Germany Has a New Anti-Semitism Problem

[Didge]

A highly visible part of the immigrant community is failing to integrate.

Adam Armoush, a 21-year-old student who grew up in an Arab family in Israel, wore a kippa in Berlin as an experiment: Would he be attacked for it? The provocation worked almost immediately: A youngster ran at him on the street in one of the city's poshest areas, swinging a belt and shouting anti-Semitic abuse in Arabic.

Germany, whose history makes sure anti-Semitism can never be a mundane problem, has to face up to "imported anti-Semitism," arriving with a tide of Muslim immigrants. After years of sweeping it under the rug, the country must learn to treat it as an integration problem, not just something the police should worry about.

For years, the leaders of the German Jewish community have warned that wearing a kippa could be dangerous in Berlin, especially in areas with a large Muslim population. But German police statistics would make it look as though the issue doesn't exist. According to them, 522 anti-Semitic crimes were registered in Germany in 2017, 479 of them committed by "right-wing extremists" -- that is, neo-Nazis. Only 19 incidents were ascribed to "foreign ideology" or "religious ideology" -- tags that could apply to Jew-hatred as practiced in the Islamic world. But Ann-Christin Wegener wrote in a recent study for the state of Hessen's constitutional protection department that the police tended to attribute the crimes to right-wing extremists when they had no clue of the perpetrators' motivations. Besides, she wrote, "right-wing extremist symbols are banned in Germany, a criminal offense to which there is no Islamist equivalent, and crimes committed using the Arabic or Turkish language result in police attention less frequently." The Israeli in Berlin had the advantage of understanding exactly what his attacker was shouting.

Wegener analysed 7,000 social network comments under 38 media articles and videos about Jews, Israel and anti-Semitism posted to YouTube and Facebook. Of these, 600 turned out to be anti-Semitic, and the ones that could be attributed came in almost equal numbers from neo-Nazis and people of Arabic and Turkish background, with a smattering of the extreme left. The proportion started shifting toward Muslims after 2014, and the Muslim Jew-haters were especially active on the subject of Israel, while the neo-Nazis felt more compelled to comment on anti-Semitism and the Holocaust.

As David Ranan, an Israeli who has written a book on Muslim anti-Semitism in Germany, told the weekly Der Spiegel last month that for many of the Muslims he spoke to, "Jew" equaled "Israeli." They'd brought their home country attitudes to Germany or picked them up from peers of preachers here.

The German authorities or society haven't done much about this. To the left, Islamophobia has been a higher priority than anti-Semitism in recent years, and the center-right has been careful about raising the subject for fear of being branded Islamophobic. But in recent weeks, politicians have turned their attention to the Muslim variety of anti-Semitism. After two German rappers, Kollegah and Farid Bang, received the prestigious Echo music award earlier this month -- on Israel's Holocaust Remembrance Day, to boot -- they were sharply criticized for a song they'd co-authored. In it, Bang, whose real name is Farid El Abdellaoui and who is of Moroccan descent, raps, "My body is more defined than those of Auschwitz prisoners."

Commenting on the scandal, Foreign Minister Heiko Maas, a Social Democrat, tweeted, "Anti-Semitic provocations do not deserve any prize, they are just disgusting." To which Kollegah, whose real name is Felix Blume and who is a convert to Islam, replied with a reference to Maas's party's soft stance on immigration: "To what degree are you protecting Jewish life if you support the mass immigration of people you consider anti-Semitic?"

Both Kollegah and Farid Bang deny they're Jew-haters. But at least one of them comes from a culture in which it's fine to joke about Auschwitz, and the other adopted it as he grew up. Just as with the Christmas, 2015 mass attacks on women in Cologne, instigated by North African gangsters, this cultural difference has somehow survived and thrived in the German social climate.

Thousands of people, largely Muslims, demonstrated in Berlin earlier this year against U.S. recognition of Jerusalem as the Israeli capital. Israeli flags were burned, and anti-Jewish slogans were heard. Commenting on the protests, Jens Spahn, a leader of the right wing of Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian Democratic Union and now health minister, blamed the rising anti-Semitism on "immigration from a cultural space in which people aren't too careful with the sensitivities of Jews or gays."

The knee-jerk reaction to incidents like the one with the young Israeli is to demand a forceful response. "The Arab youths who react so wrathfully to kippas and Israeli flags have, as a rule, little to offer this country," Ulf Poschardt, editor of the respected daily Die Welt, wrote in an angry commentary. "Enough. Words must be followed by action." Merkel herself reacted to the Berlin incident by promising to move against anti-Semitism "with all the toughness and decisiveness" of which the German government is capable.

Without a doubt, harsh police action and commensurate punishment could deter some of the anti-Semitic displays and assaults. But if this is an imported cultural phenomenon born of the casual anti-Semitism and anti-Israel grudges held in the Middle East, it cannot be eradicated by police action -- just chased deeper under the surface. The real issue is that German schools, media and other institutions are not getting through to a highly visible part of the Muslim community.

It is a failure of integration, one that feeds symmetrical hatreds and demands for violent responses that will not solve the problem. Nor will Jewish caution. Few Jews are leaving Germany despite the evolving anti-Semitic threat -- far fewer than are giving up on life in Belgium, France or Italy for similar reasons. If we're sticking around, publicly acting proud of our tradition and religion -- and, yes, wearing those kippas -- carries risks. Yet it's one of the best ways to help get Germany's integration experiment back on track.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... sm-problem

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Do British people integrate in foreign lands?

You need to see a shrink about your Jewish obsessions or see a Rabbi about converting.

[Didge]

Do British people integrate in foreign lands?

You need to see a shrink about your Jewish obsessions or see a Rabbi about converting.

Eh?

What has British people integrating or not in other lands, have to do with the fact there is a problem here?

Can you show me that a minority is suffering at the hands of British immigrants in another country?
If you can, then that would be a problem that needs addressing.
It would not be then a case to deflect from the growing problem of antisemitism in Gemany.

My parents were immigrants to this country, so please spare me that crap

[Cannydc]

Do British people integrate in foreign lands?

You need to see a shrink about your Jewish obsessions or see a Rabbi about converting.

obsess

verb

preoccupy or fill the mind of (someone) continually and to a troubling extent.

synonyms: preoccupy, be uppermost in someone's mind, prey on someone's mind, prey on, possess, haunt, consume, plague, torment, hound, bedevil, take control of, take over, become an obsession with, have a hold on, engross, eat up, have a grip on, grip, dominate, rule, control, beset, monopolize More
be constantly talking or worrying about something.

Seems a cut and dried case.

Lock up the loon before someone gets hurt.

[Didge]

Do British people integrate in foreign lands?

You need to see a shrink about your Jewish obsessions or see a Rabbi about converting.

obsess

verb

preoccupy or fill the mind of (someone) continually and to a troubling extent.

synonyms: preoccupy, be uppermost in someone's mind, prey on someone's mind, prey on, possess, haunt, consume, plague, torment, hound, bedevil, take control of, take over, become an obsession with, have a hold on, engross, eat up, have a grip on, grip, dominate, rule, control, beset, monopolize More
be constantly talking or worrying about something.

Seems a cut and dried case.

Lock up the loon before someone gets hurt.

Another fine example of whitewashing antisemitism

You cannot make it up how desperate the left are.

They also think Jews are only religious and not an ethnic group, that if I care about tackling a problem, that I should then stop being an athiest and convert to Judaism

Imagine that same poster saying that to a non-Muslim concerned about hate against Muslims?

Not sure what a person classed white needs to convert to, if they care about racism against those classed black and Asian for example?

Maybe the left can enlighten us on that?

Would he tell them to convert to Islam

So how have I taken over and control with this forum?

You see how the left are desperate to lie, so they can deligitimize people

Its the only ammunition they have and it always crashes and burns lol

[Cannydc]

This bears repeating.

Fuck off, Viper - you are a boring arse at the best of times, but since your ban you have excelled yourself.

Try a sanatorium.

[Didge]

This bears repeating.

Fuck off, Viper - you are a boring arse at the best of times, but since your ban you have excelled yourself.

Try a sanatorium.

Lol, calm down wetwipe.

Listen, your potty mouth and abuse is not going to make me stop doing anything

You are no more than a jumped up wimp behind your PC

If you cannot debate, as you have a poor intellect, that is your issue

Try learning not to be so hateful, as all you do is prove the growing problem with the hard left today.

How they are so hateful

[Cannydc]

This bears repeating.

Fuck off, Viper - you are a boring arse at the best of times, but since your ban you have excelled yourself.

Try a sanatorium.

Lol, calm down wetwipe.

Listen, your potty mouth and abuse is not going to make me stop doing anything

You are no more than a jumped up wimp behind your PC

If you cannot debate, as you have a poor intellect, that is your issue

Try learning not to be so hateful, as all you do is prove the growing problem with the hard left today.

How they are so hateful

Yadda yadda yadda.

Viper......."Look at me... Look at me....NOW"

[Didge]

This bears repeating.

Fuck off, Viper - you are a boring arse at the best of times, but since your ban you have excelled yourself.

Try a sanatorium.

Lol, calm down wetwipe.

Listen, your potty mouth and abuse is not going to make me stop doing anything

You are no more than a jumped up wimp behind your PC

If you cannot debate, as you have a poor intellect, that is your issue

Try learning not to be so hateful, as all you do is prove the growing problem with the hard left today.

How they are so hateful

Yadda yadda yadda.

Viper......."Look at me... Look at me....NOW"

lol, I see you have gone into Veruca Salt Meltdown mode

Ha ha ha

[Cannydc]

You really don't realise how completely childish and utterly ridiculous you sound, do you ?

Seriously my friend - seek professional help.

They deal with OCD on a daily basis.

And in case you think you don't have it -

Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD) is a common, chronic and long-lasting disorder in which a person has uncontrollable, reoccurring thoughts (obsessions) and behaviors (compulsions) that he or she feels the urge to repeat over and over.

[Didge]

A highly visible part of the immigrant community is failing to integrate.

Adam Armoush, a 21-year-old student who grew up in an Arab family in Israel, wore a kippa in Berlin as an experiment: Would he be attacked for it? The provocation worked almost immediately: A youngster ran at him on the street in one of the city's poshest areas, swinging a belt and shouting anti-Semitic abuse in Arabic.

Germany, whose history makes sure anti-Semitism can never be a mundane problem, has to face up to "imported anti-Semitism," arriving with a tide of Muslim immigrants. After years of sweeping it under the rug, the country must learn to treat it as an integration problem, not just something the police should worry about.

For years, the leaders of the German Jewish community have warned that wearing a kippa could be dangerous in Berlin, especially in areas with a large Muslim population. But German police statistics would make it look as though the issue doesn't exist. According to them, 522 anti-Semitic crimes were registered in Germany in 2017, 479 of them committed by "right-wing extremists" -- that is, neo-Nazis. Only 19 incidents were ascribed to "foreign ideology" or "religious ideology" -- tags that could apply to Jew-hatred as practiced in the Islamic world. But Ann-Christin Wegener wrote in a recent study for the state of Hessen's constitutional protection department that the police tended to attribute the crimes to right-wing extremists when they had no clue of the perpetrators' motivations. Besides, she wrote, "right-wing extremist symbols are banned in Germany, a criminal offense to which there is no Islamist equivalent, and crimes committed using the Arabic or Turkish language result in police attention less frequently." The Israeli in Berlin had the advantage of understanding exactly what his attacker was shouting.

Wegener analysed 7,000 social network comments under 38 media articles and videos about Jews, Israel and anti-Semitism posted to YouTube and Facebook. Of these, 600 turned out to be anti-Semitic, and the ones that could be attributed came in almost equal numbers from neo-Nazis and people of Arabic and Turkish background, with a smattering of the extreme left. The proportion started shifting toward Muslims after 2014, and the Muslim Jew-haters were especially active on the subject of Israel, while the neo-Nazis felt more compelled to comment on anti-Semitism and the Holocaust.

As David Ranan, an Israeli who has written a book on Muslim anti-Semitism in Germany, told the weekly Der Spiegel last month that for many of the Muslims he spoke to, "Jew" equaled "Israeli." They'd brought their home country attitudes to Germany or picked them up from peers of preachers here.

The German authorities or society haven't done much about this. To the left, Islamophobia has been a higher priority than anti-Semitism in recent years, and the center-right has been careful about raising the subject for fear of being branded Islamophobic. But in recent weeks, politicians have turned their attention to the Muslim variety of anti-Semitism. After two German rappers, Kollegah and Farid Bang, received the prestigious Echo music award earlier this month -- on Israel's Holocaust Remembrance Day, to boot -- they were sharply criticized for a song they'd co-authored. In it, Bang, whose real name is Farid El Abdellaoui and who is of Moroccan descent, raps, "My body is more defined than those of Auschwitz prisoners."

Commenting on the scandal, Foreign Minister Heiko Maas, a Social Democrat, tweeted, "Anti-Semitic provocations do not deserve any prize, they are just disgusting." To which Kollegah, whose real name is Felix Blume and who is a convert to Islam, replied with a reference to Maas's party's soft stance on immigration: "To what degree are you protecting Jewish life if you support the mass immigration of people you consider anti-Semitic?"

Both Kollegah and Farid Bang deny they're Jew-haters. But at least one of them comes from a culture in which it's fine to joke about Auschwitz, and the other adopted it as he grew up. Just as with the Christmas, 2015 mass attacks on women in Cologne, instigated by North African gangsters, this cultural difference has somehow survived and thrived in the German social climate.

Thousands of people, largely Muslims, demonstrated in Berlin earlier this year against U.S. recognition of Jerusalem as the Israeli capital. Israeli flags were burned, and anti-Jewish slogans were heard. Commenting on the protests, Jens Spahn, a leader of the right wing of Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian Democratic Union and now health minister, blamed the rising anti-Semitism on "immigration from a cultural space in which people aren't too careful with the sensitivities of Jews or gays."

The knee-jerk reaction to incidents like the one with the young Israeli is to demand a forceful response. "The Arab youths who react so wrathfully to kippas and Israeli flags have, as a rule, little to offer this country," Ulf Poschardt, editor of the respected daily Die Welt, wrote in an angry commentary. "Enough. Words must be followed by action." Merkel herself reacted to the Berlin incident by promising to move against anti-Semitism "with all the toughness and decisiveness" of which the German government is capable.

Without a doubt, harsh police action and commensurate punishment could deter some of the anti-Semitic displays and assaults. But if this is an imported cultural phenomenon born of the casual anti-Semitism and anti-Israel grudges held in the Middle East, it cannot be eradicated by police action -- just chased deeper under the surface. The real issue is that German schools, media and other institutions are not getting through to a highly visible part of the Muslim community.

It is a failure of integration, one that feeds symmetrical hatreds and demands for violent responses that will not solve the problem. Nor will Jewish caution. Few Jews are leaving Germany despite the evolving anti-Semitic threat -- far fewer than are giving up on life in Belgium, France or Italy for similar reasons. If we're sticking around, publicly acting proud of our tradition and religion -- and, yes, wearing those kippas -- carries risks. Yet it's one of the best ways to help get Germany's integration experiment back on track.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... sm-problem

Bumped to get the thread back on track

[Stooo]

You won, get over it...

[Didge]

You won, get over it...

I am trying to have debate on this forum Stooo and yet everytime I post something that the hard left do not like.

They look to shut down any discussion

So maybe you should start looking at that, as I am here to debate.

[Stooo]

You won, get over it...

I am trying to have debate on this forum Stooo and yet everytime I post something that the hard left do not like.

They look to shut down any discussion

So maybe you should start looking at that, as I am here to debate.

We don't have any hard left on here.

[Didge]

You won, get over it...

I am trying to have debate on this forum Stooo and yet everytime I post something that the hard left do not like.

They look to shut down any discussion

So maybe you should start looking at that, as I am here to debate.

We don't have any hard left on here.

I would beg to differ, but the point is. How many times do some on the left here and I am sure there is those on the right, continually look to shut down a debate or discussion?

Take the first point made in reply?

Did it have any relevance?

Do I need to convert to Judaism, in order to be concerned about antisemitism?

Does British immigration in other countries, whether they integrate or not have any bearing on the growing antisemitism problem in Germany?

You tell me?

Then this is followed by Cannydc doing all he can, to shut down any debate on this and failing.

I mean did he post anything on the actual topic?