermines your country at every turn.

Not defending Venezuela BTW, just think it's a ludicrous comparison to make.


Yeah, but commies. Every hole's a goal...
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Re: The UK cannot "run out of money"

Postby Gigabit » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:21 pm

Stooo wrote:
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Stooo wrote:
Maddog wrote:Venezuela isn't running out of money either. In fact they have printed so much that it's now worthless. :ooer:


That's what happens when you rely one one type of trade, in their case, oil.


And have a country like the USA who undermines your country at every turn.

Not defending Venezuela BTW, just think it's a ludicrous comparison to make.


Yeah, but commies. Every hole's a goal...


Those social democracy hellholes, with their record happiness levels and good standards of living, what shitholes
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Re: The UK cannot "run out of money"

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:31 pm

Gigabit wrote:You keep fantastically missing the point. The 2008 bailout was a Central Government policy. They said to the BoE, "print us some money", and they did...

No they didn't.
They said lend us some money and they did .... at interest.
People are led to believe The Bank of England is state owned but it isn't.
There are something like twenty odd royal charters that prevent you from knowing who the real owners are.
If the BOE was truly state owned then it would not be possible to pay interest to itself.
The money would be created interest free.
This kind of banking has become known as Islamic banking.
Iran is the last country creating it's own money interest free.
Oh and N Korea.
The last two on the list of rogue nations targeted for destruction most of which were bombed into having a privately owned central bank.

brian ovens made this Freedom of Information request to Bank of England
........ https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ownership_2
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Re: The UK cannot "run out of money"

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:35 pm

But it no longer really matters who owns central banks as the high street banks are the ones creating money out of thin air.
Complete List of BANKS Owned or Controlled by the Rothschild Family ..... http://humansarefree.com/2013/11/comple ... olled.html
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Re: The UK cannot "run out of money"

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:38 pm

If the BOE were truly 100% owned by the government then the government would be raking in money right now as we the public pay back the interest.
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Re: The UK cannot "run out of money"

Postby Gigabit » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:48 pm

George Osborne wrote off several of the BoE's debts...
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Re: The UK cannot "run out of money"

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:11 pm

Gigabit wrote:George Osborne wrote off several of the BoE's debts...

Debts to who?
Owed by .....
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Re: The UK cannot "run out of money"

Postby MungoBrush » Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:30 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:But it no longer really matters who owns central banks as the high street banks are the ones creating money out of thin air.


Yes but its all under the control of the BoE that sets and monitors capital adequacy ratios
And all banks have to report their positions daily

And it's been like that ever since banking was invented
Communist regimes; capitalist regimes; Islamic regimes
It's not political, it's like gravity. It just is.

What you have posted is like saying:
Hey - people grow grass - lambs eat the grass and turn into sheep - people eat sheep
So what!
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