Racism And Xenophobia Rise After The Brexshit Vote

[Trapper John]

There's a Polish family near my daughter.
A bit worried by what's going on but mostly enjoying living working and playing here.

Of course they are, why else would they be here? - they are hardly likely to have moved to Albania.

I bet getting child tax credits, family allowance, free health care and education plus earning three times as much as they would at home, is not just like living the dream, its like living a fairytale.

"Duly ignores the various surveys indicating that immigrant workers put more into the system than they take out"

https://www.ft.com/content/c49043a8-644 ... 144feabdc0

What you working for the FT now? if you think I'm gonna pay to read drivel, you have another think coming. I read enough on here.

Of course you can argue any case. There will inevitably be foreigners here who will pay far more into the system than others - footballers for instance, businessmen and professionals. They aren't the ones who are draining the system devised to help the less fortunate of British society.

The fact remains that in numbers terms, there are infinitely more immigrants using our system than are contributing to it. No-one not even an immigrant can live here with a family on minimum wage alone, it's a mathmatical fact.

Lets just assume Alisha Usmanov, a Russian worth £billions is included in that and why wouldn't he be? - he maybe pays into 'the system' more than a thousand, ten thousand people earning minimum wage sewing buttons on shirts or cleaning portaloos do.

He won't be getting tax credits and family allowance, he won't be getting housing and council tax benefits he won't be down the local A&E or quacks surgery with half a dozen kids getting numerous diseases we thought had gone forever, diagnosed.

Just like 1% of the people in this world have 99% of the wealth - 1% of immigrants pay 99% of money generated by them into the 'system'. The important thing is, that 1% would probably still be here if the 99% weren't and we'd still have a welfare system that was once the envy of the world.

[Trapper John]

There's a Polish family near my daughter.
A bit worried by what's going on but mostly enjoying living working and playing here.

Of course they are, why else would they be here? - they are hardly likely to have moved to Albania.

I bet getting child tax credits, family allowance, free health care and education plus earning three times as much as they would at home, is not just like living the dream, its like living a fairytale.

"Duly ignores the various surveys indicating that immigrant workers put more into the system than they take out"

https://www.ft.com/content/c49043a8-644 ... 144feabdc0

What you working for the FT now? if you think I'm gonna pay to read drivel, you have another think coming. I read enough on here.

Of course you can argue any case. There will inevitably be foreigners here who will pay far more into the system than others - footballers for instance, businessmen and professionals. They aren't the ones who are draining the system devised to help the less fortunate of British society.

The fact remains that in numbers terms, there are infinitely more immigrants using our system than are contributing to it. No-one not even an immigrant can live here with a family on minimum wage alone, it's a mathmatical fact.

Lets just assume Alisha Usmanov, a Russian worth £billions is included in that and why wouldn't he be? - he maybe pays into 'the system' more than a thousand, ten thousand people earning minimum wage sewing buttons on shirts or cleaning portaloos do.

He won't be getting tax credits and family allowance, he won't be getting housing and council tax benefits he won't be down the local A&E or quacks surgery with half a dozen kids getting numerous diseases we thought had gone forever, diagnosed.

Just like 1% of the people in this world have 99% of the wealth - 1% of immigrants pay 99% of money generated by them into the 'system'. The important thing is, that 1% would probably still be here if the 99% weren't and we'd still have a welfare system that was once the envy of the world instead of one which is crumbling around our ears through sheer weight of numbers.

[Red Okktober]

Shouldn't this thread be called "Perceived Racism And Xenophobia Rise After The Brexshit Vote"

We've reached the stage now where any incident involving a non-white Brit is reported as a hate crime or racism, and the liberal lefties are lapping it up. If a Brit OAP is mugged, it's reported simply as a mugging, whereas if a non-Brit is mugged it's also reported as a hate crime or racism. This why so-called 'hate crime' figures are going up.

There was an incident recently of some kids climbing some scaffolding and flicking paint at passers by - they hit several people, including an immigrant. The paint that hit the immigrant....yup you've guessed it ....it was reported as a hate crime.

The disgraced racism watchdog Tell Mama, who were caught manipulating figures, reported (I don't have the figures to hand, so this is from memory) there was something like 400-500 hate crimes over a given period. On closer inspection though, it turned out only a dozen or so involved some kind of physical activity, mainly throwing things at people. All the others were alleged name calling, mainly online, and many originating from outside the UK.

Ten years ago, if an immigrant got burgled, it would be reported as a burgalry, like any other burgalry, but now it has additional hate crime status as well. Of course hate crime figures are going up, why wouldn't they be? They'll continue to rise and rise as well. It's not rocket science to see why.

[Puzzler]

We got it slightly cheaper than the Wren installer quote!

Nah!

I got them in just to wind up the nasty old bigot (FACT)

Worst Lucian impression ever

[Puzzler]

Shouldn't this thread be called "Perceived Racism And Xenophobia Rise After The Brexshit Vote"

We've reached the stage now where any incident involving a non-white Brit is reported as a hate crime or racism, and the liberal lefties are lapping it up. If a Brit OAP is mugged, it's reported simply as a mugging, whereas if a non-Brit is mugged it's also reported as a hate crime or racism. This why so-called 'hate crime' figures are going up.

There was an incident recently of some kids climbing some scaffolding and flicking paint at passers by - they hit several people, including an immigrant. The paint that hit the immigrant....yup you've guessed it ....it was reported as a hate crime.

The disgraced racism watchdog Tell Mama, who were caught manipulating figures, reported (I don't have the figures to hand, so this is from memory) there was something like 400-500 hate crimes over a given period. On closer inspection though, it turned out only a dozen or so involved some kind of physical activity, mainly throwing things at people. All the others were alleged name calling, mainly online, and many originating from outside the UK.

Ten years ago, if an immigrant got burgled, it would be reported as a burgalry, like any other burgalry, but now it has additional hate crime status as well. Of course hate crime figures are going up, why wouldn't they be? They'll continue to rise and rise as well. It's not rocket science to see why.

Inb4 the ultra liberal mouthbreathers squawk racist at you for not taking the article at face value. I remember one news report about attacks on muslims, this included ‘people avoiding them in shopping centres’ and ‘not sitting next to them on the bus’. Biggest professional victims ever.

[Guest]

Did you know for something to be categorised as a hate crime all that needs to happen is for the 'victim' to report it as such. It does not need to be proven just reported as.

Obvs not if your white. You cannot report anything as a hate crime (unless gay).

Cressida Dicks/Sadiqs and that idiot CPS bints vision in action

[Guest]

Did you know for something to be categorised as a hate crime all that needs to happen is for the 'victim' to report it as such. It does not need to be proven just reported as.

Obvs not if your white. You cannot report anything as a hate crime (unless gay).

Cressida Dicks/Sadiqs and that idiot CPS bints vision in action

Why would a straight white person be a victim of a hate crime?

They aren't part of a minority group which has been discriminated against due to their identity.

A hate crime is labelled as such because it's an attack on a whole grouping of people based on identity.

The only people that have a problem with the hate crime laws are nasty right wing bigots getting all emotional because it's illegal to abuse the minorities now.

Moron.

[Puzzler]

Did you know for something to be categorised as a hate crime all that needs to happen is for the 'victim' to report it as such. It does not need to be proven just reported as.

Obvs not if your white. You cannot report anything as a hate crime (unless gay).

Cressida Dicks/Sadiqs and that idiot CPS bints vision in action

Why would a straight white person be a victim of a hate crime?

They aren't part of a minority group which has been discriminated against due to their identity.

A hate crime is labelled as such because it's an attack on a whole grouping of people based on identity.

The only people that have a problem with the hate crime laws are nasty right wing bigots getting all emotional because it's illegal to abuse the minorities now.

Moron.

So the murders of Ross Parker, Gavin Hopley and Kriss Donald weren’t racist hate crimes then?

[Trapper John]

Did you know for something to be categorised as a hate crime all that needs to happen is for the 'victim' to report it as such. It does not need to be proven just reported as.

Obvs not if your white. You cannot report anything as a hate crime (unless gay).

Cressida Dicks/Sadiqs and that idiot CPS bints vision in action

Why would a straight white person be a victim of a hate crime?

They aren't part of a minority group which has been discriminated against due to their identity.

A hate crime is labelled as such because it's an attack on a whole grouping of people based on identity.

The only people that have a problem with the hate crime laws are nasty right wing bigots getting all emotional because it's illegal to abuse the minorities now.

Moron.

That doesn't ring right? So a black bloke can walk up to a white bloke and say 'I'm gonna stab you, you fucking white bastard' and thats regarded as what? a bit of banter

[Red Okktober]

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Why would a straight white person be a victim of a hate crime?

They aren't part of a minority group which has been discriminated against due to their identity.

A hate crime is labelled as such because it's an attack on a whole grouping of people based on identity.

The only people that have a problem with the hate crime laws are nasty right wing bigots getting all emotional because it's illegal to abuse the minorities now.

Moron.

Except that it isn't.

Hate crimes are pretty much being reported as any crime against any minority under any circumstances. Many of the reported cases are 'crimes' (if indeed they're even that) rather than 'hate crimes' whereby someone is specifically singled out due to their minority status.

For example, the kids randomly flicking paint at passers by, wasn't a hate crime because some happen to land on an immigrant. Nor was Nigel Farage guilty of any hate crimes, despite many reporting him, at the time of Brexit.

Don't get me wrong, of course there are crimes committed against people because of their minority status, no one is saying they don't happen at all, but it is nowhere near as prevalent as some of you have been suckered in to believing.

[Mekon]

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Why would a straight white person be a victim of a hate crime?

They aren't part of a minority group which has been discriminated against due to their identity.

A hate crime is labelled as such because it's an attack on a whole grouping of people based on identity.

The only people that have a problem with the hate crime laws are nasty right wing bigots getting all emotional because it's illegal to abuse the minorities now.

Moron.

Except that it isn't.

Hate crimes are pretty much being reported as any crime against any minority under any circumstances. Many of the reported cases are 'crimes' (if indeed they're even that) rather than 'hate crimes' whereby someone is specifically singled out due to their minority status.

For example, the kids randomly flicking paint at passers by, wasn't a hate crime because some happen to land on an immigrant. Nor was Nigel Farage guilty of any hate crimes, despite many reporting him, at the time of Brexit.

Don't get me wrong, of course there are crimes committed against people because of their minority status, no one is saying they don't happen at all, but it is nowhere near as prevalent as some of you have been suckered in to believing.

Like you'd know.

[Red Okktober]

Like you'd know.

The kids flicking paint and all the Nigel Farage complaints weren't hate crimes, so there's some we can strike off 'rise in hate crime figures' for starters. Plus all the ones made up by Tell Mama - and you can see where this is heading can't you?

[Mekon]

Like you'd know.

The kids flicking paint and all the Nigel Farage complaints weren't hate crimes, so there's some we can strike off 'rise in hate crime figures' for starters. Plus all the ones made up by Tell Mama - and you can see where this is heading can't you?

Those few instances support your agenda but not your conclusion.

"No one is saying they don't happen at all, but it is nowhere near as prevalent as some of you have been suckered in to believing."

[Red Okktober]

Those few instances support your agenda but not your conclusion.

"No one is saying they don't happen at all, but it is nowhere near as prevalent as some of you have been suckered in to believing."

I'd say it's more than a 'few' people making spurious claims of hate crimes:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 47141.html

[Mekon]

Those few instances support your agenda but not your conclusion.

"No one is saying they don't happen at all, but it is nowhere near as prevalent as some of you have been suckered in to believing."

I'd say it's more than a 'few' people making spurious claims of hate crimes:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 47141.html

You would, but that fact remains that three-quarters of everyone charged with a hate crime last year pleaded guilty while the number of racially and religiously aggravated hate crime reported to the CPS fell. Not evidence of spuriousness is it?