Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby Didge » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:53 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:Michel Chossudovsky founder of Global Research is a former professor of economics at the University of Ottawa, Canada.
His views on economics will be worth more than yours.
At the end of the day through the wars and economics disasters the environmental impacts etc etc Global research has proved more honest and correct than the MSM who have constantly lied to all of us and obviously continue to do so.


lol, and as seen is a conspiracy loon who is anti-western and blames Jews

Why not post fully the source



Michel Chossudovsky (born 1946) is a Canadian economist, author and conspiracy theorist.[1][2] He is professor emeritus of economics at the University of Ottawa[3][4] and the president and director of the Centre for Research on Globalization, which publishes conspiracy theories.[5][6][7][8] Chossudovsky has written that the September 11 attacks were not committed by Islamic terrorists, and that the attacks were a pretext for war in the Middle East.[9][10][11][12]

In 2017, the Centre for Research on Globalization was accused by NATO information warfare specialists of playing a key role in the spread of pro-Russian propaganda


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky

Honest?

ha ha ha ha

Seriously buddy, you do make me laugh like most hard lefties, who defend an antisemitic war criminal in Assad.

Over your own country
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Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby Didge » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:58 pm

Cannydc wrote:
Didge wrote:
Cannydc wrote:Chlorine is easy to make. And that's what was used. But by whom ?

I listened to a UK Defence Chief today - in his words "If I were a rebel leader, I would ensure that I had a stock of this type of chemical weapon, and release it as one of Assad's helicopters flies over. It is a very powerful weapon, to discredit your opponent"

Yes, he actually said that.


Weaponized Chlorine is easy to make in a town surrounded by Assad forces?

Really, based on what evidenced?

You mean Lord West, a lefty?

Who is not the UK Defence Chief

So explain to me, how within a town surrounded with out basic needs, they were able to create massive amounts of weaponized Chlorine?

Then able to to use a barrel bomb?


Oh right, of course Lord West just wears fancy dress... (I said A defence chief, not THE defence chief)

The claim is that it is entirely possible TO BE SUPPLIED WITH WEAPONISED CHLORINE from an outside source.... And very likely that has happened.

As I said, assumptions are being made about this. “Numerous eyewitnesses corroborate that barrel bombs were dropped from these helicopters, a tactic used to target civilians indiscriminately throughout the war. Photos of barrel bombs dropped in Douma closely match those used previously by the regime. These barrel bombs were likely used in the chemical attack.”

Note carefully the word LIKELY. And note what I posted - it is relatively simple to wait for a government helicopter to drop barrel bombs, then release Chlorine.....

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Well Lord west certainly does not have any evidence to back up his opinions, does he?

Talk about backtracking when you did make a mistake, not knowing he was formely

Show me the evidence, that weaponized Chlroine was able to get through a siege and supply the rebels?
We know Assad's stocks of Chlroine were not given up.

So how did a besieged group of rebels get hold off large quantities of weaponized Chlorine and the ability to deliver this from the air, through a barrel bomb?

So you need to start coming up with some facts, as seen French intelligence has, which conflicts with your opinions
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Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:05 pm

Didge wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:Michel Chossudovsky founder of Global Research is a former professor of economics at the University of Ottawa, Canada.
His views on economics will be worth more than yours.
At the end of the day through the wars and economics disasters the environmental impacts etc etc Global research has proved more honest and correct than the MSM who have constantly lied to all of us and obviously continue to do so.


lol, and as seen is a conspiracy loon who is anti-western and blames Jews

Why not post fully the source



Michel Chossudovsky (born 1946) is a Canadian economist, author and conspiracy theorist.[1][2] He is professor emeritus of economics at the University of Ottawa[3][4] and the president and director of the Centre for Research on Globalization, which publishes conspiracy theories.[5][6][7][8] Chossudovsky has written that the September 11 attacks were not committed by Islamic terrorists, and that the attacks were a pretext for war in the Middle East.[9][10][11][12]

In 2017, the Centre for Research on Globalization was accused by NATO information warfare specialists of playing a key role in the spread of pro-Russian propaganda


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky

Honest?

ha ha ha ha

Seriously buddy, you do make me laugh like most hard lefties, who defend an antisemitic war criminal in Assad.

Over your own country

Well of course the powers that be are going to attack him!
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Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby Cannydc » Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:06 pm

Who says they delivered Chlorine Gas via barrel bombs in air drops ? You are grasping at straws, frankly.

See, I am hearing more and more claims from those there that there was no gas. None.

And I, like you, am only party to the meagre details that May and her allies are prepared to release.

There seems to be little or no evidence. The French have no more than we do.

And what little there is, you have swallowed, amplified a hundred times and regurgitated.
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Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby Didge » Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:09 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:
Didge wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:I'm denying any was used just like the hospital said no chemical weapons victims are being treated.
There are film crews there from all over the planet and they would all be at the hospital beaming pictures to us but nope no pictures.
Seems they agree with the hospital too.
I think it's called agreeing with reality.


Really, is this the claim, made from yet another of your anti-west and antisemitic conspiracy websites Like Global Research?

A town surrounded denied access to the area by Putin and Assad, would have plenty off film crews?

Really, based on what reality, when they have just denied the OPCW inspectors to the site?

I think you are just about the musst gullible human being I have met that buys Russian disinformation from anti-western psuedo sites

I hold my hands up all the press/film crews covering Syria were mostly in Damascus and not the supposedly attacked area.


Glad to hear some sense mate. Now explain to me why a western reporter in Robert Fisk, know for his anti-western stance. Can gain access to the town and as of yesterday, the OPCW inspectors could not?

Fisk is relying on a people who remain after the rebels withdrew. So how in anyway, is that evidence reliable?

Is not the evidence of the victims and the organisations like WHO more reliable?

I mean the French have provided Intelligence and now it seens that the OPCW will be lucky to find evidence, as they have know doubt cleaned the area, since they stalled the OPCW inspectors.

I mean, dont you find it odd, that they would stall them, and yet allow certain jorunalists know for their anti-western stance?

Does that not seem highly suspcious?
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Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby Didge » Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:13 pm

Cannydc wrote:Who says they delivered Chlorine Gas via barrel bombs in air drops ? You are grasping at straws, frankly.

See, I am hearing more and more claims from those there that there was no gas. None.

And I, like you, am only party to the meagre details that May and her allies are prepared to release.

There seems to be little or no evidence. The French have no more than we do.

And what little there is, you have swallowed, amplified a hundred times and regurgitated.


Well I imagine 500 people injured and scores dead is a tad of a clue and back up by organisations like WHO

Are you claiming they are lying?

Plus the fact the French have evidence, which i have already posted on this thread.

Or did you conviently ignore their declassified file?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mide ... SKBN1HL0N1

There is plenty of evidence of also countless other attacks with chemical weapons. Some by the Rebels and countless more by Assad

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24130181
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Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:13 pm

Didge wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:
Didge wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:I'm denying any was used just like the hospital said no chemical weapons victims are being treated.
There are film crews there from all over the planet and they would all be at the hospital beaming pictures to us but nope no pictures.
Seems they agree with the hospital too.
I think it's called agreeing with reality.


Really, is this the claim, made from yet another of your anti-west and antisemitic conspiracy websites Like Global Research?

A town surrounded denied access to the area by Putin and Assad, would have plenty off film crews?

Really, based on what reality, when they have just denied the OPCW inspectors to the site?

I think you are just about the musst gullible human being I have met that buys Russian disinformation from anti-western psuedo sites

I hold my hands up all the press/film crews covering Syria were mostly in Damascus and not the supposedly attacked area.


Glad to hear some sense mate. Now explain to me why a western reporter in Robert Fisk, know for his anti-western stance. Can gain access to the town and as of yesterday, the OPCW inspectors could not?

Fisk is relying on a people who remain after the rebels withdrew. So how in anyway, is that evidence reliable?

Is not the evidence of the victims and the organisations like WHO more reliable?

I mean the French have provided Intelligence and now it seens that the OPCW will be lucky to find evidence, as they have know doubt cleaned the area, since they stalled the OPCW inspectors.

I mean, dont you find it odd, that they would stall them, and yet allow certain jorunalists know for their anti-western stance?

Does that not seem highly suspcious?

He isn't anti western.
A crew of inspectors make a tasty target while a couple of press guys can easily walk about like the thousands of other people. There isn't a fence round the place.
No they can't clean it up.
The residues last up to six months.
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Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby Didge » Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:16 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:
Didge wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:
Didge wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:I'm denying any was used just like the hospital said no chemical weapons victims are being treated.
There are film crews there from all over the planet and they would all be at the hospital beaming pictures to us but nope no pictures.
Seems they agree with the hospital too.
I think it's called agreeing with reality.


Really, is this the claim, made from yet another of your anti-west and antisemitic conspiracy websites Like Global Research?

A town surrounded denied access to the area by Putin and Assad, would have plenty off film crews?

Really, based on what reality, when they have just denied the OPCW inspectors to the site?

I think you are just about the musst gullible human being I have met that buys Russian disinformation from anti-western psuedo sites

I hold my hands up all the press/film crews covering Syria were mostly in Damascus and not the supposedly attacked area.


Glad to hear some sense mate. Now explain to me why a western reporter in Robert Fisk, know for his anti-western stance. Can gain access to the town and as of yesterday, the OPCW inspectors could not?

Fisk is relying on a people who remain after the rebels withdrew. So how in anyway, is that evidence reliable?

Is not the evidence of the victims and the organisations like WHO more reliable?

I mean the French have provided Intelligence and now it seens that the OPCW will be lucky to find evidence, as they have know doubt cleaned the area, since they stalled the OPCW inspectors.

I mean, dont you find it odd, that they would stall them, and yet allow certain jorunalists know for their anti-western stance?

Does that not seem highly suspcious?

He isn't anti western.
A crew of inspectors make a tasty target while a couple of press guys can easily walk about like the thousands of other people. There isn't a fence round the place.
No they can't clean it up.
The residues last up to six months.


He is very much anti-western, in his stance off the west, this is very well known.

Come on mate, are you saying, that now yesterday, the Syrians and Russians could not protect the OPCW but today they can?

Can they not, do you have evidence on that?
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Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby Didge » Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:26 pm

In that building, Doane met Nasr Hanan's, who told us his brother Hamzeh died in the attack. He showed CBS News what he said was the origin of the deadly gas: a missile on the roof of the building.

The scene now has been cleaned up, and when the OPCW inspectors finally make it into Douma, Doane says they'll find that not only time has passed, but plenty of people, too.

Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, former head of the British army's chemical weapons unit who is now a consultant on chemical and biological weapons, said Tuesday that his contacts at clinics in Douma told him doctors from the suburb had been taken in recent days into central Damascus for briefings, and not returned.

De Bretton-Gordon said both chlorine and sarin gas -- the weapons the U.S. says were used in Douma on April 7 -- dissipate quickly in open air, so inspectors will likely focus on obtaining biological medical samples from the victims to try and prove or disprove the presence of those toxins. The OPCW is not tasked with assigning blame, only establishing whether chemical weapons were used, and if so, which ones.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-say ... er-attack/

Anyway, have a good evening Rolluplostinspace, have things to do tonight
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Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby Stooo » Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:41 pm

Cannydc wrote:I just can't wait for Treeza's explanation as to why it was in the UK's interest to interfere in a sovereign country's civil war - and even better why our MPs weren't allowed to debate such an incursion. My guess ? Trump told her exactly what he required. And she politely deferred.


She's got those wonderful trade deals to think about. I wonder how that goes down in the mind of the Vicar's daughter, does she still sees the stain on her hand...
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Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby Cannydc » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:23 pm

Stooo wrote:
Cannydc wrote:I just can't wait for Treeza's explanation as to why it was in the UK's interest to interfere in a sovereign country's civil war - and even better why our MPs weren't allowed to debate such an incursion. My guess ? Trump told her exactly what he required. And she politely deferred.


She's got those wonderful trade deals to think about. I wonder how that goes down in the mind of the Vicar's daughter, does she still sees the stain on her hand...


She certainly got the mad-mare eye roll down to a tee when Corbyn politely suggested that she was doing Trump's bidding.

To my eye, it had the look of 'the old bat doth protest too much' about it.
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Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby Cannydc » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:28 pm

"Talk about backtracking when you did make a mistake, not knowing he was formerly"

I certainly didn't backtrack. I chose my words carefully, as I generally do, and wrote A DEFENCE CHIEF (which he was, and speaks from authority).

If you are going to reply to my posts, it is a good idea to read them properly.

Something you have failed to do on more than one occasion.
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Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:26 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:The missile attack was an embarrassment to the west.
Pretty much a failure due to the highly advanced Russian defence systems in place.
Less than half the missiles got to their targets or exploded.
Why?



[i]Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges, the commander of the US Army in Europe, has described Russian advances in electronic warfare in Syria as “eye watering.”

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/ame ... fare-22380

It really isn't far fetched to say that it won't be long before the defence system itself becomes offensive by turning the missile around and sending it back to where it came from!
Russia are streets ahead of everyone else and I'm betting they get there first.
If they don't tell anyone and turn a missile back to the ship it came from will America accuse the Russians of targeting American ships or accept they fired it ......
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Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:33 am

An Empire Built on Fear at Home and Abroad. War Fever is Everywhere
posting.php?mode=reply&f=20&t=46389

It's an opinion piece ok?
I shouldn't have to explain that but the way some people froth they could do with a garden hose turning on them ....
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Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:40 am

Double hypocritical standards?
Imagine if Russia behaved like this or Syria or China or Jeremy Corbyn!

Didge would of course have the answers ......


UK refuses to back UN inquiry into Saudi 'war crimes' amid fears it will damage trade (from that weirdo conspiracy lot at The Independent.)
Britain’s Middle East and North Africa minister Alistair Burt argued that the Saudi-led coalition itself should investigate any atrocities it committed in its conflict against rebel forces in Yemen

Britain vowed not to back a proposed UN investigation into possible war crimes by Saudi Arabia in Yemen after the Kingdom threatened to review its trade with nations who backed the move.

But the Kingdom said it “will not accept” any outside investigation into the allegations and warned countries that supported the move could see their trade with the Saudis suffer.
Mr Burt, according to a report in the International Business Times, said: "Our view is that it is for the Coalition itself, in the first instance, to conduct such investigations.

“They have the best insight into their own military procedures and will be able to conduct the most thorough and conclusive investigations.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk-s ... 71516.html
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