Illegal immigrants claimed to be in Grenfell fire

Re: Illegal immigrants claimed to be in Grenfell fire

Postby malamute » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:19 pm

Lady Murasaki wrote:Of course but one has more sympathy for the people who lost loved ones in the fire.


Which brings us nicely back round to the title of the thread about illegal immigrants who claimed to be in the Grenfell fire. I see about another half dozen people were named yesterday who also put in false and fraudulent claims. Scumbags all of them and yes we should have huge sympathy for the GENUINE people who either died or were affected by the fire.
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Re: Illegal immigrants claimed to be in Grenfell fire

Postby Lady Murasaki » Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:43 am

malamute wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:Of course but one has more sympathy for the people who lost loved ones in the fire.


Which brings us nicely back round to the title of the thread about illegal immigrants who claimed to be in the Grenfell fire. I see about another half dozen people were named yesterday who also put in false and fraudulent claims. Scumbags all of them and yes we should have huge sympathy for the GENUINE people who either died or were affected by the fire.


I’d rather focus on them than the ‘scumbags.’
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Re: Illegal immigrants claimed to be in Grenfell fire

Postby Cannydc » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:47 am

There seems to be a scumbag for every occasion.

One can recall from recent memory the man who stole another person's number in the London Marathon, and got his medal, the scumbags who rob the elderly in the street or in their homes, the scumbags who treat people they are caring for like dirt, scumbags who steal charity boxes, scumbags who cheat people of their life savings, in fact just too many scumbags to list.

There's no doubt that this country is losing its' moral compass.

And sadly, it ain't never coming back.
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Re: Illegal immigrants claimed to be in Grenfell fire

Postby Lady Murasaki » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:51 am

I still think the good outweigh the bad though. Look at how many members of the public, from all walks of life, helped during the Grenfell tragedy.
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Re: Illegal immigrants claimed to be in Grenfell fire

Postby Cannydc » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:58 am

Lady Murasaki wrote:I still think the good outweigh the bad though. Look at how many members of the public, from all walks of life, helped during the Grenfell tragedy.


Of course they do.

There are literally millions with genuine good hearts and a will to help the unfortunate in the UK.

Sadly, they rarely get the headlines. Notoriety sells papers.
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Re: Illegal immigrants claimed to be in Grenfell fire

Postby Lady Murasaki » Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:03 am

Cannydc wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:I still think the good outweigh the bad though. Look at how many members of the public, from all walks of life, helped during the Grenfell tragedy.


Of course they do.

There are literally millions with genuine good hearts and a will to help the unfortunate in the UK.

Sadly, they rarely get the headlines. Notoriety sells papers.


And starts topics on forums. :wink:
That’s why I don’t think focussing on the ‘scumbags’ helps in this tragedy, takes away the attention from who really suffered.
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Re: Illegal immigrants claimed to be in Grenfell fire

Postby banana chewits » Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:07 pm

there is a documentary on bbc1 at 8.30 tonight, covering what has happened in the first year following the fire.
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Re: Illegal immigrants claimed to be in Grenfell fire

Postby MungoBrush » Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:13 pm

Cannydc wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:I still think the good outweigh the bad though. Look at how many members of the public, from all walks of life, helped during the Grenfell tragedy.


Of course they do.

There are literally millions with genuine good hearts and a will to help the unfortunate in the UK.

Sadly, they rarely get the headlines. Notoriety sells papers.


Yes, it's called the "big society"
People who help out in charity shops
People who collect unwanted food from supermarkets and take it to places where meals are cooked for the homeless
People who volunteer at men's sheds etc etc

All done in silence, with no fuss and no financial reward.
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Re: Illegal immigrants claimed to be in Grenfell fire

Postby Guest » Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:40 pm

MungoBrush wrote:
Cannydc wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:I still think the good outweigh the bad though. Look at how many members of the public, from all walks of life, helped during the Grenfell tragedy.


Of course they do.

There are literally millions with genuine good hearts and a will to help the unfortunate in the UK.

Sadly, they rarely get the headlines. Notoriety sells papers.


Yes, it's called the "big society"
People who help out in charity shops
People who collect unwanted food from supermarkets and take it to places where meals are cooked for the homeless
People who volunteer at men's sheds etc etc

All done in silence, with no fuss and no financial reward.


You call them lefty do gooders on DS :pointlaugh:
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Re: Illegal immigrants claimed to be in Grenfell fire

Postby Fletch » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:30 pm

MungoBrush wrote:
Cannydc wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:I still think the good outweigh the bad though. Look at how many members of the public, from all walks of life, helped during the Grenfell tragedy.


Of course they do.

There are literally millions with genuine good hearts and a will to help the unfortunate in the UK.

Sadly, they rarely get the headlines. Notoriety sells papers.


Yes, it's called the "big society"
People who help out in charity shops
People who collect unwanted food from supermarkets and take it to places where meals are cooked for the homeless
People who volunteer at men's sheds etc etc

All done in silence, with no fuss and no financial reward.


:mrgreen:

You're a bit out of date mungo, you know Cameron isn't PM anymore, right? :ooer:
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Re: Illegal immigrants claimed to be in Grenfell fire

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Re: Illegal immigrants claimed to be in Grenfell fire

Postby Cannydc » Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:46 am

A few more damning facts have arisen at the enquiry

Combustible materials were added to the cladding of Grenfell Tower that were not in the design, the public inquiry has heard, while features to stop fire spreading through the facade were missing or installed upside down.

Dr Barbara Lane, a director at the Arup consultancy appointed as a technical expert by the inquiry, made the discoveries during five days investigating the cladding system at the burned-out building.

The decision to use combustible materials to wrap the 24-storey tower has been widely blamed for spreading the fire that claimed 72 lives. Closer inspection has shown the full extent of the flammable materials that were used.

Lane told the inquiry that styrofoam core panels were installed between the new windows and around kitchen vents; ethylene propylene diene terpolymer was used around the new window frames; and polyurethane expanding foam was used to fill joints in the insulation and in gaps between new windows and walls – all combustible materials.

She also found combustible polymeric foam above some windows, even though there was no evidence of it being specified, and polyisocyanurate foam that was not in the design.

She spelled out how the ”stay put” strategy failed just 32 minutes after the first 999 call was made.

She said the strategy did not “consider relevant” the possibility of a multi-storey building fire or one that penetrated multiple flats, despite the fact that more than 100 fire doors inside Grenfell did not meet fire regulations.

In a submission that will support the fire brigade’s position that it was not responsible for the failings of the “stay put” policy, Lane stressed it was “a design condition and … not a fire brigade policy”.


And the fire doors had not been replaced for over 40 years, and would not pass today's safety standards.
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