War talk over Iran.

Re: War talk over Iran.

Postby Guest » Tue May 08, 2018 11:40 pm

Iran, obama and all those involved in the deal were warned from the beginning by members of the US Senate that obama did not have the authority to enter a treaty on his own and therefore the deal was not a treaty and was subject to exactly what has happened today. It was never ratified by the US Senate. How convenient to ignore that fact now.
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Re: War talk over Iran.

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Tue May 08, 2018 11:44 pm

Guest wrote:Iran, obama and all those involved in the deal were warned from the beginning by members of the US Senate that obama did not have the authority to enter a treaty on his own and therefore the deal was not a treaty and was subject to exactly what has happened today. It was never ratified by the US Senate. How convenient to ignore that fact now.

Did anyone tell the British French Germans Russians and Iranians that?
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Re: War talk over Iran.

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Wed May 09, 2018 12:40 am

US foes used the decision to portray the US as an international outlier, underscoring that the US, not Iran, is now technically in violation of the deal.

.... senior Trump administration officials -- including Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and the Director of National Intelligence Daniel Coats -- have said Iran is adhering to its commitments under the deal.

New US sanctions will undoubtedly cause companies to reconsider investments in Iran and European firms may have no choice but to scale back or risk running foul of US rules.
Questions surrounding the announcement also highlighted a seeming lack of strategic planning by the Trump administration.
US officials admit that during negotiations with European officials about a side deal to address Trump's concerns about missiles and Iran's regional activities, they did not discuss what they would do if the US walked away from the deal.
That official said the US is prepared to sanction Europeans with the end goal of creating a "global coalition" to work toward a comprehensive agreement that addresses all US concerns about Iran using the leverage of economic isolation.
It's a plan that has former officials scratching their heads.
"It's very difficult to see how we get a better deal given that Iran would have no reason to go back to the negotiating table and no reason to trust us," said Andrew Keller, a former deputy assistant secretary of state for sanctions and counter threat finance.
"Even if we were to get the Europeans to agree to something, what is the administration's plan to get the Russians on board, the Chinese on board, not to mention the Iranians," Keller said. "And if there's not a plan for a new and better deal, how can we possibly be safer outside of this on

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/08/poli ... index.html
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Re: War talk over Iran.

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Wed May 09, 2018 1:31 am

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Rolluplostinspace wrote:Trump pulls out of Nuclear deal.
How will anyone be able to sign such deals with America who change their minds like this?
Weapons inspectors have said Iran has complied with everything.
Their nuclear industry is under 24/7 surveillance even remotely by camera.
Europe and even the U.K so far have not joined him.
Looks like a huge split with Germany and America being a possibility.




From this point on I will no longer engage in chat with you jack as you're really not worth it. You carry on ranting and seeking attention. You won't be getting mine any more.

You're a special kind of dick.
This is happening right now.
This is what news commentators across the world are saying.
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Re: War talk over Iran.

Postby Si_Crewe » Wed May 09, 2018 1:33 am

I read that Israel sent Mossad into Tehran to steal a crate full of documents and computer files relating to Iran's Arak nuclear weapons facility - which we've already known about since 2005 - and are using this as justification for suspending the nuclear agreement with Iran.

I was under the impression that conducting military operations within the borders of another sovereign nation is usually seen as an act of war and that it's probably not very cool of Israel to do stuff like that.

Course, it's probably not wise to be too critical of Israel for doing that stuff for fear of being branded as "antisemitic", right? :shake head:
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Re: War talk over Iran.

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Wed May 09, 2018 1:53 am

A renewed diplomatic push produced the JCPOA, under which the IAEA is charged with regular inspections of declared facilities in Iran such as uranium mines and centrifuge workshops for up to 25 years.The deal also included an "Additional Protocol", which allows inspectors "to conduct complementary access to any location in Iran".
- How do IAEA inspections work? -
The IAEA insists the inspection regime put in place by the JCPOA is the world's toughest.

In March the IAEA's Director General Yukiya Amano said: "Our inspection work has doubled since 2013. IAEA inspectors now spend 3,000 calendar days per year on the ground in Iran".He also pointed to the some 2,000 tamper-proof seals attached to nuclear material and equipment and to the "hundreds of thousands of images captured daily by our sophisticated surveillance cameras", the number of which has almost doubled since 2013.The IAEA has issued numerous quarterly reports certifying Iran's compliance with the deal, most recently in February.Amano has called the JCPOA "a significant gain for verification" and said its failure "would be a great loss for nuclear verification and for multilateralism".

The deal has come under fire particularly from Iran's regional arch-foe Israel, especially over how it addressed the vexed question of the so-called historic PMD (Possible Military Dimension) of Iran's nuclear program.In 2015 the IAEA's 35-nation board of governors voted to close a 12-year probe into the PMD issue after the Agency concluded that "a range of activities relevant to the development" of a nuclear bomb took place in Iran until 2009 but that there were no credible indications they had continued after that date.Israel criticized the resolution, with Energy Minister Yuval Steinitz telling local media that the IAEA board's decision was "political and not practical, and... sends a wrong message to the Iranians, that the international community is willing to look the other way".Since the election of US President and fervent JCPOA critic Donald Trump, the IAEA's task of navigating the increasingly heated debate around the deal, while retaining its scrupulously apolitical stance, has only grown more complex.In August 2017 US envoy to the UN Nikki Haley urged the IAEA to widen its inspections, including to military sites.Iran's nuclear chief Ali Akbar Salehi responded by saying Iran was "confident that the (IAEA) will resist such unacceptable demands and continue to execute the agency's... role with strict objectivity"
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/internat ... clear-deal


Remember the weapons inspectors in Iraq being sidelined ignored?
It looks like it's happening again.
Same old bullshit about WMD.
Same old bullshit about Iran being a destabilizing agent in the middle east while America are there destroying nations killing leaders and Saudi armed by the UK get on with their genocide in Yemen.
You couldn't make this stuff up .....
Again millions will believe the official bullshit.
At some point people are going to realise the world is fukin drowning in the stuff.
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Re: War talk over Iran.

Postby Maddog » Wed May 09, 2018 2:14 am

Thankfully my FEMA Camp has a fall out shelter. :thumbsup:
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Re: War talk over Iran.

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Wed May 09, 2018 2:15 am

Maddog wrote:Thankfully my FEMA Camp has a fall out shelter. :thumbsup:

WTF are you on about now?
Are you saying ths shit isn't going on?
Are you saying Lord Trump hasn't just walked out on a deal the rest of the world want to stick by?
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Re: War talk over Iran.

Postby Guest » Wed May 09, 2018 4:10 am

Rolluplostinspace wrote:
Guest wrote:Iran, obama and all those involved in the deal were warned from the beginning by members of the US Senate that obama did not have the authority to enter a treaty on his own and therefore the deal was not a treaty and was subject to exactly what has happened today. It was never ratified by the US Senate. How convenient to ignore that fact now.

Did anyone tell the British French Germans Russians and Iranians that?



Yes, they did. It was an open letter to tehran that was posted in and commented about in the media the world over (including here) and then widely ignored. All parties to the negotiations were fully aware obama was circumventing the senate and what the ramifications of that were.
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Re: War talk over Iran.

Postby ATXn;D » Wed May 09, 2018 4:54 am

Rolluplostinspace wrote:
Guest wrote:Iran, obama and all those involved in the deal were warned from the beginning by members of the US Senate that obama did not have the authority to enter a treaty on his own and therefore the deal was not a treaty and was subject to exactly what has happened today. It was never ratified by the US Senate. How convenient to ignore that fact now.

Did anyone tell the British French Germans Russians and Iranians that?





Letter From Senate Republicans to the Leaders of Iran

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... .html?_r=1



Whether the Republican letter might undercut Iran’s willingness to strike a deal was not clear. Iran reacted with scorn. “In our view, this letter has no legal value and is mostly a propaganda ploy,” Mohammad Javad Zarif, Iran’s foreign minister, said in a statement. “It is very interesting that while negotiations are still in progress and while no agreement has been reached, some political pressure groups are so afraid even of the prospect of an agreement that they resort to unconventional methods, unprecedented in diplomatic history.”



Mr. Cotton said he drafted the letter because Iran’s leaders might not understand America’s constitutional system. He also said the terms of the emerging deal were dangerous because they would not be permanent and would leave Iran with nuclear infrastructure. He noted that four Republican senators who may run for president signed his letter and added that he tried without success to get Democrats to sign.

“The only thing unprecedented is an American president negotiating a nuclear deal with the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism without submitting it to Congress,” he said on CNN.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/10/w ... aders.html



They knew :roll:
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Re: War talk over Iran.

Postby Maddog » Wed May 09, 2018 5:48 am

Rolluplostinspace wrote:
Maddog wrote:Thankfully my FEMA Camp has a fall out shelter. :thumbsup:

WTF are you on about now?
Are you saying ths shit isn't going on?
Are you saying Lord Trump hasn't just walked out on a deal the rest of the world want to stick by?



I guess the rest of the world can abide by whatever deal they struck with Iran.

It will be OK Jack. The Iranian people are tired of sanctions and tired of spending money fighting in Syria and Yemen. The Iranians will bluster and back down.

Or they will nuke Israel. Either way you will be happy. :ooer:
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Re: War talk over Iran.

Postby art0hur0moh » Wed May 09, 2018 6:12 am

Rolluplostinspace wrote:Here we go.
The bullshit has started regarding the inevitable war that's been planned for years against Iran.
The propaganda has started.
All the same old bullshit of WMD.

IAEA Certifies Iran’s Compliance with Nuclear Deal...... Iran hasn’t pursued construction of its Arak heavy water research reactor. It hasn’t produced or tested natural uranium pellets, fuel pins or assemblies designed for the reactor.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/iaea-cert ... al/5606918


I'm sure lots of people will believe the same old lies all over again.


reports only 7 months old. Interesting how U.S. terrorists in Washington and their affiliates Dhesh and Zionist are the only ones who have used chemical and radio active munitions against civil populations.

Thought the UK and U.S. acquired new territory in Syria? I guess their allies are defeated! And now it seems reasonable to assume they will claim the coalition resolved the conflict! And have opportunity to introduce an AIF zone.

Sick of these two regimes of despotic tyranical dictators.
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Re: War talk over Iran.

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Wed May 09, 2018 12:47 pm

Maddog wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:
Maddog wrote:Thankfully my FEMA Camp has a fall out shelter. :thumbsup:

WTF are you on about now?
Are you saying ths shit isn't going on?
Are you saying Lord Trump hasn't just walked out on a deal the rest of the world want to stick by?



I guess the rest of the world can abide by whatever deal they struck with Iran.

It will be OK Jack. The Iranian people are tired of sanctions and tired of spending money fighting in Syria and Yemen. The Iranians will bluster and back down.

Or they will nuke Israel. Either way you will be happy. :ooer:

It's not me I'm worried about.
More war in the middle east started by you fucking lot is what I'm worried about.
More women and children innocent people slaughtered by America for their agenda.
America is a terrorist state simple as that.
You don't give a shit which shows in yur response.
It's the American way I suppose.

Boris Johnson is speaking against the Americans and with the Russians and Iranians.
Very strange.
Will he be able to backtrack?
Europe are going one way America the opposite.
Will this wreck any chances of peaceful resolve to the North Korea crisis?
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Re: War talk over Iran.

Postby Trapper John » Wed May 09, 2018 1:00 pm

Relax Jack, this ain't no cuban missile crisis. If it all kicks off then perhaps it's for the best, maybe we've been around too long and the Earth just wants to get back to normal.
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Re: War talk over Iran.

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Wed May 09, 2018 1:03 pm

Trapper John wrote:Relax Jack, this ain't no cuban missile crisis. If it all kicks off then perhaps it's for the best, maybe we've been around too long and the Earth just wants to get back to normal.

Relax?
We seem to be living in a time when few care or understand have any empathy for the innocent people in this world.
Hitler only invaded Poland his ghast would be flabbered if he could see his modern counterparts.
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