Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:28 pm

Voices of the Syrian People
he attack against Syria – this proud and independent country -has just taken place.

Three countries with zero moral mandate to judge or punish anybody; three countries, already responsible for hundreds of millions of human lives lost on all continents for centuries, showered Syria with their missiles.

They tried to scare to death Syria, and to break its determination, but they failed. Most of the Syrian people stood proudly by their government.

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Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby Cannydc » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:30 pm

So come on - how was my comment 'nonsense', Roc ?

What use are they, when they can only confirm that a chemical attack took place (65 dead, independent witnesses, so quite likely) and what was used (again, witnesses speak of a strong Chlorine smell on victims) ???
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Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:45 pm

Soon this place will be reported as having people rise up against their government.
The government we will be told are baaaad evil people and the bullshit and the bombs will start falling.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?rlz=1C1 ... 9&dpr=1.25
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Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:48 pm

Will this place come before or after that one?
Won't need too much bullshit about this one as we've had sixty years of bullshit about it already!
But soon .... all this will be rubble dust and blood .... https://www.google.co.uk/search?rlz=1C1 ... 9&dpr=1.25
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Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby Cannydc » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:55 pm

Cannydc wrote:So come on - how was my comment 'nonsense', Roc ?

What use are they, when they can only confirm that a chemical attack took place (65 dead, independent witnesses, so quite likely) and what was used (again, witnesses speak of a strong Chlorine smell on victims) ???


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Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby Didge » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:05 pm

Cannydc wrote:
Didge wrote:Russia said a visit by chemical weapons inspectors to the site of a suspected gas attack in Syria's Douma today had been delayed as a result of Western air strikes. The British delegation to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons said Russia and Syria had not yet allowed access.
But Dmitry Peskov, Vladimir Putin's spokesman, said: 'We consider such accusations against Russia to be groundless,' adding that Moscow was in favour of 'an impartial investigation'.

The British delegation said in a statement posted on Twitter: 'Unfettered access [is] essential. Russia and Syria must cooperate.'


Britain's ambassador to the OPCW also said Russian assertions about why a team of inspectors had so far been unable to reach Douma were incorrect.


Russian officials have said that the inspectors were unable to reach Douma because they had not been cleared by the United Nations and because of US-led strikes carried out on targets in Syria on Saturday prevented them.


But Ambassador Peter Wilson said at a news conference in The Hague that the United Nations had cleared the inspectors to go, and they had been unable to reach Douma because Syria and Russia had been unable to guarantee their safety.


Earlier, Russia vowed not to interfere in the work of a fact-finding mission sent to Syria by OPWC.


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Clearly stalling, so they can cover up the evidence


The main flaw in all of this is that although ALL parties seem to agree that a chemical attack took place, the presence of OPCW would benefit no-one.

Reason being, they are not permitted to apportion blame on anyone.

Therefore they are as useful as a chocolate fireguard, and extolling their benefits is pointless.



They are there to confirm whether chemical weapons have been used

So they are very uselful and have before tell what kinds of weapon was used, which is very telling, without having to point the finger, but shows obviously who would have carried out the attack.

As they have previously in 2017

Just as the UN did in 2014, in their fact finding mission. Which found that the trajectory of rockets, could have only come from the Syrian Governement forces

Then we have other intelligence for this latest attack

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mide ... SKBN1HL0N1
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Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby McAz » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:06 pm

Not the "dodgy" dossier again. :shake head:
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Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby Didge » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:08 pm



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Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby Cannydc » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:35 pm

Didge wrote:
Cannydc wrote:
Didge wrote:Russia said a visit by chemical weapons inspectors to the site of a suspected gas attack in Syria's Douma today had been delayed as a result of Western air strikes. The British delegation to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons said Russia and Syria had not yet allowed access.
But Dmitry Peskov, Vladimir Putin's spokesman, said: 'We consider such accusations against Russia to be groundless,' adding that Moscow was in favour of 'an impartial investigation'.

The British delegation said in a statement posted on Twitter: 'Unfettered access [is] essential. Russia and Syria must cooperate.'


Britain's ambassador to the OPCW also said Russian assertions about why a team of inspectors had so far been unable to reach Douma were incorrect.


Russian officials have said that the inspectors were unable to reach Douma because they had not been cleared by the United Nations and because of US-led strikes carried out on targets in Syria on Saturday prevented them.


But Ambassador Peter Wilson said at a news conference in The Hague that the United Nations had cleared the inspectors to go, and they had been unable to reach Douma because Syria and Russia had been unable to guarantee their safety.


Earlier, Russia vowed not to interfere in the work of a fact-finding mission sent to Syria by OPWC.


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Clearly stalling, so they can cover up the evidence


The main flaw in all of this is that although ALL parties seem to agree that a chemical attack took place, the presence of OPCW would benefit no-one.

Reason being, they are not permitted to apportion blame on anyone.

Therefore they are as useful as a chocolate fireguard, and extolling their benefits is pointless.



They are there to confirm whether chemical weapons have been used

So they are very uselful and have before tell what kinds of weapon was used, which is very telling, without having to point the finger, but shows obviously who would have carried out the attack.

As they have previously in 2017

Just as the UN did in 2014, in their fact finding mission. Which found that the trajectory of rockets, could have only come from the Syrian Governement forces

Then we have other intelligence for this latest attack

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mide ... SKBN1HL0N1


So they cannot apportion actual blame, and are therefore next to useless. The rest can come from various witnesses. It's actual proof of the aggressor's identity that is needed.
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Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby Didge » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:44 pm

Cannydc wrote:
Didge wrote:
Cannydc wrote:
Didge wrote:Russia said a visit by chemical weapons inspectors to the site of a suspected gas attack in Syria's Douma today had been delayed as a result of Western air strikes. The British delegation to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons said Russia and Syria had not yet allowed access.
But Dmitry Peskov, Vladimir Putin's spokesman, said: 'We consider such accusations against Russia to be groundless,' adding that Moscow was in favour of 'an impartial investigation'.

The British delegation said in a statement posted on Twitter: 'Unfettered access [is] essential. Russia and Syria must cooperate.'


Britain's ambassador to the OPCW also said Russian assertions about why a team of inspectors had so far been unable to reach Douma were incorrect.


Russian officials have said that the inspectors were unable to reach Douma because they had not been cleared by the United Nations and because of US-led strikes carried out on targets in Syria on Saturday prevented them.


But Ambassador Peter Wilson said at a news conference in The Hague that the United Nations had cleared the inspectors to go, and they had been unable to reach Douma because Syria and Russia had been unable to guarantee their safety.


Earlier, Russia vowed not to interfere in the work of a fact-finding mission sent to Syria by OPWC.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z5CrBl6hZY
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Clearly stalling, so they can cover up the evidence


The main flaw in all of this is that although ALL parties seem to agree that a chemical attack took place, the presence of OPCW would benefit no-one.

Reason being, they are not permitted to apportion blame on anyone.

Therefore they are as useful as a chocolate fireguard, and extolling their benefits is pointless.



They are there to confirm whether chemical weapons have been used

So they are very uselful and have before tell what kinds of weapon was used, which is very telling, without having to point the finger, but shows obviously who would have carried out the attack.

As they have previously in 2017

Just as the UN did in 2014, in their fact finding mission. Which found that the trajectory of rockets, could have only come from the Syrian Governement forces

Then we have other intelligence for this latest attack

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mide ... SKBN1HL0N1


So they cannot apportion actual blame, and are therefore next to useless. The rest can come from various witnesses. It's actual proof of the aggressor's identity that is needed.



Only in your eyes, after you clearly seem to fail to graps anything

I mean are you denying chemical weapons have been used?

Who do you think made them in Syria?

Assad by any chance?
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Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby Cannydc » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:36 pm

Chlorine is easy to make. And that's what was used. But by whom ?

I listened to a UK Defence Chief today - in his words "If I were a rebel leader, I would ensure that I had a stock of this type of chemical weapon, and release it as one of Assad's helicopters flies over. It is a very powerful weapon, to discredit your opponent"

Yes, he actually said that.
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Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:11 pm

Didge wrote:
Cannydc wrote:
Didge wrote:
Cannydc wrote:
Didge wrote:Russia said a visit by chemical weapons inspectors to the site of a suspected gas attack in Syria's Douma today had been delayed as a result of Western air strikes. The British delegation to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons said Russia and Syria had not yet allowed access.
But Dmitry Peskov, Vladimir Putin's spokesman, said: 'We consider such accusations against Russia to be groundless,' adding that Moscow was in favour of 'an impartial investigation'.

The British delegation said in a statement posted on Twitter: 'Unfettered access [is] essential. Russia and Syria must cooperate.'


Britain's ambassador to the OPCW also said Russian assertions about why a team of inspectors had so far been unable to reach Douma were incorrect.


Russian officials have said that the inspectors were unable to reach Douma because they had not been cleared by the United Nations and because of US-led strikes carried out on targets in Syria on Saturday prevented them.


But Ambassador Peter Wilson said at a news conference in The Hague that the United Nations had cleared the inspectors to go, and they had been unable to reach Douma because Syria and Russia had been unable to guarantee their safety.


Earlier, Russia vowed not to interfere in the work of a fact-finding mission sent to Syria by OPWC.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z5CrBl6hZY
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Clearly stalling, so they can cover up the evidence


The main flaw in all of this is that although ALL parties seem to agree that a chemical attack took place, the presence of OPCW would benefit no-one.

Reason being, they are not permitted to apportion blame on anyone.

Therefore they are as useful as a chocolate fireguard, and extolling their benefits is pointless.



They are there to confirm whether chemical weapons have been used

So they are very uselful and have before tell what kinds of weapon was used, which is very telling, without having to point the finger, but shows obviously who would have carried out the attack.

As they have previously in 2017

Just as the UN did in 2014, in their fact finding mission. Which found that the trajectory of rockets, could have only come from the Syrian Governement forces

Then we have other intelligence for this latest attack

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mide ... SKBN1HL0N1


So they cannot apportion actual blame, and are therefore next to useless. The rest can come from various witnesses. It's actual proof of the aggressor's identity that is needed.



Only in your eyes, after you clearly seem to fail to graps anything

I mean are you denying chemical weapons have been used?

Who do you think made them in Syria?

Assad by any chance?

I'm denying any was used just like the hospital said no chemical weapons victims are being treated.
There are film crews there from all over the planet and they would all be at the hospital beaming pictures to us but nope no pictures.
Seems they agree with the hospital too.
I think it's called agreeing with reality.
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Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:53 pm

The missile attack was an embarrassment to the west.
Pretty much a failure due to the highly advanced Russian defence systems in place.
Less than half the missiles got to their targets or exploded.
Why?



Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges, the commander of the US Army in Europe, has described Russian advances in electronic warfare in Syria as “eye watering.” In 2015, as Russian involvement in Syria increased to military operational tempo, Lt. Gen. Edward Cardon stated that United States “was not making progress (in electronic warfare) at the pace the threat demands.” That same year, it became clear to the U.S. military that Russian investment in electronic warfare capabilities may have outpaced anything available in the West—Col. Jeffrey Church, the U.S. Army’s chief of electronic warfare, noted that Russian forces have entire companies, battalions, and brigades dedicated to the electronic warfare mission, deploying with specific equipment and warfare chains of command.

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Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:28 am

The defence system they're using is about to be replaced by more uptodate gear too.
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Re: Haley: No One Is Buying Russia’s Lies, Cover-Ups

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:02 am

First Western Journalist In Syrian Hospital Which Treated “Chemical Weapons” Victims Explains What REALLY Happened
Forget what the Syrian government or the Ruskies say.

The first Western journalist has interviewed doctors at the hospital in Douma, Syria which supposedly treated chemical weapons victims and is announcing what really happened.

In the following 1-minute clip, award-winning journalist Robert Fisk – writer for Britain’s Independent for almost 30 years – explains that the video of victims struggling to breathe are real, but that they have nothing to do with a chemical weapons attack:

Here’s a transcript:
I’ve just been in the town of Douma. I found the clinic where the film of the children frothing at the mouth and having water thrown at them was made.

And I spoke to the hospital doctor, who actually spoke very good English. And he told me that the video is real. But they’re not suffering from gas poisoning.

They’re suffering from hypoxia (i.e. insufficient of oxygen) because of the amount of dust in the tunnels in which they live. All year people in the Douma area have been living beneath their own homes, in tunnels and basements.

And that night there was a shelling by the Syrian army and the Russian air force. And it produced a huge amount of dust and debris in the streets. And many people found it difficult to breathe.

And when they reached the clinic according to the doctor, someone shouted “gas” … and they panicked.

Background.

Update: Fisk filed the following report with the Independent today:

This is the story of a town called Douma, a ravaged, stinking place of smash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.globalresearch.ca/first-wes ... ed/5636421
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