Racism And Xenophobia Rise After The Brexshit Vote

[Trapper John]

Those few instances support your agenda but not your conclusion.

"No one is saying they don't happen at all, but it is nowhere near as prevalent as some of you have been suckered in to believing."

I'd say it's more than a 'few' people making spurious claims of hate crimes:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 47141.html

You would, but that fact remains that three-quarters of everyone charged with a hate crime last year pleaded guilty while the number of racially and religiously aggravated hate crime reported to the CPS fell. Hardly evidence of spuriousness is it?

Because thats how the system is geared. Any idea of how many pleaded guilty in court and how many pleaded guilty and accepted a police caution?

[Red Okktober]

You would, but that fact remains that three-quarters of everyone charged with a hate crime last year pleaded guilty while the number of racially and religiously aggravated hate crime reported to the CPS fell. Hardly evidence of spuriousness is it?

You do realise those charged isn't the same as hate crimes being reported? The ones who are charged are what's left after the police have wasted thousands of man hours sifting through all the spurious claims.

[Mekon]

Those few instances support your agenda but not your conclusion.

"No one is saying they don't happen at all, but it is nowhere near as prevalent as some of you have been suckered in to believing."

I'd say it's more than a 'few' people making spurious claims of hate crimes:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 47141.html

You would, but that fact remains that three-quarters of everyone charged with a hate crime last year pleaded guilty while the number of racially and religiously aggravated hate crime reported to the CPS fell. Hardly evidence of spuriousness is it?

Because thats how the system is geared. Any idea of how many pleaded guilty in court and how many pleaded guilty and accepted a police caution?

Racists would claim that.

[Mekon]

You would, but that fact remains that three-quarters of everyone charged with a hate crime last year pleaded guilty while the number of racially and religiously aggravated hate crime reported to the CPS fell. Hardly evidence of spuriousness is it?

You do realise those charged isn't the same as hate crimes being reported? The ones who are charged are what's left after the police have wasted thousands of man hours sifting through all the spurious claims.

Yes I do, I deal in facts not speculation. Since you are "in the know" please provide the numbers of hate crimes reported to police that have no basis in fact.

[Trapper John]

Those few instances support your agenda but not your conclusion.

"No one is saying they don't happen at all, but it is nowhere near as prevalent as some of you have been suckered in to believing."

I'd say it's more than a 'few' people making spurious claims of hate crimes:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 47141.html

You would, but that fact remains that three-quarters of everyone charged with a hate crime last year pleaded guilty while the number of racially and religiously aggravated hate crime reported to the CPS fell. Hardly evidence of spuriousness is it?

Because thats how the system is geared. Any idea of how many pleaded guilty in court and how many pleaded guilty and accepted a police caution?

Racists would claim that.

You didn't answer my question, do you have any idea or not? only you appear to have the answer to so many things I thought it might just trip off your tongue.

[Mark]

we are no more, or less racist, as a nation now, than we were before we bravely voted in favour of Democracy
(tho gawd knows far too many of us too effing thick to use it)

as for minorities

just look down the frog from us TJ
where a rag tag bunch of non travelling, council house living travellers, are laying siege to a street where one of their "angels" got a bit of justice with his own screwdriver, from a disabled 78 year old.
the not too subtle threats/tributes are being guarded by the gavvers, and any non gypsy who dare touch em will get nicked.
now these folk aint immigrants, they're born n bred, but cos of their lottery winning minority ststus

they are treated differently, more favourably, than the rest of us

this is fucked up, truly

thankfully
theres rumours that folk from good gypsy families, will be stopping those who see conning, scaring, robbing and targeting our old and infirm (of all bloody colours) as a decent way to nick a "living"

this ongoing farce, shows everyone that the law is an arse
and that some folk are legally treated differently to others

shyte like this does more to fan the fucked up flames of racism, than any poxy vote ever can

[Mekon]

Because thats how the system is geared. Any idea of how many pleaded guilty in court and how many pleaded guilty and accepted a police caution?

Racists would claim that.

You didn't answer my question, do you have any idea or not? only you appear to have the answer to so many things I thought it might just trip off your tongue.

I know the following. In 2016/17, there were 80,393 offences recorded by the police in which one or more hate
crime strands were deemed to be a motivating factor. This was an increase of 29 per cent compared with the 62,518 hate crimes recorded in 2015/16.

Short of tin-foil accusations of the police and authorities conspiring to falsify the position you know no better.

[Trapper John]

we are no more, or less racist, as a nation now, than we were before we bravely voted in favour of Democracy
(tho gawd knows far too many of us too effing thick to use it)

as for minorities

just look down the frog from us TJ
where a rag tag bunch of non travelling, council house living travellers, are laying siege to a street where one of their "angels" got a bit of justice with his own screwdriver, from a disabled 78 year old.
the not too subtle threats/tributes are being guarded by the gavvers, and any non gypsy who dare touch em will get nicked.
now these folk aint immigrants, they're born n bred, but cos of their lottery winning minority ststus

they are treated differently, more favourably, than the rest of us

this is fucked up, truly

thankfully
theres rumours that folk from good gypsy families, will be stopping those who see conning, scaring, robbing and targeting our old and infirm (of all bloody colours) as a decent way to nick a "living"

this ongoing farce, shows everyone that the law is an arse
and that some folk are legally treated differently to others

shyte like this does more to fan the fucked up flames of racism, than any poxy vote ever can

Absolutely mate, spot on.

[Mark]

Because thats how the system is geared. Any idea of how many pleaded guilty in court and how many pleaded guilty and accepted a police caution?

Racists would claim that.

You didn't answer my question, do you have any idea or not? only you appear to have the answer to so many things I thought it might just trip off your tongue.

I know the following. In 2016/17, there were 80,393 offences recorded by the police in which one or more hate
crime strands were deemed to be a motivating factor. This was an increase of 29 per cent compared with the 62,518 hate crimes recorded in 2015/16.

Short of tin-foil accusations of the police and authorities conspiring to falsify the position you know no better.

surely EVERY crime is a hate crime

you cant exactly love the folk you are scamming, robbing, stabbing, dousing or shooting now can ya.

for far too long, the law treats us all differently
minorities get more leaway than non minorities for certain things, yet get less for others
then theres the good old establishment, who seem above the laws they impose onto us
it just another form of discrimination

[Mekon]

Because thats how the system is geared. Any idea of how many pleaded guilty in court and how many pleaded guilty and accepted a police caution?

Racists would claim that.

You didn't answer my question, do you have any idea or not? only you appear to have the answer to so many things I thought it might just trip off your tongue.

I know the following. In 2016/17, there were 80,393 offences recorded by the police in which one or more hate
crime strands were deemed to be a motivating factor. This was an increase of 29 per cent compared with the 62,518 hate crimes recorded in 2015/16.

Short of tin-foil accusations of the police and authorities conspiring to falsify the position you know no better.

surely EVERY crime is a hate crime

you cant exactly love the folk you are scamming, robbing, stabbing, dousing or shooting now can ya.

for far too long, the law treats us all differently
minorities get more leaway than non minorities for certain things, yet get less for others
then theres the good old establishment, who seem above the laws they impose onto us
it just another form of discrimination

We are discussing hate crime as defined in law.

[Mark]

I know the following. In 2016/17, there were 80,393 offences recorded by the police in which one or more hate
crime strands were deemed to be a motivating factor. This was an increase of 29 per cent compared with the 62,518 hate crimes recorded in 2015/16.

Short of tin-foil accusations of the police and authorities conspiring to falsify the position you know no better.[/quote]

surely EVERY crime is a hate crime

you cant exactly love the folk you are scamming, robbing, stabbing, dousing or shooting now can ya.

for far too long, the law treats us all differently
minorities get more leaway than non minorities for certain things, yet get less for others
then theres the good old establishment, who seem above the laws they impose onto us
it just another form of discrimination[/quote]

We are discussing hate crime as defined in law.[/quote]

since when has our establishments law

been anything other than a twisted control mechanism
to protect them, from the rest of us?
the laws an arse, always has been
why would I get a 20 stretch for robbing their safety deposit boxes, yet only get a 3 for abusing a baby?
how can a rapist or murderer, get less than those who steal from the wealthy?
how is there law in any way, good right decent or proper?

[Red Okktober]

I know the following. In 2016/17, there were 80,393 offences recorded by the police in which one or more hate
crime strands were deemed to be a motivating factor. This was an increase of 29 per cent compared with the 62,518 hate crimes recorded in 2015/16.

Short of tin-foil accusations of the police and authorities conspiring to falsify the position you know no better.

Wow - 80,000+ - that's a lot of hate crimes there! No wonder you liberal lefties are so concerned.

Do you know how many of those 80,000 made it to court? I'll tell you - 14,000 (or 16%). In other words 84% of hate crime allegations were thrown out last year. I'd call those allegations pretty spurious in any one's books wouldn't you?

in fact 1,000 fewer made it to court than the previous year, when the allegations were 29% lower. What does this tell us? It tells us that false allegations of hate crime have gone through the fucking roof since Brexit. Yet mugs like you lap it up.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/c ... 03716.html

[Mekon]

Mark, I am not here defending the legal system, I am simply attempting to redress the deliberately skewed impression of hate crime fostered by our resident racists.

[Red Okktober]

I am not here defending the legal system, I am simply attempting to redress the deliberately skewed impression of hate crime fostered by our resident racists.

The topic is 'hate crime on the rise since Brexit'

When it really should be 'Spurious claims of hate crime on the rise since Brexit'

Btw - you're just as big a mug whatever name you log in as.

[Trapper John]

Because thats how the system is geared. Any idea of how many pleaded guilty in court and how many pleaded guilty and accepted a police caution?

Racists would claim that.

You didn't answer my question, do you have any idea or not? only you appear to have the answer to so many things I thought it might just trip off your tongue.

I know the following. In 2016/17, there were 80,393 offences recorded by the police in which one or more hate
crime strands were deemed to be a motivating factor. This was an increase of 29 per cent compared with the 62,518 hate crimes recorded in 2015/16.

Short of tin-foil accusations of the police and authorities conspiring to falsify the position you know no better.

Ok so you don't, thats all you needed to say.

So why I said the system is geared to it has nothing to do with racism and everything to do with the caution system being what many people believe is an easier option by not going to court and the possibilty of being named in public, whether found guilty or not, a belief the police take great efforts in promoting.

Unfortunately if people knew the true magnitude of accepting a police caution they might very well prefer to take their chances in court, if in fact they would ever see the inside of one.

So without the figures to contradict me, I would say that it's likely that the majority of those guilty pleas were made under caution and made not because they were true, but because it was the easier option.

Hate crime has not risen or changed in decades, the ease with which it can reported as such, the reasons it can be reported as such and the way it can be recorded as such, has.