Stephen Lawrence Day.

[Trapper John]

It was meant to be pink.
It’s intriguing though why you are so keen to say it wasn’t a racist attack.
What do you know that the evidence doesn’t?

I know that the only 'evidence' is the fact that the victim was black and the murderers were white - that isn't evidence of a racist murder anymore than a shark killing a seal is.

[Lady Murasaki]

It was meant to be pink.
It’s intriguing though why you are so keen to say it wasn’t a racist attack.
What do you know that the evidence doesn’t?

I know that the only 'evidence' is the fact that the victim was black and the murderers were white - that isn't evidence of a racist murder anymore than a shark killing a seal is.

You don’t believe the friend who was there?

"They ran across the road shouting `What nigger ?'," recalls Mr Brooks.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_repo ... /65060.stm

[Trapper John]

It was meant to be pink.
It’s intriguing though why you are so keen to say it wasn’t a racist attack.
What do you know that the evidence doesn’t?

I know that the only 'evidence' is the fact that the victim was black and the murderers were white - that isn't evidence of a racist murder anymore than a shark killing a seal is.

You don’t believe the friend who was there?

"They ran across the road shouting `What nigger ?'," recalls Mr Brooks.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_repo ... /65060.stm

Always supposing you believe his account or that his recollections are correct calling someone a 'nigger' isn't proof you are murdering someone just because of the colour of their skin, no more than someone who stabs and kills a ginger bloke after calling him a ginger cunt, is proof that he murdered him solely for the fact he was ginger.

I'm never surprised that when certain groups want to, they choose the easiest, simplest and most popular lynch mob stance to claim something happened when it suits their agenda.

Stephen Lawrence was the victim of a heinous street crime, just as more and more kids are being today, it suited and still suits many groups to call it a racist murder for varying reasons, the biggest of which is to perpetuate the myth that every white person who doesn't share their particular beliefs is a racist.

[Guest]

It was meant to be pink.
It’s intriguing though why you are so keen to say it wasn’t a racist attack.
What do you know that the evidence doesn’t?

I know that the only 'evidence' is the fact that the victim was black and the murderers were white - that isn't evidence of a racist murder anymore than a shark killing a seal is.

You don’t believe the friend who was there?

"They ran across the road shouting `What nigger ?'," recalls Mr Brooks.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_repo ... /65060.stm

Always supposing you believe his account or that his recollections are correct calling someone a 'nigger' isn't proof you are murdering someone just because of the colour of their skin, no more than someone who stabs and kills a ginger bloke after calling him a ginger cunt, is proof that he murdered him solely for the fact he was ginger.

I'm never surprised that when certain groups want to, they choose the easiest, simplest and most popular lynch mob stance to claim something happened when it suits their agenda.

Stephen Lawrence was the victim of a heinous street crime, just as more and more kids are being today, it suited and still suits many groups to call it a racist murder for varying reasons, the biggest of which is to perpetuate the myth that every white person who doesn't share their particular beliefs is a racist.

The gang were secretly filmed making racist comments.

[Trapper John]

I'm not denying there are some people who don't like blacks but I do deny that they don't like blacks solely because they are a different colour to them, neither do I accept that anyone would kill another human being based solely on the colour of their skin, if they did then they would truly deserve to be called racist.

Calling someone a nigger isn't pleasant, it's a derisory term because of it's so called connotations, some of which have been manufactured by interested parties over the years. It isn't proof someone is racist anymore than calling someone a ginger cunt or a fucking fat bastard is 'gingerist' or 'fattist' and none of which would prove that killing someone from those groups makes you the latter.

[Trapper John]

It was meant to be pink.
It’s intriguing though why you are so keen to say it wasn’t a racist attack.
What do you know that the evidence doesn’t?

I know that the only 'evidence' is the fact that the victim was black and the murderers were white - that isn't evidence of a racist murder anymore than a shark killing a seal is.

You don’t believe the friend who was there?

"They ran across the road shouting `What nigger ?'," recalls Mr Brooks.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_repo ... /65060.stm

Always supposing you believe his account or that his recollections are correct calling someone a 'nigger' isn't proof you are murdering someone just because of the colour of their skin, no more than someone who stabs and kills a ginger bloke after calling him a ginger cunt, is proof that he murdered him solely for the fact he was ginger.

I'm never surprised that when certain groups want to, they choose the easiest, simplest and most popular lynch mob stance to claim something happened when it suits their agenda.

Stephen Lawrence was the victim of a heinous street crime, just as more and more kids are being today, it suited and still suits many groups to call it a racist murder for varying reasons, the biggest of which is to perpetuate the myth that every white person who doesn't share their particular beliefs is a racist.

The gang were secretly filmed making racist comments.

yes yes yes

[Trapper John]

Of course a group of 15-17 year old kids showing off to each other with acts of bravado and making unpleasant racist comments in privacy where they never for one minute expected their antics to be aired in public, is absolute proof they are racist murderers.

Yet a group of adult Asians screaming on the street that they will out-breed you whites and you'll all be muslims soon, is just high jinks and banter and definitely not to be taken seriously because they really don't mean it.

[Dean]

Of course a group of 15-17 year old kids showing off to each other with acts of bravado and making unpleasant racist comments in privacy where they never for one minute expected their antics to be aired in public, is absolute proof they are racist murderers.

Yet a group of adult Asians screaming on the street that they will out-breed you whites and you'll all be muslims soon, is just high jinks and banter and definitely not to be taken seriously because they really don't mean it.

Any normal person would think both examples are harmful and racist...

[Trapper John]

Of course a group of 15-17 year old kids showing off to each other with acts of bravado and making unpleasant racist comments in privacy where they never for one minute expected their antics to be aired in public, is absolute proof they are racist murderers.

Yet a group of adult Asians screaming on the street that they will out-breed you whites and you'll all be muslims soon, is just high jinks and banter and definitely not to be taken seriously because they really don't mean it.

Any normal person would think both examples are harmful and racist...

Yes but only one is used as an example of murderous racism the other is totally ignored because it doesn't suit certain types agendas.

[Guest]

Of course a group of 15-17 year old kids showing off to each other with acts of bravado and making unpleasant racist comments in privacy where they never for one minute expected their antics to be aired in public, is absolute proof they are racist murderers.

Yet a group of adult Asians screaming on the street that they will out-breed you whites and you'll all be muslims soon, is just high jinks and banter and definitely not to be taken seriously because they really don't mean it.

Any normal person would think both examples are harmful and racist...

Yes but only one is used as an example of murderous racism the other is totally ignored because it doesn't suit certain types agendas.

TJ

Bang on the money.

[Guest]

Of course a group of 15-17 year old kids showing off to each other with acts of bravado and making unpleasant racist comments in privacy where they never for one minute expected their antics to be aired in public, is absolute proof they are racist murderers.

Yet a group of adult Asians screaming on the street that they will out-breed you whites and you'll all be muslims soon, is just high jinks and banter and definitely not to be taken seriously because they really don't mean it.

Any normal person would think both examples are harmful and racist...

Yes but only one is used as an example of murderous racism the other is totally ignored because it doesn't suit certain types agendas.

Who was killed in the second instance?

[Trapper John]

Of course a group of 15-17 year old kids showing off to each other with acts of bravado and making unpleasant racist comments in privacy where they never for one minute expected their antics to be aired in public, is absolute proof they are racist murderers.

Yet a group of adult Asians screaming on the street that they will out-breed you whites and you'll all be muslims soon, is just high jinks and banter and definitely not to be taken seriously because they really don't mean it.

Any normal person would think both examples are harmful and racist...

Yes but only one is used as an example of murderous racism the other is totally ignored because it doesn't suit certain types agendas.

Who was killed in the second instance?

The simple answer to that is we don't know, I doubt the hue and cry which followed that second incident was enough to warrant police investigating any deaths in the days after, which in itself could be construed as institutionalised racism.

[Avon Barksdale]

Stephen Lawrence was the victim of a heinous street crime

Which specific street crime and what evidence / facts are you relying on to come to conclusion that crime is more likely to have been the case than a racially motivated attack?

[Trapper John]

Stephen Lawrence was the victim of a heinous street crime

Which specific street crime and what evidence / facts are you relying on to come to conclusion that crime is more likely to have been the case than a racially motivated attack?

The fact that he was the victim of a heinous street crime being the only indisputable fact, for the reasons I've already explained.

[Avon Barksdale]

Stephen Lawrence was the victim of a heinous street crime

Which specific street crime and what evidence / facts are you relying on to come to conclusion that crime is more likely to have been the case than a racially motivated attack?

The fact that he was the victim of a heinous street crime being the only indisputable fact, for the reasons I've already explained.

So, you're not making the case it definitely wasn't a racially motivated attack but there maybe another explanation while not putting any weight on the surveillance and witness evidence or the previous conduct of the perpetrators and offering no other actual evidence to back up your alternative theory other than supposition?

I'm not convinced.