Illegal immigrants claimed to be in Grenfell fire

Re: Illegal immigrants claimed to be in Grenfell fire

Postby Cannydc » Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:13 pm

"And reckless people using faulty appliances."

You actually seem to think that people, the flat tenant in particular, deliberately put his own and other's lives at risk ?? Really ??

That really is a gutter press effort, and no mistake.
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Re: Illegal immigrants claimed to be in Grenfell fire

Postby Snookerballs » Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:27 am

It has now been ascertained at the Inquiry that the Hotpoint Fridge/Freezer involved was purchased a few years previous as Brand New .
The tenant of the flat where the fire started has been cleared of any wrong doing, he did not walk out with a suitcase as some of the news media suggested, he called the fire brigade and then left the flat and stayed in the Carpark evacuation area for his safety.
He is now under witness protection due to harrassment by the press
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Re: Illegal immigrants claimed to be in Grenfell fire

Postby Guest » Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:42 am

Snookerballs wrote:It has now been ascertained at the Inquiry that the Hotpoint Fridge/Freezer involved was purchased a few years previous as Brand New .
The tenant of the flat where the fire started has been cleared of any wrong doing, he did not walk out with a suitcase as some of the news media suggested, he called the fire brigade and then left the flat and stayed in the Carpark evacuation area for his safety.
He is now under witness protection due to harrassment by the press


The Scum and Heil should hang their heads in collective shame
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Re: Illegal immigrants claimed to be in Grenfell fire

Postby Cannydc » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:41 pm

The man who lived in the flat in which the Grenfell Tower fire started did "the right thing from start to finish", a public inquiry has heard.

Lawyer Rajiv Menon said his client, Behailu Kebede, called 999 and alerted his flatmates and fourth-floor neighbours as soon as he saw smoke.

Barefoot and clutching his phone, he then left the building and watched in horror as the fire spread up the tower.

Mr Menon said the fire was accidental and Mr Kebede bore no responsibility.


Truth will out then, once untarnished by the dreadful, spiteful lies published in certain rags.
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Re: Illegal immigrants claimed to be in Grenfell fire

Postby Snookerballs » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:01 pm

The Inquiry now needs to clear the Emergency Telephone operators instead of blaming them for their procedure, they were working blind unaware of the situation,

Standard advice is that if it is not safe to exit the building go into one room shut the door open a window, block any gaps to stop smoke getting into the room, and await for help.

Do not go out into Toxic Smoke Filled Hallways , Corridors or stairways it is very easy to get dis orientated .

The Inquiry is trying to place a lot of the blame on the Fire Service, despite the fact that over the last few years 13 Fire Stations in London have closed down , crews of Fire Engines have been reduced to four firefighters instead of five ( A disaster waiting to happen and it has )
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Re: Illegal immigrants claimed to be in Grenfell fire

Postby Cannydc » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:15 pm

Snookerballs wrote:The Inquiry now needs to clear the Emergency Telephone operators instead of blaming them for their procedure, they were working blind unaware of the situation,

Standard advice is that if it is not safe to exit the building go into one room shut the door open a window, block any gaps to stop smoke getting into the room, and await for help.

Do not go out into Toxic Smoke Filled Hallways , Corridors or stairways it is very easy to get dis orientated .

The Inquiry is trying to place a lot of the blame on the Fire Service, despite the fact that over the last few years 13 Fire Stations in London have closed down , crews of Fire Engines have been reduced to four firefighters instead of five ( A disaster waiting to happen and it has )


I think you are mistaken.

The enquiry is not "trying to blame" anyone. It is there to establish the facts and publish findings.

It will take closure of fire stations and all other factors into account in order to reach those conclusions.
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Re: Illegal immigrants claimed to be in Grenfell fire

Postby Snookerballs » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:44 pm

It is how the News media is reporting the Inquiry and proportioning the blame, it undermines the advice given thus creating a further hazard to life to the public.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6417293/grenfell-tower-report-london-fire-brigade-blair-cladding/
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Re: Illegal immigrants claimed to be in Grenfell fire

Postby Cannydc » Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:07 pm

Snookerballs wrote:It is how the News media is reporting the Inquiry and proportioning the blame, it undermines the advice given thus creating a further hazard to life to the public.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6417293/grenfell-tower-report-london-fire-brigade-blair-cladding/


I can't really expect any better from rags desperate to sell their tawdry version of 'the facts' which they spin and sensationalise just to sell more copies.

It could be said that there is a case to be made for reporting restrictions to be imposed, if only to stop people being misled. In other words, if they can't even report stuff like this accurately and impassionately, they shouldn't be allowed to report it at all.
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Re: Illegal immigrants claimed to be in Grenfell fire

Postby Lady Murasaki » Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:57 pm

It’s so obvious the problem was the cheap cladding. As well as other fire safety regs being flouted.
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Re: Illegal immigrants claimed to be in Grenfell fire

Postby Snookerballs » Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:08 pm

Lady Murasaki wrote:It’s so obvious the problem was the cheap cladding. As well as other fire safety regs being flouted.


That type of cladding was banned for interior use, so what did the contractors do == Stuck it on the outside of the building
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Re: Illegal immigrants claimed to be in Grenfell fire

Postby Lady Murasaki » Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:12 pm

Snookerballs wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:It’s so obvious the problem was the cheap cladding. As well as other fire safety regs being flouted.


That type of cladding was banned for interior use, so what did the contractors do == Stuck it on the outside of the building


Do you think they’ll make someone accountable for this or will it be ‘lessons learnt‘?
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Re: Illegal immigrants claimed to be in Grenfell fire

Postby Cannydc » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:34 pm

Lady Murasaki wrote:It’s so obvious the problem was the cheap cladding. As well as other fire safety regs being flouted.


How about the failure of the fire service to evacuate the building ?

The fire doors that only lasted half the advertised time when tested ?

It will all be in the report.
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Re: Illegal immigrants claimed to be in Grenfell fire

Postby Lady Murasaki » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:01 pm

Cannydc wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:It’s so obvious the problem was the cheap cladding. As well as other fire safety regs being flouted.


How about the failure of the fire service to evacuate the building ?

The fire doors that only lasted half the advertised time when tested ?

It will all be in the report.


From what they were saying yesterday, seems they’ll find they gave the best advice at the time. To stay put unless the fire is in your flat or if the corridors are filled with smoke/fire.
The fire service seem to have standard advice for tower blocks. I expect they’ll say no one expected the cladding to become ablaze the way it did.
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Re: Illegal immigrants claimed to be in Grenfell fire

Postby Snookerballs » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:18 pm

Cannydc wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:It’s so obvious the problem was the cheap cladding. As well as other fire safety regs being flouted.


How about the failure of the fire service to evacuate the building ?

The fire doors that only lasted half the advertised time when tested ?

It will all be in the report.


The Police will have to prove that there was a safe alternative for evacuation in this particular Incident ,

One has to have sympathy with Dany Cotton the Chief Fire Officer she had been in the position less than six months to be submitted to an Incident like Grenfell Towers which is a type of Incident that possibly happens once in a career lifetime, IMO there is no way her as Chief Fire Officer and London Fire Brigade can be held responsible for the " Stay Put " Policy
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Re: Illegal immigrants claimed to be in Grenfell fire

Postby Lady Murasaki » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:19 am

Of course but one has more sympathy for the people who lost loved ones in the fire.
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