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FAO cannydc

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:26 pm

Re: Racism epidemic in the Tory party
Postby Didge » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:47 pm

Sorry, missed the first 9 on the link

Will do a quick list of them

1) David Cameron, not racist, just stupid

2) A view made by Andrew lansley, which is an opinion

3) Boris again, this time racist, should have been sacked.

4) Is alleged

5) Boris again, very racist, again should have gone

6) Bob Allen, racist, should be sacked.

7) Robert Fraser, racist again should have been sacked

8) David Wilshire, not antisemitic but very insensitive to the Jewish victims of the Holocaust
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9) Peter Hobbins, racist and was suspended


So all in all, that is 20 people being either racist, sexist, xenophobic/Islamophobic, antisemitic since 2002

Since Corbyn has come to power, 300 cases of anti-Semitism referred within Labour since 2015. Where 150 have been expelled or resigned from the party.
Where another 74 cases are still pending

So whilst I agree that the Conservatives have a problem with racism, xenophobia, Islamophobia, sexism etc. Which needs to be dealt with properly. It pails into comparrison to the number of antisemitism cases within Labour in the last 3 years.


Lists did you say ....... :dunno:
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Re: FAO cannydc

Postby Cannydc » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:10 pm

An investigation has found that some of the most prominent stories about anti-Semitism in the party are falsified.

It was reveal that a key player in Labour’s “anti-Semitism crisis” covered up his involvement in the Israel lobby.

Most Labour members so accused are in reality being attacked for expressing opinions in favor of Palestinian human rights and particularly for supporting the boycott of Israel.

Labour activists, many of them Jews, have stated that false accusations of anti-Semitism are being used as a weapon against Corbyn by the party’s right-wing.

Corbyn has been active in the Palestine solidarity movement for more than three decades. In an interview with The Electronic Intifada last year, he endorsed key elements of the Palestinian call for a boycott of Israel. For example, he urged an end to weapons trading with Israel.

His election represented a radical shift in Labour, a popular revolt at the grassroots membership level.

Although Labour’s membership has grown since Corbyn’s victory, he has been under constant attack from right-leaning politicians within the party. In an attempt to weaken his position, some of his critics have manufactured a “crisis” about alleged anti-Semitism.

Attacks on Corbyn have escalated in the lead-up to next week’s local elections. And the Labour right really want him to fail...

Charley Allan, a Jewish member of the party, and a Morning Star columnist, has described the current atmosphere in the press and Labour Party as a “witch hunt.”

It has reached such an absurd volume that any usage of the word “Zionist” is deemed to be anti-Semitic – although tellingly not when used by self-described Zionists.

Where real instances of anti-Jewish bigotry have come to light, the leadership and party machine have taken robust action.

According to The Spectator, the party’s general secretary Iain McNicol told a recent meeting of Labour lawmakers that everyone who had been reported for anti-Semitism had either been suspended or excluded.


It seems patently obvious to me that the bar is set very low indeed in the Labour party regarding accepting that anti-Semitism has taken place. And it also appears that once the 'crime' is proven, it is dealt with severely.

I would politely query as to whether the same rules and punishment occur in the Tory party.
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Re: FAO cannydc

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:28 pm

I saw your comment the other day maybe even yesterday?
Then the twat writes a list .... over in the arms I found it.
Had to show it to you.
Forgot to add a link maybe Didge will provide it because I can't remember which thread it was in and can't be arsed looking.
Is this big long reply of yours in the right place?
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Re: FAO cannydc

Postby Big Fat Frosty » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:38 pm

exactly where did the millions spent in the planning of the boris bridge go...
that is what i would like to know
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Re: FAO cannydc

Postby Cannydc » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:38 pm

I wasn't really sure you had posted it !!! (sorry, lol)

Dodge actually posted two lists. The funny thing was, in the first list he defended Bojo as not racist. He then realised he had missed the first 9 on the list. Bojo featured twice and this time Dodge had to admit he really was a racist twat. Oooops.
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Re: FAO cannydc

Postby Didge » Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:17 am

Cannydc wrote:An investigation has found that some of the most prominent stories about anti-Semitism in the party are falsified.

It was reveal that a key player in Labour’s “anti-Semitism crisis” covered up his involvement in the Israel lobby.

Most Labour members so accused are in reality being attacked for expressing opinions in favor of Palestinian human rights and particularly for supporting the boycott of Israel.

Labour activists, many of them Jews, have stated that false accusations of anti-Semitism are being used as a weapon against Corbyn by the party’s right-wing.

Corbyn has been active in the Palestine solidarity movement for more than three decades. In an interview with The Electronic Intifada last year, he endorsed key elements of the Palestinian call for a boycott of Israel. For example, he urged an end to weapons trading with Israel.

His election represented a radical shift in Labour, a popular revolt at the grassroots membership level.

Although Labour’s membership has grown since Corbyn’s victory, he has been under constant attack from right-leaning politicians within the party. In an attempt to weaken his position, some of his critics have manufactured a “crisis” about alleged anti-Semitism.

Attacks on Corbyn have escalated in the lead-up to next week’s local elections. And the Labour right really want him to fail...

Charley Allan, a Jewish member of the party, and a Morning Star columnist, has described the current atmosphere in the press and Labour Party as a “witch hunt.”

It has reached such an absurd volume that any usage of the word “Zionist” is deemed to be anti-Semitic – although tellingly not when used by self-described Zionists.

Where real instances of anti-Jewish bigotry have come to light, the leadership and party machine have taken robust action.

According to The Spectator, the party’s general secretary Iain McNicol told a recent meeting of Labour lawmakers that everyone who had been reported for anti-Semitism had either been suspended or excluded.


It seems patently obvious to me that the bar is set very low indeed in the Labour party regarding accepting that anti-Semitism has taken place. And it also appears that once the 'crime' is proven, it is dealt with severely.

I would politely query as to whether the same rules and punishment occur in the Tory party.


Labour can't talk with credibility about racism until we tackle the antisemitism in our ranks

We can’t attack the racism that may lie behind the Tories’ mistreatment of the Windrush generation when we don’t get our own house in order on hate

“The failure of the Labour Party to deal consistently and effectively with antisemitic incidents in recent years risks lending force to allegations that elements of the Labour movement are institutionally antisemitic.” That was one of the principal findings of the House of Commons Home Affairs Select Committee in the 2015-2017 parliament, of which I was a member. We made this finding in our report on antisemitism in the UK following a lengthy inquiry into the subject, which we published in October 2016.

It did not make for pleasant reading. Our report painted a picture of rising antisemitism in the UK over the last few years. There had been a 29 per cent increase in police-recorded antisemitic hate crime in England, Wales and Northern Ireland between 2010 and 2015, compared with a 9 per cent increase across all the hate crime categories.

Unfortunately, the picture has got worse, not better, since then, with figures from the Community Security Trust showing antisemitic incidents hitting a record high last year.

When talking about antisemitism, it is important to define the term. Broadly speaking, we adopted and endorsed the definition used by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, though the committee proposed an additional clarification to ensure that freedom of speech is maintained in the context of discourse about Israel and Palestine, without allowing antisemitism to permeate any debate. What this definition makes clear is that antisemitism is a particular, distinct form of prejudice.

But it is also clearly a form of racism too. My father arrived in this country in 1964. In the general election that year, Britain saw the Conservative Party wage one of the most racist parliamentary elections ever seen in the West Midlands constituency of Smethwick, which included the use of a slogan I slightly adapt as I don’t want to repeat the full extent of its ghastliness here: “If you want a negro for a neighbour, vote Labour.”

One of the reasons my late father, a black man, always supported the Labour Party was because we historically have always been anti-hate and anti-racist, something which the Tories sought to use against us in Smethwick.

It was impossible for our select committee to do our inquiry in 2016 properly without looking at antisemitism in politics. Our report stated unequivocally that all of the main political parties have had various controversies and problems with antisemitism over the years. We questioned all the main parties in detail and took evidence – in public and private – as well. However, I am a Labour Party member. I joined the party, at least in part, because of its history of fighting racism and, while I don’t want to see any hatred or prejudice anywhere, I feel a particular responsibility to act where I see it in my own party.

So, when I questioned the witnesses we heard from in that inquiry – witnesses who included Jeremy Corbyn and the former Mayor of London Ken Livingstone – I was robust. I acted without fear or favour. I treated cross-examination with the seriousness and focus demanded by the issue, and would not let tribalism get in the way of doing so.

One member of Labour’s shadow cabinet at the time – he is still a member of it – told me he thought my questioning was inappropriate because, as a Labour MP, I should not publicly challenge the leader on anything. What he and many others fail to realise is that the issue of antisemitism and racism is not actually about Jeremy Corbyn (although his handling of it is obviously flawed). He is not the victim here – and the issue is far bigger than one party leader.

Our report found there is endemic antisemitism in parts of the Labour Party, and some of the evidence we heard was shocking. Despite that, some continue to deny that it was and remains a problem. One supporter of my party posted on my Facebook page commented saying our report was “utter rubbish” and said it was “a disgrace it was signed by a Red Tory and a Jew.” He was referring to me and David Winnick, the other Labour MP who was a co-author of the report and is Jewish.

Many who took exception to the report ended up proving their own antisemitism, somewhat ironically. A Labour Party supporter posted in response to my questioning of Ken Livingstone that “Chuka is well and truly in the pockets of ‘The Lobby’.” For the avoidance of doubt, he was not referring to the so-called lobby of Westminster journalists.

Another said on Twitter that we were “a bunch of embittered Zionists who are intent on smearing” Jeremy Corbyn. This accusation of smearing the leader has shamefully been parroted since by some members of the Parliamentary Labour Party.

Most disappointingly, in his response to the report, not only did our leader make basic factual inaccuracies about its contents but he seemed incapable of acknowledging the Labour movement has a particular problem with antisemitism. He even went so far as to insinuate that we were using the issue as a “weapon” (his words, not mine) for political purposes.

Coming from a family which has had direct experience of racism, I found this to be grossly insulting and offensive – I made my feelings clear about this at the meeting of the Parliamentary Labour Party which followed publication of the report.

It is therefore unsurprising that antisemitism has continued unabated in and around the Labour Party since 2016. Just this month, Peter Kirker – who is a member of the Campaign for Labour Party Democracy executive and has been a party officer in London and the Midlands – wrote in the Morning Star under the headline “Enough already with this Zionist frenzy”, in a piece which stated that “the noise around anti-Jewish racism has been engineered from within the murky right-wing world of British Zionism.”

The online abuse I quote above is, of course, nothing compared to the abuse meted out to Jewish Labour Members of Parliament and activists. My friends Luciana Berger, the MP for Liverpool Wavertree, and Ruth Smeeth, the MP for Stoke-on-Trent North, and others described in vivid detail the true awfulness of what they have been subject to last week. They have to live with this every day.

Sadly, even when there is an admission that antisemitism is a problem, too often it is followed by an avalanche of “whataboutery” by people in the party: But what about the Tories? But what about Gaza? But what about the bias of the mainstream media? Of course these are important issues. But the question on this issue is: if antisemitism exists in the Labour Party, which it clearly does, then what is the party going to do about it?

The constitution of the Labour Party says the Labour Party is a “democratic socialist party” and we seek to create, amongst other things, a community where “we live together, freely, in a spirit of solidarity, tolerance and respect”. It also says that we seek to create a society which “delivers people from the tyranny of prejudice”. As Martin Luther King said 50 years ago this month to America: “Be true to what you said on paper.” The Labour Party has lost its moral compass on the issue of antisemitism, and needs to reflect on the values it was founded upon.

It’s time to clear the large backlog of antisemitism cases in the party, rather than just sitting on them. It’s time to rebuild relations with the Jewish community, who understandably do not feel that Labour is a safe place for them. And it’s time to stop merging criticisms of the policies of Israel or capitalism with a commentary on Jewish people – something which happens time and time again in the party. How can we criticise the Conservative Party for running a racist, Islamophobic and prejudiced London Mayoral campaign in 2016, call them to book for delivering clearly racist leaflets last month in local elections Havering, or suggest racism lies behind the Tories’ mistreatment of the Windrush generation when we don’t get our own house in order?

Nothing currently illustrates just how broken British politics has become than the issue of antisemitism in Labour and the Tories’ appalling treatment of the Windrush generation – each of the main parties attacks the other on the issue, but both lack the credibility to do so in the eyes of many because of their party’s record on addressing prejudice within their own ranks.

A Jewish member of my constituency party – one of our most dedicated and active – emailed me a few weeks ago. She wrote: “What’s a dedicated Labour member such as myself supposed to do now? How many more incidents such as this should I take on the chin and stay in the party? How, when time and time again people I’ve supported and congratulated for winning elections turn out to hold antisemitic views, could I ever campaign and support anyone in the party, outside my immediate circle?

“Why should any Jewish person vote Labour?”

This is an instruction to act. We must do so.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/la ... 18436.html
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Re: FAO cannydc

Postby Didge » Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:20 am

Cannydc wrote:I wasn't really sure you had posted it !!! (sorry, lol)

Dodge actually posted two lists. The funny thing was, in the first list he defended Bojo as not racist. He then realised he had missed the first 9 on the list. Bojo featured twice and this time Dodge had to admit he really was a racist twat. Oooops.


I see you cannot comprehend English, I said one view he made was not racist

Do you understand the difference?

I see I have you continually wound up lol

At least I admit there are some problems with racism within the Tories

You though post of the views from the "Morning Star" A communist rag, that attempts to whitewash antisemitism

What I am seeing on this forum, is that its a hotbed of regressive hard lefties, who cannot take criticism and act like 2 year olds spouting hate

Makes for the best entertainment

It further proves that Labour has sadly been infested with some off the worst socialist extremists going and in the end they will destroy Labour as a Party.

Have a nice day buttercup
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Re: FAO cannydc

Postby Cannydc » Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:30 am

Sadly, Rollup, this twat appears to be infesting every thread.

Make sensible comments and we become 'a hotbed of regressive hard lefties, who cannot take criticism ', and in his patently over-anxious state he posts ever-longer diatribes which nobody bothers to read.

With that in mind, the IGNORE button has just been activated.

I am more than happy to hold sensible conversations with anyone on this board. I draw the line at the borderline insane.
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Re: FAO cannydc

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:09 pm

He's certainly very excitable.
Hyper.
Manic even.
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Postby Cannydc » Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:12 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:He's certainly very excitable.
Hyper.
Manic even.


Anxious to the point of hypertension.

And the clearest case of OCD I have ever encountered...

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Re: FAO cannydc

Postby Big Fat Frosty » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:05 pm

Cannydc wrote:It was reveal that a key player in Labour’s “anti-Semitism crisis” covered up his involvement in the Israel lobby.
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so this is the real viper then
alex chalmers
no wonder the cunt always sounds like a schoolboy
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Re: FAO cannydc

Postby Dimples » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:12 pm

Would this be an appropriate time to point out that the words "endemic" and "epidemic" are not interchangeable...? :NAA:
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Re: FAO cannydc

Postby Cannydc » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:21 pm

Big Fat Frosty wrote:
Cannydc wrote:It was reveal that a key player in Labour’s “anti-Semitism crisis” covered up his involvement in the Israel lobby.
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so this is the real viper then
alex chalmers
no wonder the cunt always sounds like a schoolboy
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Can you imagine Viper being an Oxford student ?



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Re: FAO cannydc

Postby Didge » Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:47 pm

So one regressive runs away after being weighed, measured and left found wanting, by placing me on ignore and then continues to talk about me

Ha ha ha ha

You cannot make it up how stupid these regressives are. They clearly think they are in a school playground.

So everytime a regessive hides from debate, and then continue to spout hate. You know they are definately a gutless coward and an extremist.

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Re: FAO cannydc

Postby Cannydc » Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:57 pm

I wonder if that post was about me....

(I don't really - I'm Didge / Viper free and happy about it)
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