IS BREXIT NOW DEAD IN THE WATER ?

IS BREXIT NOW DEAD IN THE WATER ?

Postby Cannydc » Wed May 09, 2018 8:37 am

MPs will have a vote on remaining in the European Economic Area – effectively a vote on the single market – after a shock defeat for the government in the Lords.

It means the Brexit strategy of both Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn has been blown apart in the last 24 hours.

The rebel Labour amendment in the Lords opened the prospect of a Commons vote on the EEA – a less stringent version of the single market – after 83 Labour peers voted against the party whip.

Chuka Umunna, the Labour MP who co-chairs a pro-European Commons committee with Conservative Anna Soubry, said the leadership would now have to come off the fence and make it clear where it stood.

“The time for constructive ambiguity is over: our members and our voters will be delighted with this clear signal that we will not go along with this Tory Brexit,” he said.


Time for Corbyn to put clear water between Labour and Tories. Time to put the economic well being of the UK above the dogma and in-fighting. Show some backbone, some leadership. Blow this false nonsense about 'the will of the people' out of the water - it was never the will of 48% to leave at all, with many of the 52% believing Leave promises that we weren't even considering leaving the Customs Union. Many more will have swallowed the guff about the wonderful, easy to agree trade deals just waiting for us out there.

Then there are the leavers who have no desire to see violence return in Northern Ireland, with the re-imposition of a hard border.

Warnings that all of these were pie in the sky were dismissed as 'Project Fear'. But they were real. They are real. Companies will walk, jobs will go.

Time to set the Labour party firmly on course to defy the advisory referendum result. Time to kill Brexit, before it kills the UK economy.

We can see the likely reaction. The Tories are now likely to try to brand Labour as the party of free movement, which is one of the obligations of EEA membership. The threat of higher EU migration is likely to alarm Labour voters in some parts of the country. But actually, we have ALWAYS had the means to restrict EU migration, via job offer qualification. It can be managed.

It's a risky strategy. It goes against what Corbyn always wanted - us leaving the EU. But real statesmen make the biggest decisions. Time to step up.
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Re: IS BREXIT NOW DEAD IN THE WATER ?

Postby Snookerballs » Wed May 09, 2018 11:13 am

Another forgotten problem looming in the Background concernining Brexit is Gibraltar.

This could be more of a problem than Northern Ireland, Spain wants total control over Gibraltar Airport , which means we will lose total sovereignty of the Island, is it going to be worth it ???
"Brexit whats it all about ?"

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/gibraltar-brexit-northern-ireland-border-spain-theresa-may-a8234516.html
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Re: IS BREXIT NOW DEAD IN THE WATER ?

Postby Snookerballs » Wed May 09, 2018 12:51 pm

Will this Government really hand over Gibraltar " Offshore Tax Haven " to Spain ???

How will we run our "on line" Casino, Lottery, and gaming ??

And then there is the security angle for our Naval Forces
" Brexit Whats it all about"
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Postby Grafenwalder » Wed May 09, 2018 10:10 pm

Snookerballs wrote:Another forgotten problem looming in the Background concernining Brexit is Gibraltar.

This could be more of a problem than Northern Ireland, Spain wants total control over Gibraltar Airport , which means we will lose total sovereignty of the Island, is it going to be worth it ???
"Brexit whats it all about ?"

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/gibraltar-brexit-northern-ireland-border-spain-theresa-may-a8234516.html

They've tried to forget from the beginning but like Ireland, it won't go away. Worth remembering it was one of the first to declare with a 95.91% Remain vote after one of the highest turnouts. So May had better come up with something damn good but given her track record over Windrush i don't hold much hope for Gibraltarians. I don't think Gibraltar ever got mentioned during the campaigning. Nobody fully knew or understood exactly what they were voting for, it was all based on feeding the xenophobes rubbish they wanted to hear about immigration, a £350m a week lie, and "taking our country back".

It's been a very expensive lesson in how to be very silly and the children have had their 'fun'. Article 50 is reversible so a stop should be put to all the nonsense now and we should get back to rebuilding a prospective future with our EU partners.
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Re: IS BREXIT NOW DEAD IN THE WATER ?

Postby Cannydc » Thu May 10, 2018 7:47 am

Grafenwalder wrote:
Snookerballs wrote:Another forgotten problem looming in the Background concernining Brexit is Gibraltar.

This could be more of a problem than Northern Ireland, Spain wants total control over Gibraltar Airport , which means we will lose total sovereignty of the Island, is it going to be worth it ???
"Brexit whats it all about ?"

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/gibraltar-brexit-northern-ireland-border-spain-theresa-may-a8234516.html

They've tried to forget from the beginning but like Ireland, it won't go away. Worth remembering it was one of the first to declare with a 95.91% Remain vote after one of the highest turnouts. So May had better come up with something damn good but given her track record over Windrush i don't hold much hope for Gibraltarians. I don't think Gibraltar ever got mentioned during the campaigning. Nobody fully knew or understood exactly what they were voting for, it was all based on feeding the xenophobes rubbish they wanted to hear about immigration, a £350m a week lie, and "taking our country back".

It's been a very expensive lesson in how to be very silly and the children have had their 'fun'. Article 50 is reversible so a stop should be put to all the nonsense now and we should get back to rebuilding a prospective future with our EU partners.


Gibraltar was certainly mentioned, but along with N. Ireland, the car industry, a slump in the GBP, etc, etc, it was buried under the heading Project Fear.
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Postby Cannydc » Thu May 10, 2018 8:01 am

The row over Jeremy Corbyn’s approach to Brexit has exploded after five MPs from the party’s northern heartlands broke ranks and openly demanded a new referendum on the UK’s withdrawal deal.

The MPs from the Northeast – which heavily backed Leave in the 2016 referendum – said a new vote is essential because the true nature of Brexit is only just emerging.

They warn plans to leave the single market will devastate family living standards as the future of major manufacturers and employers in their region is thrown into doubt.

With most projections showing the UK worse off outside the EU’s existing structures, the five northeast MPs have decided to publicly contradict their leader’s position and call for a “people’s vote” on the eventual deal.

The MPs in particular highlight how firms like Nissan in Sunderland, Hitachi in County Durham and in the chemicals industry on Teesside, providing thousands of jobs, see their future within the EU customs union and single market.


Fancy that - The Sunderland Massive being given a dose of reality by their own MPs.

Step up, Jeremy Corbyn. Time to shelve your hopes of re-nationalisation for now (can't happen in the Customs Union) and prioritise jobs and the UK economy by coming out in favour of a referendum on the deal that we are obviously not going to get...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 43746.html
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Postby Guest » Thu May 10, 2018 8:22 am

Cannydc wrote:The row over Jeremy Corbyn’s approach to Brexit has exploded after five MPs from the party’s northern heartlands broke ranks and openly demanded a new referendum on the UK’s withdrawal deal.

The MPs from the Northeast – which heavily backed Leave in the 2016 referendum – said a new vote is essential because the true nature of Brexit is only just emerging.

They warn plans to leave the single market will devastate family living standards as the future of major manufacturers and employers in their region is thrown into doubt.

With most projections showing the UK worse off outside the EU’s existing structures, the five northeast MPs have decided to publicly contradict their leader’s position and call for a “people’s vote” on the eventual deal.

The MPs in particular highlight how firms like Nissan in Sunderland, Hitachi in County Durham and in the chemicals industry on Teesside, providing thousands of jobs, see their future within the EU customs union and single market.


Fancy that - The Sunderland Massive being given a dose of reality by their own MPs.

Step up, Jeremy Corbyn. Time to shelve your hopes of re-nationalisation for now (can't happen in the Customs Union) and prioritise jobs and the UK economy by coming out in favour of a referendum on the deal that we are obviously not going to get...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 43746.html


Re-nationalisation can happen but not 100% re-nationalisation. For example, if they nationalised the railways but left Northern Rail as private the EU would accept that.
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Postby Cannydc » Thu May 10, 2018 3:58 pm

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Cannydc wrote:The row over Jeremy Corbyn’s approach to Brexit has exploded after five MPs from the party’s northern heartlands broke ranks and openly demanded a new referendum on the UK’s withdrawal deal.

The MPs from the Northeast – which heavily backed Leave in the 2016 referendum – said a new vote is essential because the true nature of Brexit is only just emerging.

They warn plans to leave the single market will devastate family living standards as the future of major manufacturers and employers in their region is thrown into doubt.

With most projections showing the UK worse off outside the EU’s existing structures, the five northeast MPs have decided to publicly contradict their leader’s position and call for a “people’s vote” on the eventual deal.

The MPs in particular highlight how firms like Nissan in Sunderland, Hitachi in County Durham and in the chemicals industry on Teesside, providing thousands of jobs, see their future within the EU customs union and single market.


Fancy that - The Sunderland Massive being given a dose of reality by their own MPs.

Step up, Jeremy Corbyn. Time to shelve your hopes of re-nationalisation for now (can't happen in the Customs Union) and prioritise jobs and the UK economy by coming out in favour of a referendum on the deal that we are obviously not going to get...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 43746.html


Re-nationalisation can happen but not 100% re-nationalisation. For example, if they nationalised the railways but left Northern Rail as private the EU would accept that.


Now isn't that interesting.

Perhaps they could just leave the Carlisle - Settle line in private hands. No-one would care.
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Postby Guest » Thu May 10, 2018 6:10 pm

Same applies for utilities, all could be privatised and leave Southern Water, Electric and Gas aziz. :gigglesnshit:
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Postby Snookerballs » Sat May 12, 2018 5:54 pm

EU Revenge !!!

Will all the EU countries to night, vote us as a number one winner in this years Eurovision contest,
Then next year we will have to host the contest at the cost of several millon pounds, then they will be able to give us a " Nul Vote " a "Blanc Vote"

That will teach us to threaten to leave the EU !!! :kinell:
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Postby Stooo » Sat May 12, 2018 6:02 pm

Snookerballs wrote:Another forgotten problem looming in the Background concernining Brexit is Gibraltar.

This could be more of a problem than Northern Ireland, Spain wants total control over Gibraltar Airport , which means we will lose total sovereignty of the Island, is it going to be worth it ???
"Brexit whats it all about ?"

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/gibraltar-brexit-northern-ireland-border-spain-theresa-may-a8234516.html


Let alone the Falklands

The Falkland Islands’ government has sounded the alarm over leaving the EU single market, warning that the territory would take a “catastrophic” economic hit if it faces new tariffs and quotas as a result of Brexit.

The Independent understands that representatives of the islands’ fishing industry and government have been lobbying British politicians over the dangers of losing seamless access to the EU – where the vast majority of the territory’s exports go.
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Postby Grafenwalder » Sat May 12, 2018 10:46 pm

Cannydc wrote:
Grafenwalder wrote:
Snookerballs wrote:Another forgotten problem looming in the Background concernining Brexit is Gibraltar.

This could be more of a problem than Northern Ireland, Spain wants total control over Gibraltar Airport , which means we will lose total sovereignty of the Island, is it going to be worth it ???
"Brexit whats it all about ?"

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/gibraltar-brexit-northern-ireland-border-spain-theresa-may-a8234516.html

They've tried to forget from the beginning but like Ireland, it won't go away. Worth remembering it was one of the first to declare with a 95.91% Remain vote after one of the highest turnouts. So May had better come up with something damn good but given her track record over Windrush i don't hold much hope for Gibraltarians. I don't think Gibraltar ever got mentioned during the campaigning. Nobody fully knew or understood exactly what they were voting for, it was all based on feeding the xenophobes rubbish they wanted to hear about immigration, a £350m a week lie, and "taking our country back".

It's been a very expensive lesson in how to be very silly and the children have had their 'fun'. Article 50 is reversible so a stop should be put to all the nonsense now and we should get back to rebuilding a prospective future with our EU partners.


Gibraltar was certainly mentioned, but along with N. Ireland, the car industry, a slump in the GBP, etc, etc, it was buried under the heading Project Fear.

Talking of car industry Channel 4 news did a good report last year on the Ford plant in Germany turning out 1,400 cars every single day. UK builds the engines for them.

https://www.channel4.com/news/hard-brex ... r-industry
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Postby Cannydc » Sun May 13, 2018 11:00 am

Over 600 days since the advisory referendum, and Treeza has actually done something.

Yes, she has divided an already fatally split cabinet into 2 'teams' to discuss Brexit with one question to answer..... "HOW CAN THIS WORK ?"

Seriously. 600+ days for that.

The Tories stagger on from bad to worse. But the oddest thing is the complete failure of the UK public to realise where this is going. The polls seem to tell us that they are happy with her handling of this shambolic negotiation process. I must admit, this is quietly pleasing, as the longer it goes on, the further she and her idiotic cabinet have to fall. And fall they will, as there is no real solution to many of the problems mentioned above.

It looks like there will be an extension of at least 6 months to the whole process.

The Sunderland Massive's MPs have spoken out. Boris has spoken out. According to today's news, a dozen cabinet ministers have spoken of their intent to block a customs union solution. And the people still seem to believe in the unicorn rainbow fantasy Brexit promised.

But at the end of all this, there must be a deal of some sort. And that is the point at which the public must decide, based on accurate information, whether the deal is acceptable or not. If it is, then we accept it and move on. We leave the EU, and the campaign to rejoin begins the next day. It took 40 years of bitter moaning for the Leavers to get us out, we would hope for it to take the simplicity of a new government to get us back in.

Winning a battle is nice. Winning a war is everything.
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Postby MungoBrush » Sun May 13, 2018 11:49 am

Guest wrote:Same applies for utilities, all could be privatised and leave Southern Water, Electric and Gas aziz. :gigglesnshit:


Hooray!

While you are at it, lets resurrect British Road Services
And the National Coal Board
And BEA
And the egg marketing board
And British Rail
And British Steel
and British Leyland

etc etc

And hundreds of other massive loss making enterprises that cost the taxpayers billions to bail out year after year.
Billions that could have been spent on the NHS for example.
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Postby Guest » Sun May 13, 2018 12:21 pm

MungoBrush wrote:
Guest wrote:Same applies for utilities, all could be privatised and leave Southern Water, Electric and Gas aziz. :gigglesnshit:


Hooray!

While you are at it, lets resurrect British Road Services
And the National Coal Board
And BEA
And the egg marketing board
And British Rail
And British Steel
and British Leyland

etc etc

And hundreds of other massive loss making enterprises that cost the taxpayers billions to bail out year after year.
Billions that could have been spent on the NHS for example.


A Tory trots out the old loss making myth. :pointlaugh:
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